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Ogilthorpe2
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 37,000 FT
Joined: 07.09.2009

Apr 10 @ 10:38 AM ET
One more time.
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Apr 10 @ 10:38 AM ET
I'm sold on Turcotte. check out this scouting report. With a high end motor that does not quit ..... what would playing for your hometown team do to that motor ?











https://lastwordonhockey....turcotte-scouting-report/

- chuckdahammer


He is he is committed to Wisconsin, he may not be available for 3 or 4 years then you have to sweat out the free agency factor when he's ready to turn pro. Do the Hawks need someone closer to being NHL ready?
MjulQvist
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 04.22.2012

Apr 10 @ 10:40 AM ET
I would like to know from someone who has seen Cozens play about his hockey IQ? Some say that is a concern about him. Is he more suited as winger than center in NHL?
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Apr 10 @ 10:41 AM ET
PLEASE please read what I said about him b/c the elite 4 - direction feet may be hiding his lack of enough instinctive hockey sense in his end.

If you are talking someone take him top three, I also hope it is others like Rangers...

- wiz1901

So you think Byram is ready to step onto an NHL roster next season?
jhawk159
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Wheaton, IL
Joined: 10.13.2009

Apr 10 @ 10:41 AM ET
Because he’s Russian, already signed to a KHL contract and doesn’t appear to be in any hurry to come to North America.
- Ogilthorpe2


I agree. They can’t afford to draft this guy and then he stays in Russia no matter how good he is. The Hawks have been handed a gift here. They have to hit on this pick.
biskit67
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 07.27.2015

Apr 10 @ 10:47 AM ET
Stan has so many options now. Although, I think you need to help the team next season if possible. Cozens sounds like a great pick. Trade away AA if you can. Or, draft a big dman, and trade away one of the small puck moving prospects in a package for top 6. Or, trade the pick in a package, move down a few picks and get an NHL player to help next season.

Personally, I'll go with the guy to skate with DBC and Strome into the next decade if that is Cozens.

Way too excited about the offseason.
arps714
Joined: 06.21.2012

Apr 10 @ 10:47 AM ET
I would take Byram. He's a different style of defenseman that this team lacks on its current roster and in the pipeline. He could even play next year on the bottom pairing and actually contribute.
67hawks
Joined: 08.30.2012

Apr 10 @ 10:48 AM ET
I agree. They can’t afford to draft this guy and then he stays in Russia no matter how good he is. The Hawks have been handed a gift here. They have to hit on this pick.
- jhawk159


Looking at this Russian's career stats which are underwhelming bothers me more than the fact that he may commit himself to the Russian league.
Justin's posted video of him is impressive and made me think of Hossa before I read Justin's post below the video actually comparing him to Hossa.
EbonyRaptor
Joined: 03.28.2013

Apr 10 @ 10:51 AM ET
Allow me over-think this a bit.

Anaheim is in need of a center to replace Kesler and soon to replace Getslaf as he's 33 and slowing down. They have the 9th pick which means the 3 or 4 best centers will probably be off the board ... but the Hawks have the 3rd pick which gives them first crack at all the best centers not named Hughes. Anaheim also has a pretty good top pairing LD named Hampus Lindholm, 25 years old, good on both sides of the puck, and on a decent contract ($5.2M for 3 more years). It would take a lot to pry Lindholm away from Anaheim but maybe a swap of 1st round picks with the Hawks including either Mitchell or Beaudin and another prospect and/or draft pick would do it.

Then use the Anaheim #9 pick in a trade with Toronto where Toronto gets the Anaheim 9th pick and Anisimov and the Hawks get Kapanen and Kadri.

So essentially the Hawks turn the #3 pick, Anisimov, either Mitchell or Beaudin and one or two lesser assets into (3) ready to play starters - a top pairing d-man, a top-6 winger, and a #3c who is faster and younger than Anisimov.

Crazy?
arps714
Joined: 06.21.2012

Apr 10 @ 10:52 AM ET
are any of these prospects playing in the Worlds? We should send some of our guys who can potentially play with them and get a better feel of how they would fit on the roster in the upcoming years. Similar to how they wanted Kane to play with Quinn Hughes
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Apr 10 @ 10:53 AM ET
Allow me over-think this a bit.

Anaheim is in need of a center to replace Kesler and soon to replace Getslaf as he's 33 and slowing down. They have the 9th pick which means the 3 or 4 best centers will probably be off the board ... but the Hawks have the 3rd pick which gives them first crack at all the best centers not named Hughes. Anaheim also has a pretty good top pairing LD named Hampus Lindholm, 25 years old, good on both sides of the puck, and on a decent contract ($5.2M for 3 more years). It would take a lot to pry Lindholm away from Anaheim but maybe a swap of 1st round picks with the Hawks including either Mitchell or Beaudin and another prospect and/or draft pick would do it.

Then use the Anaheim #9 pick in a trade with Toronto where Toronto gets the Anaheim 9th pick and Anisimov and the Hawks get Kapanen and Kadri.

So essentially the Hawks turn the #3 pick, Anisimov, either Mitchell or Beaudin and one or two lesser assets into (3) ready to play starters - a top pairing d-man, a top-6 winger, and a #3c who is faster and younger than Anisimov.

Crazy?

- EbonyRaptor



I think you watched Draft Day one too many times.....
kmw4631
Location: CHICAGO
Joined: 02.27.2015

Apr 10 @ 10:54 AM ET
How about # 3 for # 7 and # 20?
67hawks
Joined: 08.30.2012

Apr 10 @ 10:56 AM ET
I would take Byram. He's a different style of defenseman that this team lacks on its current roster and in the pipeline. He could even play next year on the bottom pairing and actually contribute.
- arps714


I am leaning the same way because of Byram's style. We have a lot of D prospects but they all seem to be cast from the same mould. Byram apparently is relatively young in this draft class. Defencemen have better value than forwards so Stan would have trade options to alleviate the glut of defencemen to add forwards.
If the Hawks would have selected Bouchard over Boqvist in the last draft, my thinking would be different.
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Apr 10 @ 10:56 AM ET
How about # 3 for # 7 and # 20?
- kmw4631

Too funny! So many posters were hoping the team would tank for a good draft position and now that we have that position, we're trying to trade it!
gnosox1986
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: FL
Joined: 01.25.2012

Apr 10 @ 10:59 AM ET
I think you watched Draft Day one too many times.....
- paulr


Vontae Mack "no matter what".
frafra
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 10.21.2011

Apr 10 @ 11:01 AM ET
Too funny! So many posters were hoping the team would tank for a good draft position and now that we have that position, we're trying to trade it!
- paulr



I know what you mean, but the good news is that #3 pick is now another VALUABLE asset that Bowman has to use in any way the team feels best suited. #3 is more attractive than #12.
gnosox1986
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: FL
Joined: 01.25.2012

Apr 10 @ 11:03 AM ET
Too funny! So many posters were hoping the team would tank for a good draft position and now that we have that position, we're trying to trade it!
- paulr


I'd be open to trading it only if we unload the seabs contract too.

Say get Philly to eat the seabs contract and get 11 overall and Matt Strome in the process.

but ya... staying at 3 and getting Cozens or Byram is probably the way to go.
TrueGrit
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: FL
Joined: 07.19.2011

Apr 10 @ 11:04 AM ET
If only they would have tanked.


wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Apr 10 @ 11:06 AM ET
cWhat everyone should keep in mind is my opinion on the tiers.

Some times the first tier is a generational talent
2nd your possible true stars but at very least IF they develop, they are big minute players that will adjust to rigors of the NHL and be solid top players.
3rd level are guys that as of this point in their developing shoe GREAT promise and they are going off the board and in the best situations, their confidence, and abilities rocket them past the guys taken above, or they play big and dominant (Cap's Wilson)in some ways that they change the complexion attitude and your team's over all ice demeanor and game.

Most drafts go into that third tier quickly before the early super star, then possible star and then reply good impact players and the to that if he develops (he and the others) might change all our opinions and the tiering just got dissolved for them.

It always amazes me how different the classes are with some having even the third tier drying up within the top eight, so the best of the rest have to work hard and then get called out when they have huge successses later on.

This year starting at slot three there is a huge tier of guys that go to at least ten I categorize as 3rd tier, so the differences in these guys will be left to the hawks braintrust.

I am the guy on the Athletic you see saying, that all the non playoff teams are going to get really good prospects, and that the 4th tier extends way farther than even expected with emergence of many 17 year olds we had as after thoughts.

I subscribe to take the guy you want where you choose and don't fool around with drops.

I value the fact that there might be a NHL guy some team would be willing to part with who currently has reasonable cap hit that helps you next season.

The simple fact is selecting third is gonna affect your Cap hit when that kid starts if he has successes ala Nylander /Marner and they are wingers.
So you go from that 3rd pick with a selection from that list of FIVE guys (maybe six if you add a defenseman) who are in THAT tier.

Hell, I am sure that Philip Broberg who somehow has lost the love of the scouting experts is a big left hander who will never be Boqvist its but is a Seabrook type that plays the middle zone and his own end with intelligence and save, but will never be big time rushing attacker.

But isn't that what the hawks are trying to find in their auditions in their number 6 defender slot right now?

and Justin, I want to thank you forgot letting the site boot me for simply using the Draftsite name with no links. and thank you for being able to get your head dress feathers less ruffled than JJ used to at the nasties here...everytime I come back and it opens to some immature chicken =fight using big words, I simply click off and do more positive engaging. hang in there, and thanks.
breadbag
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 11.30.2015

Apr 10 @ 11:07 AM ET
Lots of comments about who to take because of who will be ready and who won't be ready, but it can be really iffy on how soon a guy will make an NHL impact. Don't start getting your hopes too high that the Hawks will pick a guy who will slide right into the top 6 and suddenly fix all our problems. Even some guys (like Strome) who were taken top 3 or 5 or however you want to slice and dice it, don't have an immediate impact. Drafting players isn't about win now or win next season.

I'm just saying, people have a tendency to expect too much because of the hype. Even if the Hawks get a guy who scouts feel is NHL ready or close, it could still take 1,2,3,4,5 years before they hit their potential to make a real NHL impact.
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Apr 10 @ 11:08 AM ET
If only they would have tanked.
- TrueGrit


true justice and reprieve with this lucky win, but like the Crosby win, isn't is very valuable to have strong Chicago New York area franchises?

Am I becoming a conspiracy theorist?
Rota's Rooter
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2017

Apr 10 @ 11:11 AM ET
Allow me over-think this a bit.

Anaheim is in need of a center to replace Kesler and soon to replace Getslaf as he's 33 and slowing down. They have the 9th pick which means the 3 or 4 best centers will probably be off the board ... but the Hawks have the 3rd pick which gives them first crack at all the best centers not named Hughes. Anaheim also has a pretty good top pairing LD named Hampus Lindholm, 25 years old, good on both sides of the puck, and on a decent contract ($5.2M for 3 more years). It would take a lot to pry Lindholm away from Anaheim but maybe a swap of 1st round picks with the Hawks including either Mitchell or Beaudin and another prospect and/or draft pick would do it.

Then use the Anaheim #9 pick in a trade with Toronto where Toronto gets the Anaheim 9th pick and Anisimov and the Hawks get Kapanen and Kadri.

So essentially the Hawks turn the #3 pick, Anisimov, either Mitchell or Beaudin and one or two lesser assets into (3) ready to play starters - a top pairing d-man, a top-6 winger, and a #3c who is faster and younger than Anisimov.

Crazy?

- EbonyRaptor

3 way trade? Who are you, Ek?
frafra
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 10.21.2011

Apr 10 @ 11:12 AM ET
If only they would have tanked.
- TrueGrit



LOLOLOL
howiehandles
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.18.2010

Apr 10 @ 11:14 AM ET
The more I read on these prospects, the more I'd take Bowen at 3. Assuming Hughes and the Finn go 1/2.
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Apr 10 @ 11:15 AM ET
Lots of comments about who to take because of who will be ready and who won't be ready, but it can be really iffy on how soon a guy will make an NHL impact. Don't start getting your hopes too high that the Hawks will pick a guy who will slide right into the top 6 and suddenly fix all our problems. Even some guys (like Strome) who were taken top 3 or 5 or however you want to slice and dice it, don't have an immediate impact. Drafting players isn't about win now or win next season.

I'm just saying, people have a tendency to expect too much because of the hype. Even if the Hawks get a guy who scouts feel is NHL ready or close, it could still take 1,2,3,4,5 years before they hit their potential to make a real NHL impact.

- breadbag


I agree with this and the fact it was very unfair that the Oil got all these early picks, and mucked it up.
But the idea is the picks are gonna right the ship (the Hawks already have begun that climb I would venture to say) has to go hand in hand in understanding when the organization needs new leadership and good ole boys from past eras with name recognition don't make the team better because the game has radically changed in the last two seasons...
Scotty Bowman (on the father/son trip this last Fall) told assistant coach he didn't quite understand this new defense, and Granato spent and hour on the flight going through the scheme and philosophy to bring him up to the rapid changes in attacking and defending, and there are STILL NHL clubs who haven't caught on and may spend the pre-draft weeks re-evaluating their schemes.
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