For anyone that doesn't think both the lotto system and point system are broken:

DET has 5 less ROWs than any other team over the last 3 seasons (even less than VGK in 2 seasons lol) and doesn't even have a top 5 pick to show for it.
- Feds91Stammer

Are you a get rid of the lotto and just have a straight up worst to best draft guy? Not saying that’s a bad idea, just unrealistic since everyone’s super pissy about tanking these days cus people weren’t smart enough to do it themselves.

Bright Lights Johnson
- Feds91Stammer

Give him a chance

Are you a get rid of the lotto and just have a straight up worst to best draft guy? Not saying that’s a bad idea, just unrealistic since everyone’s super pissy about tanking these days cus people weren’t smart enough to do it themselves.
- Victoro311

I would prefer the gold plan where teams accumulate points toward their draft standing once mathematically eliminated.

I would prefer the gold plan where teams accumulate points toward their draft standing once mathematically eliminated.
- Feds91Stammer

I’m concerned this will make super bad teams that can’t win games poopty forever. Sure they’ll have more games to accumulate points because they’ll be the first to get mathematically eliminated, but would that be enough for true bottom feeders?

Because if I remember correctly it was up to the Sens which year they gave Colorado the first, this year or last. It would have sucked to have been that wrong.
- Rinosaur

Yeah, from a fan's hindsight perspective I agree. But since they already made the choice (which I think was a smart one when it was made), what effect did the draft have on the team/organization last night? Whether Colorado picked #1 or #4, why would that matter to the Senators organization?

Because if I remember correctly it was up to the Sens which year they gave Colorado the first, this year or last. It would have sucked to have been that wrong.
- Rinosaur

Good point, that was a questionable choice at the time and would have looked horrid if that pick turned into Hughes.

I’m concerned this will make super bad teams that can’t win games poopty forever. Sure they’ll have more games to accumulate points because they’ll be the first to get mathematically eliminated, but would that be enough for true bottom feeders?
- Victoro311

It's probably better than just gifting Edmonton and NJ multiple 1st overall picks and having them botch things terribly.

Good point, that was a questionable choice at the time and would have looked horrid if that pick turned into Hughes.
- Tojo.

Again, that's from a fan hindsight perspective, and I agree. But since they already kept last year's pick (#4 overall), what effect did last night lotto have on the Senators as an organization?

Also, if Hughes turns into the next Yakupov and Tkachuk becomes a perennial 35-goal scorer, then do we have to revisit it and say they made the right choice?

Bright Lights Johnson
- Feds91Stammer

I hope. He does seem to have a weird history of being better in playoffs and international competition if I remember correctly.

I’m concerned this will make super bad teams that can’t win games poopty forever. Sure they’ll have more games to accumulate points because they’ll be the first to get mathematically eliminated, but would that be enough for true bottom feeders?
- Victoro311

These teams are super bad because they intentionally tank to increase odds.

These teams are super bad because they intentionally tank to increase odds.
- Feds91Stammer

Ottawa doesn't intentionally tank. Eugene Melnyk is just that incompetent, and while he deserves a poopty team, the fans don't. Same with pre-McDavid Edmonton.

For anyone that doesn't think both the lotto system and point system are broken:

DET has 5 less ROWs than any other team over the last 3 seasons (even less than VGK in 2 seasons lol) and doesn't even have a top 5 pick to show for it.
- Feds91Stammer

It works for what the NHL wants: limits the rewards for tanking. Harder to throw a season away if you might still not get that franchise prospect.

It works for what the NHL wants: limits the rewards for tanking. Harder to throw a season away if you might still not get that franchise prospect.
- Tojo.

I could agree with this sentiment if the lottery had more transparency aka seeing the lotto balls actually being selected.

It works for what the NHL wants: limits the rewards for tanking. Harder to throw a season away if you might still not get that franchise prospect.
- Tojo.

It's dumb logic though and doesn't work in practice. The reward may be less, but you still may as well tank if you're rebuilding. Imagine that you're starving to death and you have the option of living by stealing some rich dude's rack of lamb every night. Then one day, that rack of lamb turns into a simple loaf of bread. You're still gonna steal that bread even though it's nowhere near the rack of lamb.

I guess it keeps bubble teams playoff hunting longer, but in the NHL bubble teams usually didn't sell at the deadline anyways because the point system is so fickle.

I could agree with this sentiment if the lottery had more transparency aka seeing the lotto balls actually being selected.
- Feds91Stammer

Like the NBA did with Patrick Ewing?

Also, they'd most likely end up drawing multiple balls for teams with more than 1 ball...and they'd have to show you each individual ball being put into the bin prior, as well.

Also, the best Ten Yard Fight Album was The Only Way.

Again, that's from a fan hindsight perspective, and I agree. But since they already kept last year's pick (#4 overall), what effect did last night lotto have on the Senators as an organization?

Also, if Hughes turns into the next Yakupov and Tkachuk becomes a perennial 35-goal scorer, then do we have to revisit it and say they made the right choice?
- jmatchett383

I think even at the time it was acknowledged they were taking a risk. Everyone knew they were trading Karlsson and were likely to be a terrible team in a year there was a face of the franchise type prospect which Tkachuk isn't. I'd have chosen differently if I were them, but it looks like it worked out fine.

As an organization, I agree you try and turn the page, but you'd have to kick yourself for that choice if it worked out different. Just my perspective though.

I think even at the time it was acknowledged they were taking a risk. Everyone knew they were trading Karlsson and were likely to be a terrible team in a year there was a face of the franchise type prospect which Tkachuk isn't. I'd have chosen differently if I were them, but it looks like it worked out fine.

As an organization, I agree you try and turn the page, but you'd have to kick yourself for that choice if it worked out different. Just my perspective though.
- Tojo.

Well yeah, as a GM, you'd be worried about fan/media backlash if it didn't work out. But with Stone, Duchesne, Tkachuk, a (hopefully) healthy Anderson, they probably thought they wouldn't be THAT bad. Also, as Chicago showed, you could be back end lotto team and still end up winning (although they got #3, not #1/2). So I agree, last season was when it had an effect on the team and was up for debate. 11 months later, it really had no effect on them.

I always thought since the lottery started it should be a scaled drafted.

Teams 1-5 are the only teams to draw for picks 1-5.

Teams 6-15 draw for picks 6-15.

I always thought since the lottery should be a scaled drafted.

Teams 1-5 are the only teams to draw for picks 1-5.

Teams 6-15 draw for picks 6-15.
- Rinosaur

I say just give all teams 1-15 one lotto ball and pick it. Personally, I'd like to see the team that went for the playoffs and just missed out be rewarded more than a team (management) that intentionally lost games.

Hahaha. I guess I live in your head. I’m guessing you made that. Nice work. More into evil angel though. If I had internet skills I would reply with a circle jerk of all your names onto Jake Guentzel’s face. Just use your imagination though.
- Grinder47

Nah, you don’t live in my head. You’re just an easy target with all the “knowledge” you spew on here.

I say just give all teams 1-15 one lotto ball and pick it. Personally, I'd like to see the team that went for the playoffs and just missed out be rewarded more than a team (management) that intentionally lost games.
- jmatchett383

I honestly just don't believe in this day and age that teams tank. Now, do GMs dismantle teams to make sure they will finish at the bottom? That's a different story.

The Rangers lucked out. They also could have easily finished 3rd to up their chances at #1, but decided to play to win and the same could be said of the Wings.

I don't know what I'm anticipating more, the start of game 1 or knowing the defensive pairings.

I honestly just don't believe in this day and age that teams tank. Now, do GMs dismantle teams to make sure they will finish at the bottom? That's a different story.

The Rangers lucked out. They also could have easily finished 3rd to up their chances at #1, but decided to play to win and the same could be said of the Wings.
- Rinosaur

That's what tanking is. A conglomerate of players have never gotten together in a players only meeting and come to the conclusion that "Hey we should throw games so we can add this rookie next season."

I don't know what I'm anticipating more, the start of game 1 or knowing the defensive pairings.
- Rinosaur

I need the line up more than I need coffee right now.