I'm just saying. I get where you all are coming from and this is unfortunately going to be the topic of discussion until the lottery. It is a sad time for this fan base.
I'm just saying. I get where you all are coming from and this is unfortunately going to be the topic of discussion until the lottery. It is a sad time for this fan base. - JRR1285
I don't know, I'm excited
got a lot of draft capital going into the draft and a lot of cap space for July 1st
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I know. But the waiting will be the death of me. - JRR1285
It doesn't have to be. I think if our young guys step up next year, we could be under .500 and still be exciting. It sucks to lose games, but if we lose and are exciting it's way better than say Ottawa, Detroit, or the other dumpster fires that aren't even interesting. I expect to at least compete for a playoff spot in 20-21. Then hopefully the better times are here.
It doesn't have to be. I think if our young guys step up next year, we could be under .500 and still be exciting. It sucks to lose games, but if we lose and are exciting it's way better than say Ottawa, Detroit, or the other dumpster fires that aren't even interesting. I expect to at least compete for a playoff spot in 20-21. Then hopefully the better times are here. - 2sticks1puck
nothing below .500 is exciting, except for the odd game here and there
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nothing below .500 is exciting, except for the odd game here and there - 21peter
I would agree in the overall scheme it's disheartening, but you can't say that those games we had with the Caps and Bolts recently weren't at least entertaining. If we could play like that all next year, that would be a bad team that's exciting. I would rather watch that than some of the death marches, Renney and the first couple Tort years put out despite being decent.
At the end of the day, players and coaches are aiming to win. We can talk about the tank all we want, but the team wants to win. For a tank to be successful, you need a total dumpster fire where players are disinterested (see Ottawa). Once you have those disinterested players, it's hard to rebuild from there and you have instilled a culture of losing.
I'm 100% with the idea of losing out the remainder of the schedule. But Quinn and this group of players are going to try their hardest to win. They all have something to prove. If we really wanted to tank this season, the team probably should have kept AV.
At the end of the day, players and coaches are aiming to win. We can talk about the tank all we want, but the team wants to win. For a tank to be successful, you need a total dumpster fire where players are disinterested (see Ottawa). Once you have those disinterested players, it's hard to rebuild from there and you have instilled a culture of losing.
I'm 100% with the idea of losing out the remainder of the schedule. But Quinn and this group of players are going to try their hardest to win. They all have something to prove. If we really wanted to tank this season, the team probably should have kept AV. - gravey914
they should have lost saturday, Georgiev was insane, Lundqvist would have given up 7
maybe that's the only difference, AV would still be running Lundqvist out there all the time
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At the end of the day, players and coaches are aiming to win. We can talk about the tank all we want, but the team wants to win. For a tank to be successful, you need a total dumpster fire where players are disinterested (see Ottawa). Once you have those disinterested players, it's hard to rebuild from there and you have instilled a culture of losing.
I'm 100% with the idea of losing out the remainder of the schedule. But Quinn and this group of players are going to try their hardest to win. They all have something to prove. If we really wanted to tank this season, the team probably should have kept AV. - gravey914
they should have lost saturday, Georgiev was insane, Lundqvist would have given up 7
maybe that's the only difference, AV would still be running Lundqvist out there all the time - jimbro83
The players had tuned AV out. I doubt the effort level would be the same if he were still here. The players have bought into what Quinn is selling. They may not have much top-end skill, but the effort is there. And effort is what's gotten them a million loser points this year.
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The players had tuned AV out. I doubt the effort level would be the same if he were still here. The players have bought into what Quinn is selling. They may not have much top-end skill, but the effort is there. And effort is what's gotten them a million loser points this year. - gravey914
And this is where I'd argue, isn't this what you'd want to see? I don't think any reasonable person thought we'd be good this year. I think this year as been to some degree a success because we are putting a system in pace, we are establishing a core, and it looks like players are buying in. Next year, we need to see a bit of an improvement on multiple fronts. We probably won't make the playoffs, but i'd like to see our pick in the low teens as a reference to how we are progressing.
And this is where I'd argue, isn't this what you'd want to see? I don't think any reasonable person thought we'd be good this year. I think this year as been to some degree a success because we are putting a system in pace, we are establishing a core, and it looks like players are buying in. Next year, we need to see a bit of an improvement on multiple fronts. We probably won't make the playoffs, but i'd like to see our pick in the low teens as a reference to how we are progressing. - 2sticks1puck
I think Quinn is perfect for a rebuilding team. He's a teacher of the game and needs to prove he's got what it takes to be an NHL coach. I have no problem with that.
I agree with Tom that losing is probably the best thing for this team. However, being the fan that I am, I can't root against them.
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I think Quinn is perfect for a rebuilding team. He's a teacher of the game and needs to prove he's got what it takes to be an NHL coach. I have no problem with that.
I agree with Tom that losing is probably the best thing for this team. However, being the fan that I am, I can't root against them. - gravey914
It really depends how you lose. If your young guys are developing, but you just aren't good enough yet and lose a bunch of games then it probably is better. What I don't want is a Buffalo situation where it looks like they are losing for the sake of losing with no organization to anything they do as a franchise. You'd hope with our draft picks already that are in the system and additional prospects/younger players we have brought in by trade that we have most of what we need the next winning core to be at some level of the org. We will have to supplement that over time, but I just don't see the appeal of losing if it means multiple prospects are struggling to do so.
It really depends how you lose. If your young guys are developing, but you just aren't good enough yet and lose a bunch of games then it probably is better. What I don't want is a Buffalo situation where it looks like they are losing for the sake of losing with no organization to anything they do as a franchise. You'd hope with our draft picks already that are in the system and additional prospects/younger players we have brought in by trade that we have most of what we need the next winning core to be at some level of the org. We will have to supplement that over time, but I just don't see the appeal of losing if it means multiple prospects are struggling to do so. - 2sticks1puck
Filip Chytil can't find in terms of his position, center or wing. Andersson has 7 points in 42 games. Neal Pionk has been awful since his highlight reel goal vs the Habs. Howden works hard but can't score. DeAngelo has excelled. So what are we hoping for?
Filip Chytil can't find in terms of his position, center or wing. Andersson has 7 points in 42 games. Neal Pionk has been awful since his highlight reel goal vs the Habs. Howden works hard but can't score. DeAngelo has excelled. So what are we hoping for? - tomburton99
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Filip Chytil can't find in terms of his position, center or wing. Andersson has 7 points in 42 games. Neal Pionk has been awful since his highlight reel goal vs the Habs. Howden works hard but can't score. DeAngelo has excelled. So what are we hoping for? - tomburton99
Chytil, Buchnevich, Georgie, and ADA have had good years out of our young guys. Strome has done decent as a reclamation project. No doubt Pionk, Lias, and Howden have to pick it up. Hajek showed some promise in limited minutes here. Mika is establishing himself as a front line player. I think I've seen that at least some of the seeds of success are being planted. We have to remember in the guys that aren't doing so hot such as Lias, that statistically we will have guys who will flame out. If we wind up having 8 1sts in 3 years (7 if we don't get any of the conditionals, 9 if we somehow get both), you almost have to assume even with good drafting almost 50% of them either won't make expectations or be busts just on statistical probability.
Chytil, Buchnevich, Georgie, and ADA have had good years out of our young guys. Strome has done decent as a reclamation project. No doubt Pionk, Lias, and Howden have to pick it up. Hajek showed some promise in limited minutes here. Mika is establishing himself as a front line player. I think I've seen that at least some of the seeds of success are being planted. We have to remember in the guys that aren't doing so hot such as Lias, that statistically we will have guys who will flame out. If we wind up having 8 1sts in 3 years (7 if we don't get any of the conditionals, 9 if we somehow get both), you almost have to assume even with good drafting almost 50% of them either won't make expectations or be busts just on statistical probability. - 2sticks1puck
Right, but what you're worried about is the Rangers becoming like Buffalo. But they kind of already are.
Zib is comparable to Eichel, in that he drives the offense. Kreider and Skinner are streaky scores that cannot be counted on. Okposo and Bogiasn are underpreforming vets ala Staal and Shttenkirk. Buffalo overpayed and overhyped Hutton, Rangers had to and are foced to keep Lundqvist. Skjei and Risotlainen are defenseman that have shown flashes of serious skill yet have regressed. Both teams aren't getting enough from their forward prospects. Buch and Reinhart are kinda the same. Reinhart having a bit more skill.
The Rangers and Buffalo are almost the same. The worst that can happen for that Rangers is that keep losing.
#TBLightning Jon Cooper said Dan Girardi (lower body) is doubtful to play the rest of the regular season. They “hope” he’ll be ready for the playoffs - jimbro83
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Right, but what you're worried about is the Rangers becoming like Buffalo. But they kind of already are.
Zib is comparable to Eichel, in that he drives the offense. Kreider and Skinner are streaky scores that cannot be counted on. Okposo and Bogiasn are underpreforming vets ala Staal and Shttenkirk. Buffalo overpayed and overhyped Hutton, Rangers had to and are foced to keep Lundqvist. Skjei and Risotlainen are defenseman that have shown flashes of serious skill yet have regressed. Both teams aren't getting enough from their forward prospects. Buch and Reinhart are kinda the same. Reinhart having a bit more skill.
The Rangers and Buffalo are almost the same. The worst that can happen for that Rangers is that keep losing. - tomburton99
I can see your parallels for this years two teams. However, what I mean about avoiding becoming Buffalo, is a multi year stretch with either no apparent plan, or a flip flopping plan. Buffalo has alternated between trying to tank, or shortcutting by getting guys like ROR or Skinner. It just seems from afar that they have had no real plan for any significant stretch of time. While it is far from determined whether it'll work or not, I can't say so far that the Rangers look like a rudderless ship.
