Imagine thinking drafting 12th overall is better than draft in the top 5? This isn't just about you either. A good fraction of Ranger fans want so see them compete and "build winning habits." Cool, to bad this team has been bad for now 2 plus years are trying to tank and yet have have been to stupid to do so. This is my hell. Have fun never beng good enough to never actually win anything.
- tomburton99

What do the Rangers have to lose by doing it right now?

Edit: It can't be done right now, but hypothetically speaking. The Rangers already screwed themsleves by winning shootouts and going to OT.
- tomburton99

Nothing. They need to lose out now. They needed to lose out since before the halfway mark but Ottawa has had this in the bag for some time.

100%

Those loser points really hurt right now. They are artificially making this team look better.

Nothing. They need to lose out now. They needed to lose out since before the halfway mark but Ottawa has had this in the bag for some time.

100%

Those loser points really hurt right now. They are artificially making this team look better.
- JRR1285

Now I hope they win out, purely out of spite. Give me the 87 points and the 11th overall pick.

Now I hope they win out, purely out of spite. Give me the 87 points and the 11th overall pick.
- tomburton99

You say that as a joke but watch the 11th overall worst team win the lottery

Nothing. They need to lose out now. They needed to lose out since before the halfway mark but Ottawa has had this in the bag for some time.

100%

Those loser points really hurt right now. They are artificially making this team look better.
- JRR1285

Wonder if Chytil is going to be like Hayes in the sense that he isn't very good at wing. Noticed since they moved him back to center his defensive coverage seems much better.

You say that as a joke but watch the 11th overall worst team win the lottery
- TPC

Oh for sure. Actually I expect the Blue Jackets to win the lottery now.

Jackets 1, Wings 2, Avs(via OTT) 3.

I gotta also figure out if the NHL rigs the lotto in order to have both Hughes brothers in Vancouver. Many storylines untangle.

Wonder if Chytil is going to be like Hayes in the sense that he isn't very good at wing. Noticed since they moved him back to center his defensive coverage seems much better.
- mdw7413

He and Andersson have to be good soon. Cause if not, then yikes.

Wonder if Chytil is going to be like Hayes in the sense that he isn't very good at wing. Noticed since they moved him back to center his defensive coverage seems much better.
- mdw7413

Maybe. I haven't been watching as many games since I have not been around but he has looked noticeable in the games I saw.

He and Andersson have to be good soon. Cause of not, then yikes.
- tomburton99

Yeah. Chytil at least shows signs that he has a ton of skill. Andersson is looking more and more like an average player. Only thing that makes that Andersson draft ok right now is no one is lighting it up where we could have picked another player

Yeah. Chytil at least shows signs that he has a ton of skill. Andersson is looking more and more like an average player. Only thing that makes that Andersson draft ok right now is no one is lighting it up where we could have picked another player
- mdw7413

Mittelstadt doesn't look too shabby

Mittelstadt doesn't look too shabby
- 21peter

Well compared to Andersson he doesn't

I'm guessing this was why the Rangers passed, and I can't blame them.

https://www.cbssports.com...cant-do-a-single-pull-up/

You say that as a joke but watch the 11th overall worst team win the lottery
- TPC

As I said before, I'd rather watch young people develop and draft worse by winning games with the young core than picking better, but guys like Chytil regress. Thisis where team tank is sorely misinformed for a multitude of reasons:

1) For tanking to work there has to be a good enough player to tank for. If tanking was such a great strategy, than Edmonton and Buffalo would by dynastys now. I think Pittsburgh and the Hawks are the only teams to have won drafting number one in the cap era, both teams haven't drafted that high since the very wee stages of that. McD one of the best players this centure, can't even sniff the playoffs. Perhaps the greatest goal scorer of all time in Ovy, might have went cupless in his career had the team not constructed a better support structure and coach around him in recent years.

2) As I said above, do you really want to draft Hughes and/or Lafrreniere if it means multiple players of ours bust or don't live up to expectations? This rebuild will be determined by getting guys like Keane, Renaunen, etc taken later in the draft as much as the headliner prospects we have. A majority of our high picks have to pan out to build a contender. It simply is not worth getting an extra couple ping pong balls to get a better player in the draft if it means 3-4 crap out.

3) We literally saw a team that was in decline in the beginning of the decade vault into cup contention by not having to totally tank. It was aided in large part of the Gomez trade, but don't forget a good portion of the backbone of that team was drafted in the teens. We may not have won, but to say the 12-15 group was not good enough to win a cup if a couple things break differently is just fooling yourself.

The problem with you team tankers is you guys have no end game. If we did get back to back #1 picks, you'd just want to get the following years #1. The process never ends. A successful rebuild involves constant improvement and development. As I pointed out before, even a sharp turnaround like the Pens, was aided because they signed a slew of vets to surround Sid with from the very beginning. If the answer was clear tanking, why get any assets at all for Hayes, Zucc, etc? Just getting good young players would hurt the tank and therefore be bad.

You say that as a joke but watch the 11th overall worst team win the lottery
- TPC

As I said before, I'd rather watch young people develop and draft worse by winning games with the young core than picking better, but guys like Chytil regress. Thisis where team tank is sorely misinformed for a multitude of reasons:

1) For tanking to work there has to be a good enough player to tank for. If tanking was such a great strategy, than Edmonton and Buffalo would by dynastys now. I think Pittsburgh and the Hawks are the only teams to have won drafting number one in the cap era, both teams haven't drafted that high since the very wee stages of that. McD one of the best players this centure, can't even sniff the playoffs. Perhaps the greatest goal scorer of all time in Ovy, might have went cupless in his career had the team not constructed a better support structure and coach around him in recent years.

2) As I said above, do you really want to draft Hughes and/or Lafrreniere if it means multiple players of ours bust or don't live up to expectations? This rebuild will be determined by getting guys like Keane, Renaunen, etc taken later in the draft as much as the headliner prospects we have. A majority of our high picks have to pan out to build a contender. It simply is not worth getting an extra couple ping pong balls to get a better player in the draft if it means 3-4 crap out.

3) We literally saw a team that was in decline in the beginning of the decade vault into cup contention by not having to totally tank. It was aided in large part of the Gomez trade, but don't forget a good portion of the backbone of that team was drafted in the teens. We may not have won, but to say the 12-15 group was not good enough to win a cup if a couple things break differently is just fooling yourself.

The problem with you team tankers is you guys have no end game. If we did get back to back #1 picks, you'd just want to get the following years #1. The process never ends. A successful rebuild involves constant improvement and development. As I pointed out before, even a sharp turnaround like the Pens, was aided because they signed a slew of vets to surround Sid with from the very beginning. If the answer was clear tanking, why get any assets at all for Hayes, Zucc, etc? Just getting good young players would hurt the tank and therefore be bad.

Well compared to Andersson he doesn't

I'm guessing this was why the Rangers passed, and I can't blame them.

https://www.cbssports.com...cant-do-a-single-pull-up/
- mdw7413

yeah, that was shockingly hilarious

As I said before, I'd rather watch young people develop and draft worse by winning games with the young core than picking better, but guys like Chytil regress. Thisis where team tank is sorely misinformed for a multitude of reasons:

1) For tanking to work there has to be a good enough player to tank for. If tanking was such a great strategy, than Edmonton and Buffalo would by dynastys now. I think Pittsburgh and the Hawks are the only teams to have won drafting number one in the cap era, both teams haven't drafted that high since the very wee stages of that. McD one of the best players this centure, can't even sniff the playoffs. Perhaps the greatest goal scorer of all time in Ovy, might have went cupless in his career had the team not constructed a better support structure and coach around him in recent years.

2) As I said above, do you really want to draft Hughes and/or Lafrreniere if it means multiple players of ours bust or don't live up to expectations? This rebuild will be determined by getting guys like Keane, Renaunen, etc taken later in the draft as much as the headliner prospects we have. A majority of our high picks have to pan out to build a contender. It simply is not worth getting an extra couple ping pong balls to get a better player in the draft if it means 3-4 crap out.

3) We literally saw a team that was in decline in the beginning of the decade vault into cup contention by not having to totally tank. It was aided in large part of the Gomez trade, but don't forget a good portion of the backbone of that team was drafted in the teens. We may not have won, but to say the 12-15 group was not good enough to win a cup if a couple things break differently is just fooling yourself.

The problem with you team tankers is you guys have no end game. If we did get back to back #1 picks, you'd just want to get the following years #1. The process never ends. A successful rebuild involves constant improvement and development. As I pointed out before, even a sharp turnaround like the Pens, was aided because they signed a slew of vets to surround Sid with from the very beginning. If the answer was clear tanking, why get any assets at all for Hayes, Zucc, etc? Just getting good young players would hurt the tank and therefore be bad.
- 2sticks1puck

Man I hope you're right. I was counting on a big night from my Leafs players but he (frank)ed me. Didn't matter in the end.
- JRR1285

I made it interesting at least, had to drop my entire lineup on Sunday

- tomburton99

This thread is going to annoying places today.

I made it interesting at least, had to drop my entire lineup on Sunday
- tbreinold

I dropped a bunch too so I could get a full lineup for Sunday. If I hadn't this would have been a different outcome.

Stamkos wins MVP.

Good series.

I dropped a bunch too so I could get a full lineup for Sunday. If I hadn't this would have been a different outcome.

Stamkos wins MVP.

Good series.
- JRR1285

had to cheat to win

had to cheat to win
- TPC

That's not cheating!

We both had the same amount of games played.

That's not cheating!

We both had the same amount of games played.
- JRR1285

lol standard strategy. Different sport, but the most dubious thing I ever did in fantasy is one time I desperately needed my FF team to win since I was on a slide. Had a 5 pt lead going into Monday night and the other guy has AP and is a game time decision. He's ruled out that morning. So before the guy can make adjustments, i pickup every potential running back that could play in that game. Guy was pissed

This thread is going to annoying places today.
- JRR1285

Idk what to tell you.

Mittelstadt doesn't look too shabby
- 21peter

Buffalo is shockingly disappointing this year though, really surprised

Skinner fell off face of the earth, wonder if that's going to hurt him July 1st

lol standard strategy. Different sport, but the most dubious thing I ever did in fantasy is one time I desperately needed my FF team to win since I was on a slide. Had a 5 pt lead going into Monday night and the other guy has AP and is a game time decision. He's ruled out that morning. So before the guy can make adjustments, i pickup every potential running back that could play in that game. Guy was pissed
- 2sticks1puck

That's a legit strategy too.

I wouldn't mind seeing Toronto go on a run though. I don't dislike any of their guys. Their fans however...
- JRR1285

it's just been a foregone conclusion for awhile now that Toronto is going to finish 3rd and maybe they are playing possum until that first round vs Boston starts