C’mon dude. Don’t stoop to wishing injury.
- Victoro311

Just like a hairline fracture. Nothing that effects his walking or future of sucking Richard in a Pens Jersey. Also I’m not serious, it was a joke lol I’ll never wish injury in anything.

Yeah I gotta say I was more than a little shocked at all the Murray hate in here.

He made 37 saves on 39 shots. That's a really solid night. Not sure what more you want from a guy.
- BINGO!

There’s always a ton of hate on Murray in here lol pretty much after every loss.

Kris Letang looked good for not playing in a while. Other than his decision making being a bit slow, which was expected, he did a good job. He played 26 minutes and looked like he could of kept going.

Schultz-JJ pairing rocking that negative Corsi, negative scoring chances, negative high danger chances and most of all negative goal differential. What a joke.
- j.boyd919

That pairing absolutely sucks. It’s weird to me that while the Pens were weathering the Letang injury, and doing pretty decently at it, the unit that had Schultz on it was the weakest link and the unit that had Gudbranson on it was playing at a top 4 level. Schultz and Johnson have negative chemestrt and that pairing can’t be allowed to exist anymore when Maatta gets back, especially when it’s getting so much ice time. I have no idea how Martin can watch them play and be like “yeah, this has been an effective use of 20 + minutes of ice time”. Another one of those times where you don’t need stats to tell you something is bad on the ice. It’s obvious.

Just like a hairline fracture. Nothing that effects his walking or future of sucking Richard in a Pens Jersey. Also I’m not serious, it was a joke lol I’ll never wish injury in anything.
- j.boyd919

How about we give him Lupis instead? Dr. House says it's never Lupis... also that is not an injury

Schultz-JJ pairing rocking that negative Corsi, negative scoring chances, negative high danger chances and most of all negative goal differential. What a joke.
- j.boyd919

They are getting their chances though. Bjugstad could have had two or three goals last night and Shultz had a golden chance also.

They are getting their chances though. Bjugstad could have had two or three goals last night and Shultz had a golden chance also.
- Thunderbolt

They’d have more chances if they weren’t hemmed in their own zone all night lol they are also giving up a ton of chances.

They’d have more chances if they weren’t hemmed in their own zone all night lol they are also giving up a ton of chances.
- j.boyd919

They aren't starting there:
Offensive Zone-7
Neutral Zone-3
Defensive Zone-1

Bjugstad won 4 of 14 face offs.

They aren't starting there:
Offensive Zone-7
Neutral Zone-3
Defensive Zone-1

Bjugstad won 4 of 14 face offs.
- Thunderbolt

Oh I definitely don’t think they’re starting there. I just don’t think they Are a good enough pairing to spend more time in the offensive zone then the defensive zone. You’ve got two guys who aren’t particularly known for being good defensively.

They aren't starting there:
Offensive Zone-7
Neutral Zone-3
Defensive Zone-1

Bjugstad won 4 of 14 face offs.
- Thunderbolt

Just so you know this ignores on the fly starts which would be a majority of shift starts.

The Murray haters are so dumb here. .95 save percentage last night and you fault him. No, how about we score more than two goals with all this damn offensive power?
Hes been one of the best goalies in the nhl since coming back from that injury. He is not to blame, find a new scapegoat.
- Guile

Not hating, pointing out that his left side has been less than stellar. And that puck hit him in the glove. And the scapegoat on this board is JJ. Make no mistake about that.

Just so you know this ignores on the fly starts which would be a majority of shift starts.
- Feds91Stammer

I understand. I also understand that almost exclusively you enter the ice when the puck is dumped in and you are immediately on the defensive. I am merely suggesting that all the blame can't be placed on one guy when your center is losing 75% of his draws.

I like the line of Bjugstad, Hornqvist and Simon, well not so much Simon. I just think they deserve some blame here also.

I understand. I also understand that almost exclusively you enter the ice when the puck is dumped in and you are immediately on the defensive. I am merely suggesting that all the blame can't be placed on one guy when your center is losing 75% of his draws.

I like the line of Bjugstad, Hornqvist and Simon, well not so much Simon. I just think they deserve some blame here also.
- Thunderbolt

Face offs aren’t nearly as significant as people make them out to be.

Face offs aren’t nearly as significant as people make them out to be.
- j.boyd919

this x1000000

That pairing absolutely sucks. It’s weird to me that while the Pens were weathering the Letang injury, and doing pretty decently at it, the unit that had Schultz on it was the weakest link and the unit that had Gudbranson on it was playing at a top 4 level. Schultz and Johnson have negative chemestrt and that pairing can’t be allowed to exist anymore when Maatta gets back, especially when it’s getting so much ice time. I have no idea how Martin can watch them play and be like “yeah, this has been an effective use of 20 + minutes of ice time”. Another one of those times where you don’t need stats to tell you something is bad on the ice. It’s obvious.
- Victoro311

Canes made a point to get Aho out there vs Letang or Crosby as much as possible so that they could have Noted Corsi God J.Staal and Andrei Svechnikov vs the Johnson pairing because they could outwork and out-muscle that pairing down low without much difficulty.

Face offs aren’t nearly as significant as people make them out to be.
- j.boyd919

Neutral zone faceoffs are insignificant but offensive and defensive zone faceoffs are important. I get you don't have to win them all if you play sound defense when you lose. Just saying that line had the opportunity to play in the offensive zone if they won some face offs. They didn't and that is on the forwards not the defense.

But okay I will pin this lose and all the loses in the future on Johnson.

Neutral zone faceoffs are insignificant but offensive and defensive zone faceoffs are important. I get you don't have to win them all if you play sound defense when you lose. Just saying that line had the opportunity to play in the offensive zone if they won some face offs. They didn't and that is on the forwards not the defense.

But okay I will pin this lose and all the loses in the future on Johnson.
- Thunderbolt

Puck changes possession hundreds of times in a game. To emphasize a couple D zone faceoffs is illogical.

Neutral zone faceoffs are insignificant but offensive and defensive zone faceoffs are important. I get you don't have to win them all if you play sound defense when you lose. Just saying that line had the opportunity to play in the offensive zone if they won some face offs. They didn't and that is on the forwards not the defense.

But okay I will pin this lose and all the loses in the future on Johnson.
- Thunderbolt

They're only important for about 3 seconds after the draw.

Individual faceoffs can be big in a game, but over the course of a season the amount to mostly nothing.

Just think of them the same as any 50/50 puck battle and you're fine.

Neutral zone faceoffs are insignificant but offensive and defensive zone faceoffs are important. I get you don't have to win them all if you play sound defense when you lose. Just saying that line had the opportunity to play in the offensive zone if they won some face offs. They didn't and that is on the forwards not the defense.

But okay I will pin this lose and all the loses in the future on Johnson.
- Thunderbolt

Oh I don’t pin this lost on Johnson at all. All I pointed out is that the JJ/Schultz pairing is not fairing out too well and that sucks for Schultz. Personally I blame the tying goal more on Rust/Letang because no one even tried to pick up Williams after that faceoff. Everyone just collapsed in the shooting lane.

Neutral zone faceoffs are insignificant but offensive and defensive zone faceoffs are important. I get you don't have to win them all if you play sound defense when you lose. Just saying that line had the opportunity to play in the offensive zone if they won some face offs. They didn't and that is on the forwards not the defense.

But okay I will pin this lose and all the loses in the future on Johnson.
- Thunderbolt

I just think this particular one is pretty easy to pin on bad overall team discipline at the end of the game. If you're dying to scapegoat specific players, I think the Joltz pairing was a demonstrably bigger issue than Matt Murray or the third line last night.

Tom Brady > Joe Montana.

Talk about an American Hero. Tom Brady is the greatest football player to step on the grass.
- j.boyd919

List of football players better than Teflon Tom:

- Barry Sanders
- Jim Thorpe
- Herschel Walker
- Chuck Bednarik
- Jerry Rice
- O.J. "Bus Driving Murderer" Simpson
- Reggie White
- Mean Joe Greene
- Tommy Maddox

Now, if you're looking for the best football passerthat you're allowed to tackle too roughly of fall-time? Yes, Brady.

I just think this particular one is pretty easy to pin on bad overall team discipline at the end of the game. If you're dying to scapegoat specific players, I think the Joltz pairing was a demonstrably bigger issue than Matt Murray or the third line last night.
- Victoro311

I honestly wasn’t scapegoating anyone for the loss. Just the fact that that pairing is dog shìt.

I just think this particular one is pretty easy to pin on bad overall team discipline at the end of the game. If you're dying to scapegoat specific players, I think the Joltz pairing was a demonstrably bigger issue than Matt Murray or the third line last night.
- Victoro311

Also, the O has dried up a bit...thats not to say they arnt getting chances though, they're just not burying them.

37 of 39 saves is pretty damn good, excellent actually....normally the Pens can get get more than 2 goals. In the Philly game 2 goals won the game. The Blues game was an abomination from the goals against standpoint but even in that game the Pens had a bunch of chances they didnt convert.

I'm not really worried about the Pens in any way right now.

Sanders
- jmatchett383

Only one on that list I’d maybe concede is Barry Sanders. Other than that I think Tom Brady is the best football player ever. Hell he might be the greatest athlete across all of the major sports of all time.

I honestly wasn’t scapegoating anyone for the loss. Just the fact that that pairing is dog shìt.
- j.boyd919

Yeah its about as team loss as you can get.