ok...so....the combo of Lehner and Greisse or just Lehner should win the Vezina then?

We all know that's not happening.
I agree I hate when systems produce false results. I live in Ottawa, I watched it first hand when the Sens nearly got to the cup final a couple years ago - and had NO BUSINESS being there. Some luck on that one as well....some cancer, a motivated and well rested Craig Anderson, and rally point or two with Clarke McArthur.

Still....you gotta hand it to clever coaches who can get everyone to tow the rope in the same direction.

I like Cassidy this year for the Adams. I've watched a lot of bruins hockey this year - he's "coached". Moved players, shuffled, used goalies at the right times, rested players at others. A lot of aging, and moving parts in Boston. I hope he wins.

Too much activity in a Tanner thread.. it'll get shut down and disappeared before days end.

Isles are getting good goaltending. They're also punching above their weight in the talent and depth department. The coach behind the bench was the same guy who won a cup last year with the worst Capitals roster in a decade, according to Tanner. He's gotten his teams to buy into what he's saying. intangibles, man.

Remember kids. It’s the quality of shots, not the quantity. Anyone telling you other wise is wrong.

I don't blame you for not understanding my point, you're not much of an understanding basic concepts guy.
- James_Tanner

ok...so....the combo of Lehner and Greisse or just Lehner should win the Vezina then?

We all know that's not happening.
I agree I hate when systems produce false results. I live in Ottawa, I watched it first hand when the Sens nearly got to the cup final a couple years ago - and had NO BUSINESS being there. Some luck on that one as well....some cancer, a motivated and well rested Craig Anderson, and rally point or two with Clarke McArthur.

Still....you gotta hand it to clever coaches who can get everyone to tow the rope in the same direction.

I like Cassidy this year for the Adams. I've watched a lot of bruins hockey this year - he's "coached". Moved players, shuffled, used goalies at the right times, rested players at others. A lot of aging, and moving parts in Boston. I hope he wins.
- Octavarium

Yes.

They were lucky to get cancer.

ok...so....the combo of Lehner and Greisse or just Lehner should win the Vezina then?

We all know that's not happening.
I agree I hate when systems produce false results. I live in Ottawa, I watched it first hand when the Sens nearly got to the cup final a couple years ago - and had NO BUSINESS being there. Some luck on that one as well....some cancer, a motivated and well rested Craig Anderson, and rally point or two with Clarke McArthur.

Still....you gotta hand it to clever coaches who can get everyone to tow the rope in the same direction.

I like Cassidy this year for the Adams. I've watched a lot of bruins hockey this year - he's "coached". Moved players, shuffled, used goalies at the right times, rested players at others. A lot of aging, and moving parts in Boston. I hope he wins.
- Octavarium

Cassidy has surprised me this year (in a good way)... Bruins have has a healthy roster for like 10 games all year and currently sit in 2nd in the league. Impressive work by Bruce.

Cooper
Trotz
Cassidy

would be my finalists with Cooper winning in the end because TB has just been too good

Cassidy has surprised me this year (in a good way)... Bruins have has a healthy roster for like 10 games all year and currently sit in 2nd in the league. Impressive work by Bruce.

Cooper
Trotz
Cassidy

would be my finalists with Cooper winning in the end because TB has just been too good
- MrBeanTown

I'm admittedly biased but, just like the guy with the most points isn't always the MVP, you can make a strong argument that the best coach isn't necessarily the one with the most wins. Cooper's a fantastic coach, don't get me wrong here, but he's also been given a veritable all-star team to manage by his front office. Frankly, the Lightning's front office deserves more awards than anyone.

Trotz took a team that everyone, myself included, expected to be battling for Jack Hughes and has them battling for first in their division going into the playoffs.

I don't think you can just look at the best team in the league and pick their coach to win the Jack Adams because they won the most games. It's not unreasonable to do it, but I think a lot more comes into play than just that.

Cassidy has surprised me this year (in a good way)... Bruins have has a healthy roster for like 10 games all year and currently sit in 2nd in the league. Impressive work by Bruce.

Cooper
Trotz
Cassidy

would be my finalists with Cooper winning in the end because TB has just been too good
- MrBeanTown

Bruins are actually 3rd in the league (also behind the Flames). Tied in points but Flames have 3 more ROW than Bruins and are +19 Diff better than the Bruins.

Flames missed the playoffs in 2017-2018 and finished in 20th place in the league with 84 points.
Bruins were in the playoffs in 2017-2018 and finished 4th place in the league with 112 pts.

Looks to me like Peters needs to be added to your list, ahead of Cassidy!

Doesn't matter really though because Trotz should win ahead of all the guys in the discussion. Isles went from 22 in the league and 80 points with the worst GA in the league to the best GA in the league this year and in 1st place in their division.

I love when Tanner bashes the isles

- eichiefs9

I don't blame you for not understanding my point, you're not much of an understanding basic concepts guy.
- James_Tanner

You should be a little more respectful of the people who read your blog. We get it you think you're smarter than all of us. As far as the Isles go maybe you're leaving out the human element that they have something to prove because everyone wrote them off after 91 left. As a life long fan I really don't care if it's not sustainable by analytics I am enjoying a successful season by my team that hasn't happened too often lately. Keep your charts and graphs I'll watch the games

IT BETTER GO TO COACH REIRDY

You should be a little more respectful of the people who read your blog. We get it you think you're smarter than all of us. As far as the Isles go maybe you're leaving out the human element that they have something to prove because everyone wrote them off after 91 left. As a life long fan I really don't care if it's not sustainable by analytics I am enjoying a successful season by my team that hasn't happened too often lately. Keep your charts and graphs I'll watch the games
- Tedge77

Ignorant people can’t avoid thinking that they are smart. The epitome of one James "i'm uber smart and educated" Tanner...

Ignorant people can’t avoid thinking that they are smart. The epitome of one James "i'm uber smart and educated" Tanner...


- MnGump

C-
- BINGO!

please?

C-
- BINGO!

Don't be a jerk.

Don't be a jerk.
- tomburton99

Right!
At least a B-

Right!
At least a B-
- camfor

with a you're in there, it would've been a straight A

with a you're in there, it would've been a straight A
- 21peter

=ok... So C+
Happy!?

Insane to think a coach on pace for legendary status isn't even in the discussion by the popular opinion.
- AdamFrench

It's probably because he has the most talented team of the cap era, and it feels kind of cheap.

Either you think coaching plays a big part in success in which case it has to be Trotz, or you don't and it's Cooper.

Bruins are actually 3rd in the league (also behind the Flames). Tied in points but Flames have 3 more ROW than Bruins and are +19 Diff better than the Bruins.

Flames missed the playoffs in 2017-2018 and finished in 20th place in the league with 84 points.
Bruins were in the playoffs in 2017-2018 and finished 4th place in the league with 112 pts.

Looks to me like Peters needs to be added to your list, ahead of Cassidy!

Doesn't matter really though because Trotz should win ahead of all the guys in the discussion. Isles went from 22 in the league and 80 points with the worst GA in the league to the best GA in the league this year and in 1st place in their division.
- hags11

Sorry that I didn't specify tied for second place... Either way Bruins have suffered all season with crazy amount of injuries playing extended time without McAvoy, Bergeron, Pastrnak, Chara, DeBrusk, Krug etc... Just pointing out he has overachieved and has done a great job and should at least be considered

It's not a binary situation where because I don't think he deserves ALL the credit that he deserves none. I just think when goalies play at this level it is 100% just a fluke. Let's see how the Islanders do when their goaltender regresses.

There is no defensive system in the NHL that can lead to a goalie stopping 93% of the shots on a long-term basis. If you take that away, they're fighting for a playoff spot, which is exactly where their team, with a mostly bad roster and good coaching, should be.
- James_Tanner

While I understand your position on this, I think you have to look at his body of work to see that he routinely makes goalies look better than they should have otherwise. Chris Mason was a borderline Vezina contender year after year under Trotz, but never played well under another system. I see the same with Turco and other goalies under Tippet. Some coaches just allow their goalies to routinely over-perform expectations. In Long Island, the goalies were pretty much understood to be the Achilles’ heel of the team in the pre-season. By specifically targeting that aspect of the game, the forward group have had the talent to pull out the wins. I’d love to see a WOWY value for goalies with respect to coaches to see how their values change.

James Tanner: Coach of the Year - It's Not Barrie Trotz
- James_Tanner

https://editorinleaf.com/...-leafs-fire-mike-babcock/

Level of take-atude:

It's irrelevant. We're just trying to predict the future.

Will the Islanders' hot run last another five games? Very probable. Ten games? less probable, 20 more games, much less probable, etc.

One of the reason people complain about advanced stats is that they exist to give a probable outcome of the future. Something with 80% probability is very likely to occur, but will not occur one out of five times.

The NHL Media on the other hand, tends to act like whatever is happening today will keep going that way forever and ever.
- James_Tanner

Bold A: No it isn't. You stated "long-term". Define it. I don't know why you won't answer the mans question.

Bold B: By my calculations the Islanders are 89% through their schedule. How can you suggest that they can't maintain this for the rest of the season? When in your own words there's an 80% probability it will occur.

Now, let's get something straight. As an Islanders fan, I don't see them doing much in the playoffs. They just don't have the horses. Then again, they've shocked the entire league by being where they are at this point. At the beginning of the season, I stated (in the Isles blogs) that I would consider it a successful season if the culture of the organization changed and Lou at least started to point the ship in the right direction. Done. How far they go this season is irrelevant to me now since they've very much outperformed what myself and everybody else thought they would do. It's all gravy at this point. This off-season will be the tell as to what the future holds for the Isles.
So once again. Answer the mans question and define "long-term". You used it as part of your argument, now define it.

Still waiting on that definition