Ha I had a temp assignment with Bain today so no. I do need to figure out what I’m doing for St Paddy’s this Sunday though.
- Victoro311

The Batman character?

The one thing that’s very hard to do is adjust what the scoring would be based on the era.

Would gretz or mario score similar number of goals as Ovie if they played today? Would Ovie put up similar goal numbers in their era?

I’d say you can argue all three have an argument for best goal scorer ever. You can base it on numbers, looking at the impossible types of goals they scored, etc...

I don’t think anyone can definitively claim one is the best.
- Rinosaur

True and I’d take the best all around player in this case. Only talking goals won’t do it for me.
I’d rather have Jagr, Crosby, Lemieux or Malkin than Ovechkin.

True and I’d take the best all around player in this case. Only talking goals won’t do it for me.
I’d rather have Jagr, Crosby, Lemieux or Malkin than Ovechkin.
- Barnaby36

Crosby, Lemieux, and Malkin also each play center, which is a higher impact position. I think the other guys over Ovechkin are no brainers. Malkin is more of a toss up, but I'd still take Geno due to position played and more dynamic game when "on", but I also might be biased there.

True and I’d take the best all around player in this case. Only talking goals won’t do it for me.
I’d rather have Jagr, Crosby, Lemieux or Malkin than Ovechkin.
- Barnaby36

So you just change the parameters of the discussion to fit your bias?

True and I’d take the best all around player in this case. Only talking goals won’t do it for me.
I’d rather have Jagr, Crosby, Lemieux or Malkin than Ovechkin.
- Barnaby36

We’re talking about straight up goal scoring.

Is it far-fetched to think Gudbranson was just unhappy in Vancouver so he didn’t play well?
- Rinosaur

"I'm dying alive"

Crosby, Lemieux, and Malkin also each play center, which is a higher impact position. I think the other guys over Ovechkin are no brainers. Malkin is more of a toss up, but I'd still take Geno due to position played and more dynamic game when "on", but I also might be biased there.
- Victoro311

It is/was great to see the way Jagr, Crosby, Malkin and Lemieux can/could score goals. So many different ways. Ovechkin has the best slap shot I’ve seen...I’d say he’s less skilled than all the ones I mentioned above but it’s no detriment. He can put the puck in the net with his special shot.

So you just change the parameters of the discussion to fit your bias?
- Feds91Stammer

And you only ask dumb questions just to try to prove your love for Ovi/Tatar?

I will say this regarding the goal scoring...

Nobody had a better wrist shot than Ovie, nobody. Now, I don't know if you want to call it finishing ability or the ability to score those skilled type goals that only a handful of people on the planet can score? I think that argument goes more toward Wayne and Mario. Not that Ovie hasn't scored those type of goals, but I just think that edge goes to Mario and Wayne.

We’re talking about straight up goal scoring.
- Rinosaur

And I gave the guy an answer: Gretzky and Lemieux. He just doesn’t seem to accept a different opinion I guess.

And I gave the guy an answer: Gretzky and Lemieux. He just doesn’t seem to accept a different opinion I guess.
- Barnaby36

No, he's just interested to hear why you arrived at that decision.

I will say this regarding the goal scoring...

Nobody had a better wrist shot than Ovie, nobody. Now, I don't know if you want to call it finishing ability or the ability to score those skilled type goals that only a handful of people on the planet can score? I think that argument goes more toward Wayne and Mario. Not that Ovie hasn't scored those type of goals, but I just think that edge goes to Mario and Wayne.
- Rinosaur

Fair

No, he's just interested to hear why you arrived at that decision.
- Rinosaur

You already explained brightly to him what I think too. I just didn’t want to say it twice.

No, he's just interested to hear why you arrived at that decision.
- Rinosaur

No no no I am just here to argue about Tatar or something.

"I'm dying alive"
- Nucker101

sames tbh

I guess if I had to sit and do the math I’d look at goals-per-game by each player then somehow calculate the average goals scored by season in each era/season to create a relative comparison. Something along those lines, but I really don’t feel like doing that. I stare at numbers all day as it is lol

See how much above average goals scored in a season each player put up, etc...
- Rinosaur

^ Great post

"Erik Gudbranson and Marcus Pettersson have 55.15% of the shot attempts in their 96 minutes together. Erik Gudbranson and Elias Pettersson were 46.65% in their 196 minutes together. Try to make sense of that."

hmm, 3 other team-mates and 5 opposing skaters

No no no I am just here to argue about Tatar or something.
- Feds91Stammer

Haha you’re here to stir the pot

You already explained brightly to him what I think too. I just didn’t want to say it twice.
- Barnaby36

Ahh okay next time I will assume what rino says it what you also think. Thanks for clearing that up.

Haha you’re here to stir the pot
- Barnaby36

nah

"Even if there were some petulant fans who couldn’t do the same"

hahahahahaha......I spat out my water and fell to the ground rolling around with laughter. Ryan, when you look in the mirror do you even see a reflection?...... and yet calls other fans petulant.

Thanks for the huge laugh today RW!!

Yeah I really don’t know why anyone would take issue with what Gudbranson did there. He actually tangiably protected Guentzel there and gave a more than fair, non-dirty retaliation for an out of Hockey excessive hit on Pettersson. I’d have an issue if that little sequence was justifying his entire existence on this team thus far, but he’s playing great hockey right now.
- Victoro311

Agreed with this all. In saying that and seeing that you noticed that all happen I think the "deterrence" is exactly right there. Nobody can stop him from doing that ever. Ive brought it up like 5 times now I dont think he needs to fight 3 times a game or even once to help on that. He grabs the guy and pulls him outta the scrum and its over. Guentzel didnt have to take 3-5 punches in the mouth like he would have if it didnt get stopped. Thats where I think it comes in that Sid or Malkin or the superstars have a massive say in having that guy around so they dont have to eat 5 punches in the mouth every game 3 times a game. Then you get the people that say well just take the punches all game and you will get 3 power plays... First it isnt easy taking those punches all season even if they are called and second your PP when its hot only scores on 1 of 5 of them... We have seen Gudbranson alone break up scrums EVERY game so far without fighting yet and if I was the star player that the wilson type guys target that would make my job a fack of a lot easier from night to night.

was he on crack when he said this?

jk, bossy was solid. I think he's top 10 worthy but I find him to be severely overrated when I see lists put him in the top 3. I feel Esposito, granted played with another one of the GOATs, is really underrated.
- DeflatedPucks

Well, I have no idea what was is Fuhr's system when he said that. What I do remember is he was talking about Bossy's accuracy. When he was coming down the wing, if Fuhr gave him five hole-bang-five hole. If he covered the five hole and gave him far side-bang-far side.

Maybe Bossy just gave him fits like Halak does the Pens.

I will say this regarding the goal scoring...

Nobody had a better wrist shot than Ovie, nobody. Now, I don't know if you want to call it finishing ability or the ability to score those skilled type goals that only a handful of people on the planet can score? I think that argument goes more toward Wayne and Mario. Not that Ovie hasn't scored those type of goals, but I just think that edge goes to Mario and Wayne.
- Rinosaur

Of course it does. Mario and Wayne could score anyway anyhow anytime all situations. I would still rather have Crosby on the ice for the team I love during goal or die times. Ovi is a shot, or a big body check when he leaves his feet, he does both great and it works but that’s it.

since there's nothing else to rant about today....

in good news, the hagelin tribute video last nite was nice. in bad news, the guins are so (frank)ing dumb to be paying his salary with wsh. this team's mgmt is dumb if Friedman is correct in saying they tried to re-acquire him and the paperwork didn't go through because the (frank)ing brain trust didn't know about league rules prohibiting re-acquiring a player who they've retained salary on within a year. this is dave tallon-chi level ineptitude, approaching broncos faxgate level stupidity (but i still like elway)