Solid list ... I put Teemu before Espo and Hull simply for playing on a terrible expansion team and still filling it.
Plus his rookie season is top 3 ever for pure goal scoring.
- dozerD10

I have a hard time finding where Teemu slots. He had a great first season (best ever perhaps) and played on some subpar teams, but outside of the one season, he never really had another peak year.

Dunno about that...Semin is THE best slapper of all-time.
- DeflatedPucks

Hahah fair enough

was he on crack when he said this?

jk, bossy was solid. I think he's top 10 worthy but I find him to be severely overrated when I see lists put him in the top 3. I feel Esposito, granted played with another one of the GOATs, is really underrated.
- DeflatedPucks

Dude I played hockey with Espo a few years ago when I worked at the Lightning. He still has a hell of a shot. Ripped a few off the cross bar in warmups. It was impressive. He was still rocking all of his gear from the 70s/80s. Definitely one of the coolest moments of my life, playing puck with one of the best to ever lace em up.

Dude I played hockey with Espo a few years ago when I worked at the Lightning. He still has a hell of a shot. Ripped a few off the cross bar in warmups. It was impressive. He was still rocking all of his gear from the 70s/80s. Definitely one of the coolest moments of my life, playing puck with one of the best to ever lace em up.
- j.boyd919

Thats fvcking awesome.

Thats fvcking awesome.
- MattStrat

Yeah I’ve played with a handful of old NHLers, Andreychuk, Brian Bradley, Mathieu Garon, Fedentenko, and a few others that used to play for the Lightning but playing with Espo was by far the coolest experience. He played with no bucket and everything haha

Who is a better goal scorer than Ovi?
- Feds91Stammer

Lemieux and Gretzky

That tells me nothing about the chance of scoring on a breakaway.
- bochangs

If you can't understand it. That makes you an even bigger Aussie.

Lemieux and Gretzky
- Barnaby36

Fair enough but what are you basing this on?

Dude I played hockey with Espo a few years ago when I worked at the Lightning. He still has a hell of a shot. Ripped a few off the cross bar in warmups. It was impressive. He was still rocking all of his gear from the 70s/80s. Definitely one of the coolest moments of my life, playing puck with one of the best to ever lace em up.
- j.boyd919

thats (frank)ing cool. in a few decades kids will be talking about how they played with john scott and zegmus girgensons, some of the greatest allstars to ever lace them up

Fair enough but what are you basing this on?
- Feds91Stammer

Sample sizes.

Fair enough but what are you basing this on?
- Feds91Stammer

The one thing that’s very hard to do is adjust what the scoring would be based on the era.

Would gretz or mario score similar number of goals as Ovie if they played today? Would Ovie put up similar goal numbers in their era?

I’d say you can argue all three have an argument for best goal scorer ever. You can base it on numbers, looking at the impossible types of goals they scored, etc...

I don’t think anyone can definitively claim one is the best.

I dont get why you guys have to continually rip RW for throwing shade on players who played poorly for the Penguins. I see this all the time with fan groups. You can never say anything negative about a team/player, no matter how correct it actually is.
Sutter stunk when he was here. Gudbranson stunk in Vancouver. Johnson flat out stinks, he stunk in Columbus and he's lousy here.
The fancy stats don't always tell the whole story, but they sure match up with the Caps outshooting the Pens 41-30 last night. I'm happy Gudbranson is playing above the fancy stat numbers he had before coming to Pittsburgh. I hope it continues. I'd also point out that getting hemmed in your zone because of anchors like JJ isnt a good plan if you want to advance and survive long term in the Stanley Cup playoffs, but I'm sure I'd probably be vilified and crushed because Im not talking about how great GM JR and ALL of his acquisitions are just because they have a Pens uniform on.

It’s occurred to me that the Gudbranson trade is the anti-Brassard trade. Brassard had a decade or so sample size of being a really good player and there was no reason to think that he’d be bad let alone suck when we got him. The trade was good and completely busted. On the other hand, Gudbranson has a near decade long sample size of being one of the worst defensemen in the league and there was no reason to think that he’d be competent let alone good when we got him. The trade was bad, but here we are with it working out wonderfully thus far.

It’s occurred to me that the Gudbranson trade is the anti-Brassard trade. Brassard had a decade or so sample size of being a really good player and there was no reason to think that he’d be bad let alone suck when we got him. The trade was good and completely busted. On the other hand, Gudbranson has a near decade long sample size of being one of the worst defensemen in the league and there was no reason to think that he’d be competent let alone good when we got him. The trade was bad, but here we are with it working out wonderfully thus far.
- Victoro311

Is it far-fetched to think Gudbranson was just unhappy in Vancouver so he didn’t play well?

I wouldn't say he blew up Pettersson. He attacked Pettersson for nothing. He deserved an extra 2 for starting the poop. Too bad his head didn't hit the ice because he's the kind of player that deserves it. Not saying it's necessary, but it also doesn't hurt when you can stand up to a cheapshotting scumbag.
- madmike71

Yeah I really don’t know why anyone would take issue with what Gudbranson did there. He actually tangiably protected Guentzel there and gave a more than fair, non-dirty retaliation for an out of Hockey excessive hit on Pettersson. I’d have an issue if that little sequence was justifying his entire existence on this team thus far, but he’s playing great hockey right now.

The one thing that’s very hard to do is adjust what the scoring would be based on the era.

Would gretz or mario score similar number of goals as Ovie if they played today? Would Ovie put up similar goal numbers in their era?

I’d say you can argue all three have an argument for best goal scorer ever. You can base it on numbers, looking at the impossible types of goals they scored, etc...

I don’t think anyone can definitively claim one is the best.
- Rinosaur

Oh I agree. Just curious to hear the argument/rationale.

Is it far-fetched to think Gudbranson was just unhappy in Vancouver so he didn’t play well?
- Rinosaur

He sucked ass in Florida too and some of those teams were underrated. Remember this was the Fancy Cats era where they were analytic darlings and Gudbranson couldn’t drive possession to save his life there.

He sucked ass in Florida too and some of those teams were underrated. Remember this was the Fancy Cats era where they were analytic darlings and Gudbranson couldn’t drive possession to save his life there.
- Victoro311

Yeah. This is why I’m waiting for it to come crashing down. I hope it doesn’t.

Just wanted to take this opportunity to again say thanks for Spronger. Kid is a sniper and building confidence daily.
12G in 37 games and only 21. For whatever reason it didnt work in Pittsburgh it’s been a blessing for us. Marcus seems like a good fit, trade worked out for both of us.
- dozerD10

Yeah when a coach totally gives up on a prospect you’re lucky to come out with anything useful back for them, let alone a young cost controlled guy with upside (although I am admittedly a ton less bullish on him than others on here). I can gripe that he should have gotten a look where he was being deployed correctly, but I have no qualms with the trade itself after it was clear he was done here.

Oh I agree. Just curious to hear the argument/rationale.
- Feds91Stammer

I guess if I had to sit and do the math I’d look at goals-per-game by each player then somehow calculate the average goals scored by season in each era/season to create a relative comparison. Something along those lines, but I really don’t feel like doing that. I stare at numbers all day as it is lol

See how much above average goals scored in a season each player put up, etc...

Anyone that hates either of these two players is a moron.
- Feds91Stammer

I will not apologize for hating a player that has terrorized my team since entering the league. Rivalries make sports special.

Who is a better goal scorer than Ovi?
- Feds91Stammer

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I will not apologize for hating a player that has terrorized my team since entering the league. Rivalries make sports special.
- Victoro311

Its 3 pm you drunk yet?

Its 3 pm you drunk yet?
- Feds91Stammer

Ha I had a temp assignment with Bain today so no. I do need to figure out what I’m doing for St Paddy’s this Sunday though.

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- acdc1206

I'll allow it.