I can only see his current PDO which looks to be very good. What is it since Matta has been gone?
- Rinosaur

107. I posted some stats on Fridays thread I believe.

107. I posted some stats on Fridays thread I believe.
- Feds91Stammer

Yeah, that seems high. Admittedly I only started paying attention to PDO recently and I'm not sure how valid it is in the world of fancies.

I imagine being somewhere between 97 and 103 mean you're not grossly under/over performing, but going further than those numbers it's more than likely quite telling.

Yeah, that seems high. Admittedly I only started paying attention to PDO recently and I'm not sure how valid it is in the world of fancies.

I imagine being somewhere between 97 and 103 mean you're not grossly under/over performing, but going further than those numbers it's more than likely quite telling.
- Rinosaur

5v5 via Natural Stat Trick CF% SCF% HDCF% GF%
Left Side (Post Maatta Injury) 44.9% 44.5% 50.0% 66.7%
Right Side (Pre Maatta Injury) 45.8% 48.4% 47.3% 39.0%


All I see is a guy with a 107 PDO since 2/13/19

5v5 via Natural Stat Trick CF% SCF% HDCF% GF%
Left Side (Post Maatta Injury) 44.9% 44.5% 50.0% 66.7%
Right Side (Pre Maatta Injury) 45.8% 48.4% 47.3% 39.0%


All I see is a guy with a 107 PDO since 2/13/19
- Feds91Stammer

Now is there any relativity involved with this stat? From how I understand it, hovering right around 100 is where you want to be to get an accurate snapshot of how a player's normal performance is, but is 100 relative to their play or does 100 mean they're playing well?

Vic, see above... he is far above his head. As is Gudrowilson.

As long as they keep overachieving it's fine. Ups the trade value so we can keep those who have done better over the entire career sample size. Like many here, I fear when they come down to earth.
- Guile

He's not over achieving, though... He's still playing poorly, that's my point. PDO has nothing to do with your actual play, so having a high PDO isn't indicative of good play. Gudbranson is overachieving by his standards, but not Johnson.

He's not over achieving, though... He's still playing poorly, that's my point. PDO has nothing to do with your actual play, so having a high PDO isn't indicative of good play. Gudbranson is overachieving by his standards, but not Johnson.
- Victoro311

Ahhh, you just answered my question to Feds. That makes more sense. It's relative to their "normal" level of play.

He's 22 years old a 2nd round/38th overall pick. As you said, he shows all the tools to be a 2nd pairing guy. I'm just at the point where I'm not ready to say what he definitely is or isn't.

Vic already has him as a #5 guy and I think it's just too soon to make a judgement either way.
- Rinosaur

I'm just remembering the insane love Oleksiak got around here when we acquired him. JO was a solid two years older than Pettersson, but I mean, Pettersson will be 23 in May. That's not super young from a hockey development stand point. By next year, Pettersson will likely be what he's gonna be for the rest of his prime, so I'd be cautious about getting too high of expectations for a defenseman that's already far along in his development curve and doesn't have a super intriguing physical toolset.

Yeah, that seems high. Admittedly I only started paying attention to PDO recently and I'm not sure how valid it is in the world of fancies.

I imagine being somewhere between 97 and 103 mean you're not grossly under/over performing, but going further than those numbers it's more than likely quite telling.
- Rinosaur

Doing some quick looks of 17-18 PDO of skaters with 300+ mins at 5v5

652 skaters

Average PDO 99.9

65.6% fall with 98 and 102

Doing some quick looks of 17-18 PDO of skaters with 300+ mins at 5v5

652 skaters

Average PDO 99.9

65.6% fall with 98 and 102
- Feds91Stammer

Worst 5 in PDO

Carter Rowney
Andrej Sekera
Ben Harpur
Johan Larsson
Tony DeAngelo

Best 5 PDO

Auston Matthews
William Nylander
Yanni Gourde
William Karlsson
Jack Roslovic

Ahhh, you just answered my question to Feds. That makes more sense. It's relative to their "normal" level of play.
- Rinosaur

Its not necessarily relative. Its a goalie and shooting percentage stat mixed together to try and measure the amount of "luck" (broadly defined) you're having when you're on the ice. High PDO usually means that either your goalie is standing on his head, your line is scoring at a crazy rate, or some mixture of both. PDO can be consistently high if you have prime Henrik Lundqvist backstopping you, or if you're the Sid/Guentzel duo that's sniping their way to 40 goal seasons, but the important thing is to identify what that standard line of PDO is and then measure a player's current PDO against what you think that standard is. 107 isn't standard. Murray's stopping everything and its making Johnson look more competent than he is, as indicated by the rest of his metrics not being good.

I'm just remembering the insane love Oleksiak got around here when we acquired him. JO was a solid two years older than Pettersson, but I mean, Pettersson will be 23 in May. That's not super young from a hockey development stand point. By next year, Pettersson will likely be what he's gonna be for the rest of his prime, so I'd be cautious about getting too high of expectations for a defenseman that's already far along in his development curve and doesn't have a super intriguing physical toolset.
- Victoro311

I'm just saying I don't have any specific expectations as I think it's too early for a 22 year old player who has played the equivalent of one season, but I do feel whatever we see from him after next year is likely what we're going to get.

Agree on Gudbranson. Though I am not sure we are talking enough about Marcus Pettersson. How good is this guy?

His metrics have been above average to very good while being partnered with Jack Johnson and Erik Gudbranson. He's playing a lot of minutes and, other than some small inconsistencies, has been rock solid. GMJR's comparison of Dumoulin may not be as far-fetched as I once thought.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Is he the Niskanen 2.0? Makes all of his line mates look better.

I'm just remembering the insane love Oleksiak got around here when we acquired him. JO was a solid two years older than Pettersson, but I mean, Pettersson will be 23 in May. That's not super young from a hockey development stand point. By next year, Pettersson will likely be what he's gonna be for the rest of his prime, so I'd be cautious about getting too high of expectations for a defenseman that's already far along in his development curve and doesn't have a super intriguing physical toolset.
- Victoro311

I liked JO and thought they gave up on him too early, but I really don't like comparing them.

JO is an event creator: big hits and a big shot so he's splashy, but also a guy who blows lots of assignments and makes poor pinches that he didn't create enough offense to counter for. There is more book/bust to his game. I don't think enough people paid attention to the bust part early.

Pettersson is more of a modern defensive defenseman like Dumoulin and Maatta who makes the safer play while moving the puck well. His game is more subtle, but the decision making is way better. I don't think he'll ever carry even a second pairing (but do either Dumoulin or Maatta). I can see him surpassing Maatta though due to superior skating and reach as the game continues to slow down with more experience.

To me it’s obvious that Pettersson sits, unfortunately. My guess is the following...

Dumo/Letang
Maatta/Schultz
JJ/Gudbranson

However, I wouldn’t be shocked for Maatta play with Guds to shelter his minutes until he gets his sealegs back.
- Rinosaur

Yikes! Pettersson needs to be on that bottom pair, and JJ/Gudbranson can fight to the death for the last spot.

Literally fight to the death btw.

I liked JO and thought they gave up on him too early, but I really don't like comparing them.

JO is an event creator: big hits and a big shot so he's splashy, but also a guy who blows lots of assignments and makes poor pinches that he didn't create enough offense to counter for. There is more book/bust to his game. I don't think enough people paid attention to the bust part early.

Pettersson is more of a modern defensive defenseman like Dumoulin and Maatta who makes the safer play while moving the puck well. His game is more subtle, but the decision making is way better. I don't think he'll ever carry even a second pairing (but do either Dumoulin or Maatta). I can see him surpassing Maatta though due to superior skating and reach as the game continues to slow down with more experience.
- Tojo.

Too early? Dude is 26 and has 200+ NHL games. He is a 7th D man. Thats it.

anyone know anything about Jake Lucchini? Just agreed to a 1-year deal with the Pens.

anyone know anything about Jake Lucchini? Just agreed to a 1-year deal with the Pens.
- iworkatinitech

Future career AHLer

Future career AHLer
- Feds91Stammer

Kind of figured with a 1-year deal for a non-drafted player but wasn't sure.

I think you are going to see Maata sitting. He will get into a few games but he will be their 7thD come playoff time.

Rightfully so too. This D group has held their own since Gud came in and Johnson is doing well enough on his natural side. This is actually a really solid D group if Letang comes back healthy.

Dumo-Letang
JJ-Schultz
Petterson-Gud

Too early? Dude is 26 and has 200+ NHL games. He is a 7th D man. Thats it.
- Feds91Stammer

Too soon here, basically gave up on him because he and Maatta weren't meshing. (When they also decided JJ was fine on the right). Thought in the 3rd pairing RD role they used first JJ now Gudbranson in. Beyond that I'd agree with you.

I'm just saying I don't have any specific expectations as I think it's too early for a 22 year old player who has played the equivalent of one season, but I do feel whatever we see from him after next year is likely what we're going to get.
- Rinosaur

I really like him and Gud together. I hope Gud can teach him how to be a bit nastier He can for sure be a top 4 D for the Pens in the longer term.

Kind of figured with a 1-year deal for a non-drafted player but wasn't sure.
- iworkatinitech

1 year is standard ELC length for a 24 year old. I say career AHLer based on age and NCAA production.

Too early? Dude is 26 and has 200+ NHL games. He is a 7th D man. Thats it.
- Feds91Stammer

He could have been a really solid bottom pair LD but Pens just had 4 guys to fill 2 LD spots.

He could have been a really solid bottom pair LD but Pens just had 4 guys to fill 2 LD spots.
- MacPatty

Also overpaid for a 3rd pair guy.

anyone know anything about Jake Lucchini? Just agreed to a 1-year deal with the Pens.
- iworkatinitech

Josh Wilkins is the player to watch for the pens to sign when his season is finished.