Fair enough glak
- gravyboy33

Now out of curiosity and a parallel universe, what if Giroux and Malkin swapped teams for their career. Would the Pens still win the same amount of cups, would production from both be the same, more or less?

Comparing the two is interesting. One could argue that Giroux had less talent to work with around him, but on the only side Malkin seemed to play his best hockey when Crosby was out of the lineup. Pure skill Malkin is more talented, but I believe Giroux has been the better overall player in all facets of the game.
- Glak18

I think it’s a worthwhile discussion. I just can’t go back and forth over the Simmonds hit anymore and the rest of the season outlook is looking pretty bleak for both teams.

I think the talent around argument cuts both ways. You can argue that Crosby draws top defensive pairs, but besides a few seasons with Neal (who probably benefited just as much from Malkin as the other way around), Malkin was compiling hefty assist totals with guys like ruslan fedotenko, the corpse of Petr sykora, et al.

Malkin at his best provided a level that giroux couldn’t sniff. However, giroux just continually marched on with stacking years of seemingly 90 point seasons after another.

For all the talk the pens stars got for being playoff chokers, Malkin is also one of the objectively top playoff performers of his generation. I’m not including cups and things because that’s a variable that includes far more than just each of the individuals themselves, but overall playoff performance tilts for Malkin.

I think it’s a worthwhile discussion. I just can’t go back and forth over the Simmonds hit anymore and the rest of the season outlook is looking pretty bleak for both teams.

I think the talent around argument cuts both ways. You can argue that Crosby draws top defensive pairs, but besides a few seasons with Neal (who probably benefited just as much from Malkin as the other way around), Malkin was compiling hefty assist totals with guys like ruslan fedotenko, the corpse of Petr sykora, et al.

Malkin at his best provided a level that giroux couldn’t sniff. However, giroux just continually marched on with stacking years of seemingly 90 point seasons after another.

For all the talk the pens stars got for being playoff chokers, Malkin is also one of the objectively top playoff performers of his generation. I’m not including cups and things because that’s a variable that includes far more than just each of the individuals themselves, but overall playoff performance tilts for Malkin.
- stayinthefnnet

If Malkin was, in the words of Ek, "the man" on another team, do you think he would of had a greater impact for that team or production?

Which is still 250 more points in only 40 more games, it’s not even close
- gravyboy33

Like I said, I would go with Malkin ten times out of ten. But I do think it’s an interesting debate. To me Malkin at his peak was the most purely talented player in the league, but consistency was obviously an issue. Giroux isn’t a scrub by any means, but didn’t have the same level of skill. He just simply produced like a machine year in and year out. Never the best, but always right there in the mix.

Agreed!
- joegreif17

Hey Joe if you wanna insult me come do it in the flyers thread instead of running away and hiding like the little weasel you are

If Malkin was, in the words of Ek, "the man" on another team, do you think he would of had a greater impact for that team or production?
- Glak18

Not being cocky, but it’s hard to have had a greater impact for team achievement or personal accomplishment as it stands. Three cups in the modern cap era, part of the largest active playoff streak on the league (I think?), and his numbers are largely only limited by health which is likely something that stays the same regardless of location.

Like I said, I would go with Malkin ten times out of ten. But I do think it’s an interesting debate. To me Malkin at his peak was the most purely talented player in the league, but consistency was obviously an issue. Giroux isn’t a scrub by any means, but didn’t have the same level of skill. He just simply produced like a machine year in and year out. Never the best, but always right there in the mix.
- stayinthefnnet

Yeah I pretty much feel the same way. I mean if you look at the career of Ron Francis he had the numbers out the wahzoo, but you never hear his name mentioned with the greats of all time.

Now out of curiosity and a parallel universe, what if Giroux and Malkin swapped teams for their career. Would the Pens still win the same amount of cups, would production from both be the same, more or less?
- Glak18

then malkin would be grabbing asses and giroux searching for another team to become the man

Not being cocky, but it’s hard to have had a greater impact for team achievement or personal accomplishment as it stands. Three cups in the modern cap era, part of the largest active playoff streak on the league (I think?), and his numbers are largely only limited by health which is likely something that stays the same regardless of location.
- stayinthefnnet

I personally think Malkin wouldn't have the same team success, which it depends which team, but I really think he would of produced more if he was the main focal point. That alone I think is impressive given what he did in the shadow of Crosby.

then malkin would be grabbing asses and giroux searching for another team to become the man
- DeflatedPucks

There is no evidence that he hasn't

In regards to Malkin vs Giroux, Malkin is better. He at his best can be ansolutely dominate and is constantly clutch in the playoffs. I don't think the Gap is huge, but I'm not sure it's too much of a debate (and Giroux is my favorite player)

In regards to points, you have to remember that Malkin was getting consistent top minutes and PP usage since he came into the league, and Giroux had a few years where he was not a top two options on the team.

But all in all, Malkin is better. Both are great players and it's been cool to watch them battle over the years

Hey Joe if you wanna insult me come do it in the flyers thread instead of running away and hiding like the little weasel you are
- bulet13

In regards to Malkin vs Giroux, Malkin is better. He at his best can be ansolutely dominate and is constantly clutch in the playoffs. I don't think the Gap is huge, but I'm not sure it's too much of a debate (and Giroux is my favorite player)

In regards to points, you have to remember that Malkin was getting consistent top minutes and PP usage since he came into the league, and Giroux had a few years where he was not a top two options on the team.

But all in all, Malkin is better. Both are great players and it's been cool to watch them battle over the years
- bulet13

Still impressive for a player drafted late first round to be even be in a discussion with top drafted players.

Now the real debate is not Crosby, but Malkin Vs Ovi. What if Washington drafted Malkin instead.

Still impressive for a player drafted late first round to be even be in a discussion with top drafted players.

Now the real debate is not Crosby, but Malkin Vs Ovi. What if Washington drafted Malkin instead.
- Glak18

That’s an interesting one. What OV is still doing now is (frank)ing unreal.

Still impressive for a player drafted late first round to be even be in a discussion with top drafted players.

Now the real debate is not Crosby, but Malkin Vs Ovi. What if Washington drafted Malkin instead.
- Glak18

Love Geno but it’s OV all day everyday

Giroux was what a 1st rounder picked in the 20’s.
Malkin was what a second overall.
Draft status is more expectations that a kids skill set will translate to the NHL and what kind of impact he will have.
Giroux was not big enough for scouts I guess. I thought he was done during the 2016-2017 season. Giroux is a star player.
Malkin is without a doubt a better overall player.
While I really don’t like Malkin and wouldn’t want him on the Flyers reality is he is bottom tier superstar level.
If he was able to be consistent and focus his play towards taking over games rather than retaliation when he gets rattled he would be that much better.
It’s no secret that Malkin can be taken off his game.
In saying that you have to respect him when he is on the ice.

Some rumors have Penguins checking in on Colin Miller from Vegas and Kovalchuk. Penguin scouts also at the Buffalo game the other day. I guess JR is still bargain shopping.

Some rumors have Penguins checking in on Colin Miller from Vegas and Kovalchuk. Penguin scouts also at the Buffalo game the other day. I guess JR is still bargain shopping.
- 123Kid

I'd offer Buffalo Pearson for Sheary straight up. It'll never happen, but I'd love to get some speed back on the wings.

And massive no on Kovy. Kovy from 3 years ago? Sure. Kovy, at this cap hit? Hell no.

I'd offer Buffalo Pearson for Sheary straight up. It'll never happen, but I'd love to get some speed back on the wings.

And massive no on Kovy. Kovy from 3 years ago? Sure. Kovy, at this cap hit? Hell no.
- SuperHenderson13

Kovy would have salary retained. He doesnt have much value with his current cap hit thankfully

Some rumors have Penguins checking in on Colin Miller from Vegas and Kovalchuk. Penguin scouts also at the Buffalo game the other day. I guess JR is still bargain shopping.
- 123Kid

The only reason they would consider Kovy at all is if they are trading Kessel. You'd really only bring him in if you wanted to upgrade the LW shooting spot on the first PP.

Ek is saying Cody Ceci to Pens

I'd offer Buffalo Pearson for Sheary straight up. It'll never happen, but I'd love to get some speed back on the wings.

And massive no on Kovy. Kovy from 3 years ago? Sure. Kovy, at this cap hit? Hell no.
- SuperHenderson13

Gawd no. What are you trying to do kill me?

Ek is saying Cody Ceci to Pens
- 123Kid

This will actually be great. I mean look, why not find a RD who's as bad as Jack Johnson and pair them together. Maybe their pooptiness will cancel out?

This will actually be great. I mean look, why not find a RD who's as bad as Jack Johnson and pair them together. Maybe their pooptiness will cancel out?
- Rinosaur

Ceci scratched tonight too 🙄 god help us

Ek is saying Cody Ceci to Pens
- 123Kid

This would be so terrible, but oh so Jim Rutherford. A top four including Jack Johnson & Cody Ceci (assuming when Dumo & Letang are out) makes me want to vomit.