Yea I didn't get that comment either. No way would Stan need to include a player to "get rid" of AA. He may not get a lot for him, but no way would a team need to be enticed to take him off the Hawks hands.
- kwolf68

2 years left at 4 and half million? Was not advocating that, but might need to happen. Who knows.

2 years left at 4 and half million? Was not advocating that, but might need to happen. Who knows.
- z1990z

What do you think it cost for a 3C these days?

But they are important at times - PP/PK, late in close games where possession is critical....
- StLBravesFan

Sure they are. And if they won two more per game, they'd be ranked 2nd in %. They'd be considered a good faceoff team, yet they'd still lose about 27 per game. Of course, everyone would still rant at one particular important faceoff loss.

If the thought now is to not play for a PO push (since this weekend broke that thought), I can see Chicago being a 3rd team in a trade, taking an expiring salary and draft picks, so another team can pick up someone for a stronger push.

Why trade Saad?

25-50 guy, 200 foot player, he’s been driving that third line and scoring 5x5, CF% is higher than his OZ start %, one of the few Hawks who drives and goes to the net, still young at 26 - $6MM, true, but so what - cap isn’t particularly an issue now.

Seems to me the only issue with him is that many are still pining for Panarin....

I think Saad is someone you trade for to move your rebuild forward.
- StLBravesFan

Wasn't thinking about Panarin. That ship sailed already.

I get your points, certainly. He seems to be cast here as a luxury for a Cup contending team more than as a necessary building block for a rebuild.
Is he meant to be a 3LW at this cap hit? And they are going to need room next summer to renew 12 and 17.

I guess I was hoping Saad would break out from this plateau by this age. He is a bit slump prone, and he is not as aggressive with the puck when crossing the blue line as he was in his first stint here. He is an a salary without clauses, and that means he becomes a path of least resistance to clearing cap space.

Guys and girls,I really don’t think the Hawks will be active at the trade deadline.Go with what they have and see if they could get in.I don’t see them doing much anyways.Our d is just plain awful

Lots of dumb to go around. Picking out one play as an argument? He has been an integral part of how well the team has played lately. Any credit for a couple great Defensive plays that likely saved point blank chances on our net?
- kwolf68

I am not going to blame Saad for the loss or say anything about his game other than I believe he needs to be motivated by the coach every once in a while. Happened under Colliton this season. I have no problem keeping him although I do think he at times under achieved. I believe we need his size and speed in our lineup

I was merely pointing out that he blew a possible last effort to tie the score by not being careful where and when he dumped the puck in their zone.

You can't mistake yours or most of ours opinions for how these guys are valued around the league. We have seen not so good players get traded for more than we ever imagined. Bollig got a 3rd at one point. And multiple teams gave up something for John Scott.

I am okay with the addition by subtraction concept, too. I rather watch guys who may have something to add or develop at this point than watching Kunitz be late to everything. Kruger squander offense. Perlini take a shift. Gustafsson, PooPoo or Forsling turn the puck over.
- Elbows15

I'm not saying that Stan can't trade some of those guys but they wouldn't be needle moving trades - more like "who cares" kinds of trades.

I am not going to blame Saad for the loss or say anything about his game other than I believe he needs to be motivated by the coach every once in a while. Happened under Colliton this season. I have no problem keeping him although I do think he at times under achieved. I believe we need his size and speed in our lineup

I was merely pointing out that he blew a possible last effort to tie the score by not being careful where and when he dumped the puck in their zone.
- jhawk59

No problem with you pointing out mistakes that Saad (or any player) makes. It's all good.

He is having his best season ever. So this is getting old. Maybe he loses FOs cause he is the only one taking them for the most part.
- Elbows15

I hear and or see what Toews has done this season. Yes the points are getting old. Yes the old Toews won more at the dot. Fact. Yes he is having his best SCORING season. Fact. Yes his game has changed and he is still a good player
But he is not battling for the puck and taking all the mugging and abuse that he used to take. Fact. He has turned away from physical battles; avoids them sometimes whereas in his Cup years he rarely did so. Fact.

I am not even going to discuss if he is overpaid..He is probably going to be a Blackhawk for life. I hope his body holds up and while he is not the same player I liked better, nonetheless he is worth keeping
Not as highly valued #1 center but i understand why. If you don't agree this then you are flat out wrong. Tv radio and eye test in person says so.

And i do apologize for talking these points again. Toews loosing face offe today was not why we lost btw. As i am sure you know.

Let's drop this discussion. You post often logical good posts which I read. Darn auto correct changes the words so I need to be careful to thoroughly check before posting. Just re checked and fixed.

If the thought now is to not play for a PO push (since this weekend broke that thought), I can see Chicago being a 3rd team in a trade, taking an expiring salary and draft picks, so another team can pick up someone for a stronger push.
- powerenforcer

I like this idea. The cap space for this season doesn't carry over and they should have enough unallocated cap space next season to carry a dead cap hit - just be sure it's off the books before the 2020/21 season.

What trades has SB made yet?
- powerenforcer

Minor move - Iacopelli traded to LA for Spencer Watson (LA).

Nothing to see here.

Think Stan makes a couple small moves tomorrow.

I'm not saying that Stan can't trade some of those guys but they wouldn't be needle moving trades - more like "who cares" kinds of trades.
- EbonyRaptor

Oh, then I agree. We never know though. Gaustad got a 1st at one point and there are still GMs out there who do things that baffle us.

Minor move - Iacopelli traded to LA for Spencer Watson (LA).

Nothing to see here.

Think Stan makes a couple small moves tomorrow.
- Justin Lowe

That's an earth-shaker there. LOL

I hear and or see what Toews has done this season. Yes the points are getting old. Yes the old Toews won more at the dot. Fact. Yes he is having his best SCORING season. Fact. Yes his game has changed and he is still a good player
But he is not battling for the puck and taking all the mugging and abuse that he used to take. Fact. He has turned away from physical battles; avoids them sometimes whereas in his Cup years he rarely did so. Fact.

I am not even going to discuss if he is overpaid..He is probably going to be a Blackhawk for life. I hope his body holds up and while he is not the same player I liked better, nonetheless he is worth keeping
Not as highly valued #1 center but i understand why. If you don't agree this then you are flat out wrong. Tv radio and eye test in person says so.

And i do apologize for talking these points again. Toews loosing face offe today was not why we lost btw. As i am sure you know.

Let's drop this discussion. You post often logical good posts which I read. Darn auto correct changes the words so I need to be careful to thoroughly check before posting. Just re checked and fixed.
- jhawk59

Ok but none of what you are saying is true regarding Toews, tho.

That's a good trade for the Sabres. Guhle who has fallen out of favor and a later 1st for Montour? Hawks could definitely get a 1st for Gustafsson. And shoould.

That's an earth-shaker there. LOL
- kwolf68

You don't see many ECHL trades being reported. lol

Oh, then I agree. We never know though. Gaustad got a 1st at one point and there are still GMs out there who do things that baffle us.
- Elbows15

Manning got traded for Caggiula.

You don't see many ECHL trades being reported. lol
- Elbows15

No poop. LOL. But JL is totally on the job.

Manning got traded for Caggiula.
- tvetter

Weise and Condiments were traded for Danault and a 2nd.

Weise and Condiments were traded for Danault and a 2nd.
- Elbows15

Damnit, now you forced me to dig out my Stan Bowman voodoo doll and start poking pins into him. A PERFECT third liner, our new age Bolland, tough as nails to play against and some offensive flare.

That was a dippoop trade on every level.

Minor move - Iacopelli traded to LA for Spencer Watson (LA).

Nothing to see here.

Think Stan makes a couple small moves tomorrow.
- Justin Lowe

That would be moronic. Honestly.

Damnit, now you forced me to dig out my Stan Bowman voodoo doll and start poking pins into him. A PERFECT third liner, our new age Bolland, tough as nails to play against and some offensive flare.

That was a dippoop trade on every level.
- kwolf68

I was so angry the day that trade was made and it still pisses me off to no end. Made even worse by the contention that Q didn't use Weise correctly. Q made some strange choices for sure, but he wasn't wrong there. Traded for two guys who were a huge part of an incredible collapse in Montreal that season.

Danault makes about the same as Kruger.

Definitely move: Ward, Kunitz, and Kruger.

Try to move Anisimov + Sikura.

Maybe Forsling.
- RedRevenge

four of those guys have NMC and have expressed no desire to be moved; the other two maybe bring the UC a new zamboni

I was so angry the day that trade was made and it still pisses me off to no end. Made even worse by the contention that Q didn't use Weise correctly. Q made some strange choices for sure, but he wasn't wrong there. Traded for two guys who were a huge part of an incredible collapse in Montreal that season.

Danault makes about the same as Kruger.
- Elbows15

For the life of me I do NOT understand what Stan was thinking. Danault was a guy HE drafted WITH THE PICK (I think) HE GOT for Troy Bouwer.

In other words, Stan was getting it done and then smoked some crack and blew it all out the water.

NOT unlike the Leddy thing. Stan RAPES the Wild for Leddy and then he ends up trading him for trash because he waited too long to make a move.