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RickJ
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Burlington, ON
Joined: 01.12.2010

Feb 23 @ 12:48 PM ET
Randy Carlisle is available, ken Hitchcock will be available after the stellar job he did turning the oil aroud this year, Bruce Boudreau should be available after this year. Which would you prefer? They seem to all meet your criteria as to who coaches this team? Or a blast from the past Darryl Suttervalrhough the way the team is built and the league is going his style doesn’t t work in today s game.
- LAHawk

If you added Todd McClellan, Craig MacTavish, John Stephens and Mike Yeo to your list we could have a HockeyBuzz vote to select the next Hawk's coach.
z1990z
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: NW USA
Joined: 02.09.2012

Feb 23 @ 12:48 PM ET
See the natives are getting restless throughout the comment section.. lol

Damn, a win yesterday would have went a long way.

- mrpaulish


The circus known as our blue line is killing this team...
mrpaulish
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Itasca, IL
Joined: 01.18.2010

Feb 23 @ 12:49 PM ET
Joki had 9 points in 9 games at Rockford. This after winning the World Juniors. This after initially being paired with Keith. This after being Hawks First Rounder and having great final season in the WHL. So Hawks say: come on Joki you gotta show us at least something. Ludicrous.
- Z3Hawk



From The head coach:
As for Henri Jokiharju's demotion, Jeremy Colliton essentially said his seven best defensemen are the ones he has on the roster right now. Said those are the guys that give them the best chance to win. Said Jokiharju "is where he should be" and has been a pro about it.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Feb 23 @ 12:50 PM ET
To make the point even more - the 43 points in 58 games includes the point totals from Arizona where he had only 6 points in 20 games - his scoring with Chicago are a whole lot better than Kopitar.
- EbonyRaptor[/quot
Kopitar is an annual Selke finalist, Strome has a ways to go to be considered average defensively.
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Feb 23 @ 12:50 PM ET
From The head coach:
As for Henri Jokiharju's demotion, Jeremy Colliton essentially said his seven best defensemen are the ones he has on the roster right now. Said those are the guys that give them the best chance to win. Said Jokiharju "is where he should be" and has been a pro about it.

- mrpaulish


*searches for face palm gif*
z1990z
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: NW USA
Joined: 02.09.2012

Feb 23 @ 12:51 PM ET
From The head coach:
As for Henri Jokiharju's demotion, Jeremy Colliton essentially said his seven best defensemen are the ones he has on the roster right now. Said those are the guys that give them the best chance to win. Said Jokiharju "is where he should be" and has been a pro about it.

- mrpaulish



So he has Forsling above Joki???

RickJ
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Burlington, ON
Joined: 01.12.2010

Feb 23 @ 12:51 PM ET
Is he much better than Anisimov?

I’m not saying it’s a bad idea, I’m just not sold on him.

- DarthKane

Torts would make that deal in a NY minute. Doubt Bowman would.

Wennberg will be sitting on his ass in the press box now because the Jackets have P-L Dubois, Duchene, Dubinsky down the middle. They have a nice lineup.
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Feb 23 @ 12:57 PM ET
Under objective measures, the Hawks are worse under JC than under Q. And remember, Q did not have Murphy, Dahlstrom or Strome on his roster.

% of points earned DOWN from .500 to .489
Goals per game UP from 3.07 to 3.43 (JC’s one success)
Goal against per game EVEN AT 3.73 per game
5v5 Corsi for DOWN 51.5% to 47.8%

Those are the stubborn facts.

So even though Q ‘lost the room’ & ‘played favorites’, he did more, with a poorer roster, than JC.

Under JC, they are playing an unsustainable game, which will lead to long winning and losing streaks. It might be fun to watch, but it’s going to get you didly squatif they do get into the playoffs.

And playing Patrick Kane 25 minutes a night during the regular season is not a strategy. It what a coach who is panicked does.

- scottak


With Q as the season was going on the Hawks were playing worse, with JC, after the stigma of Q getting fired, the Hawks are playing better as a team.

No matter what you say Q is not coming back, this is where we're at now. To declare JC is a failure because he's not Q doesn't make much sense to me

No one in the NFL knew of Tomlin, but a savvy football organization that has a clue hired him, just like Harbaugh for the Ravens the list goes on. I believe this org has a clue, retreads seem to find there way too franchises that just don't know better.
Z3Hawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.04.2017

Feb 23 @ 1:02 PM ET
Randy Carlisle is available, ken Hitchcock will be available after the stellar job he did turning the oil aroud this year, Bruce Boudreau should be available after this year. Which would you prefer? They seem to all meet your criteria as to who coaches this team? Or a blast from the past Darryl Suttervalrhough the way the team is built and the league is going his style doesn’t t work in today s game.
- LAHawk


What makes you believe I would be interested in any of the Coaches you mentioned?
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Feb 23 @ 1:02 PM ET
If you added Todd McClellan, Craig MacTavish, John Stephens and Mike Yeo to your list we could have a HockeyBuzz vote to select the next Hawk's coach.
- RickJ


Don't forget the great Lindy Ruff
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Feb 23 @ 1:02 PM ET
With Q as the season was going on the Hawks were playing worse, with JC, after the stigma of Q getting fired, the Hawks are playing better as a team.

No matter what you say Q is not coming back, this is where we're at now. To declare JC is a failure because he's not Q doesn't make much sense to me

No one in the NFL knew of Tomlin, but a savvy football organization that has a clue hired him, just like Harbaugh for the Ravens the list goes on. I believe this org has a clue, retreads seem to find there way too franchises that just don't know better.

- BetweenTheDots


Cooper in Tampa is the longest serving currently, but he had no NHL experience when he started in Tampa.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Feb 23 @ 1:03 PM ET
With Q as the season was going on the Hawks were playing worse, with JC, after the stigma of Q getting fired, the Hawks are playing better as a team.

No matter what you say Q is not coming back, this is where we're at now. To declare JC is a failure because he's not Q doesn't make much sense to me

No one in the NFL knew of Tomlin, but a savvy football organization that has a clue hired him, just like Harbaugh for the Ravens the list goes on. I believe this org has a clue, retreads seem to find there way too franchises that just don't know better.

- BetweenTheDots


Cooper in Tampa is the longest serving currently, but he had no NHL experience when he started in Tampa.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Feb 23 @ 1:05 PM ET
What makes you believe I would be interested in any of the Coaches you mentioned?
- Z3Hawk


OK then you fire Colliton after the season, name who you believe should be coach?
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Feb 23 @ 1:06 PM ET
OK then you fire Colliton after the season, name who you believe should be coach?
- LAHawk


We're waiting
Z3Hawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.04.2017

Feb 23 @ 1:06 PM ET
From The head coach:
As for Henri Jokiharju's demotion, Jeremy Colliton essentially said his seven best defensemen are the ones he has on the roster right now. Said those are the guys that give them the best chance to win. Said Jokiharju "is where he should be" and has been a pro about it.

- mrpaulish


Well Colliton clearly has no idea how to rate NHL D-Men. In the Swedish Beer League it was easier. The best D-Man were the skinny ones without beer stomachs.
mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

Feb 23 @ 1:08 PM ET
So he has Forsling above Joki???


- z1990z


I was expecting something different, like "we all know Joki should be playing on the top pair, but we're just (frank)ing with the fans." Or "We know Joki is one of the top 7 defensemen on our roster right now, but we've got him in Rockford for his long-term development - screw the consequences to this year's team." This would have been good, too - "we think if he doesn't get stronger, he's got no future in the league, so we sent the wimp to the Rock to toughen up."

Maybe, just maybe, there's a plan in place being followed by the organization; and Joki knows of the plan and accepts it? Nah, no way.....
mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

Feb 23 @ 1:09 PM ET
What makes you believe I would be interested in any of the Coaches you mentioned?
- Z3Hawk


What makes you think anyone cares?
EbonyRaptor
Joined: 03.28.2013

Feb 23 @ 1:15 PM ET
I was expecting something different, like "we all know Joki should be playing on the top pair, but we're just (frank)ing with the fans." Or "We know Joki is one of the top 7 defensemen on our roster right now, but we've got him in Rockford for his long-term development - screw the consequences to this year's team." This would have been good, too - "we think if he doesn't get stronger, he's got no future in the league, so we sent the wimp to the Rock to toughen up."

Maybe, just maybe, there's a plan in place being followed by the organization; and Joki knows of the plan and accepts it? Nah, no way.....

- mohel


Joki has played 38 games - isn't there some reason to keep him under 40 games? I don't recall what it is specifically - but if he plays 40 or more games something happens that would not necessarily be good for the Hawks future plans. Someone help me out here.
powerenforcer
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Wheeling, IL
Joined: 09.24.2009

Feb 23 @ 1:18 PM ET
OK then you fire Colliton after the season, name who you believe should be coach?
- LAHawk


Bob Pulford, because all the other names mentioned earlier are really no better. Give JC a full season (with a training camp) at least to judge him.
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Feb 23 @ 1:20 PM ET
Under objective measures, the Hawks are worse under JC than under Q. And remember, Q did not have Murphy, Dahlstrom or Strome on his roster.

% of points earned DOWN from .500 to .489
Goals per game UP from 3.07 to 3.43 (JC’s one success)
Goal against per game EVEN AT 3.73 per game
5v5 Corsi for DOWN 51.5% to 47.8%

Those are the stubborn facts.

So even though Q ‘lost the room’ & ‘played favorites’, he did more, with a poorer roster, than JC.

Under JC, they are playing an unsustainable game, which will lead to long winning and losing streaks. It might be fun to watch, but it’s going to get you didly squatif they do get into the playoffs.

And playing Patrick Kane 25 minutes a night during the regular season is not a strategy. It what a coach who is panicked does.

- scottak


The team looked worse and worse under Q. Sooner or later either Q or Bowman was destined to depart.
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Feb 23 @ 1:26 PM ET
From The head coach:
As for Henri Jokiharju's demotion, Jeremy Colliton essentially said his seven best defensemen are the ones he has on the roster right now. Said those are the guys that give them the best chance to win. Said Jokiharju "is where he should be" and has been a pro about it.

- mrpaulish

Colliton also hnts at how Jokiharju needs to continue to get his swagger back and make plays to help his team win. That is close to his exact words. Jokiharju will replace someone next season. Maybe Dahlstrom
StLBravesFan
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2011

Feb 23 @ 1:27 PM ET
I was expecting something different, like "we all know Joki should be playing on the top pair, but we're just (frank)ing with the fans." Or "We know Joki is one of the top 7 defensemen on our roster right now, but we've got him in Rockford for his long-term development - screw the consequences to this year's team." This would have been good, too - "we think if he doesn't get stronger, he's got no future in the league, so we sent the wimp to the Rock to toughen up."

Maybe, just maybe, there's a plan in place being followed by the organization; and Joki knows of the plan and accepts it? Nah, no way.....

- mohel

And - we don’t see the whole ice on TV when Jokiharju is on it - the coaches do - is he in the right place more often than not, moving the right way....

We also don’t see the practices, we don’t know what he still has to work on.

He’s 19 - I don’t know why he should be getting top-4 minutes in the Show at that age with his limited pro experience.
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Feb 23 @ 1:30 PM ET
Well Colliton clearly has no idea how to rate NHL D-Men. In the Swedish Beer League it was easier. The best D-Man were the skinny ones without beer stomachs.
- Z3Hawk

Clearly Jokiharju is expected to develop into one of the top seven dmen on the team

That is where your guys discussion should end
Z3Hawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.04.2017

Feb 23 @ 1:37 PM ET
OK then you fire Colliton after the season, name who you believe should be coach?
- LAHawk


Well LA here is how you run a business and here is how you hire key people. You don’t just hire a person you happen to have around. You hire someone who is highly intelligent and confident not arrogant. Someone who has experience. You look for the special attributes that set that person apart. You look at the success they have had in the positions they have had.

For an NHL position I would look at Assistant Coaches who are universally respected and have paid their dues. I would not just hire a NHL re-tread. In special circumstances you can look at highly successful NHL coaches that need a change of scenery or were treated unfairly - see Long Island, Toronto and Vegas.

You can also look at AHL coaches who have paid their dues over a long period of time and have been great at development.

In other very special circumstances you can look at University Coaches or CHL Coaches with high levels of success. This is especially true if the resume also has other coaching or management roles listed. For example the London Knights could be a constant source of NHL hockey people if anyone wanted to leave.

So who would I hire for the key position of HC of the Hawks? I don’t know but I do know that I would have a large stack of very impressive resumes of highly qualified people available at that point in time. Just like I have always done when I have hired people to work for me. Finally, Colliton’s resume would not even be in the pile.
mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

Feb 23 @ 1:37 PM ET
And - we don’t see the whole ice on TV when Jokiharju is on it - the coaches do - is he in the right place more often than not, moving the right way....

We also don’t see the practices, we don’t know what he still has to work on.

He’s 19 - I don’t know why he should be getting top-4 minutes in the Show at that age with his limited pro experience.

- StLBravesFan


Hello, Sage. Yep, there's plenty of data that we don't know. Yet many believe they know better than the organization. Baffling.
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