I dont want them to change the rule when we are going through a rebuilding period
- jimbro83

Yeah imagine being so blinded ignorance

There was a proposal recently in the NY Post ( Cyrgalis or Brooks? ) that talked about teams that get awarded top draft picks then become ineligible to win them again for 5 years. It was a bit complex, but I think that is the way to go. This way, a team like Edmonton couldn't keep winning top pick over and over.
- TommyGTrain

Hopefully the NHL fixes this draft coming up and the Rangers get him, and not allow Hughes to wallow in obscurity in Colorado or some place dumb like McDavid will for the next dozen years. Who gives a frank if it’s wrong, it’s NYC god dam it

I dont want them to change the rule when we are going through a rebuilding period
- jimbro83

If we EVER win first overall pick, I don't think you will see it happen a second time in your lifetime anyway, so we don't have to worry about this rule.

Hopefully the NHL fixes this draft coming up and the Rangers get him, and not allow Hughes to wallow in obscurity in Colorado or some place dumb like McDavid will for the next dozen years. Who gives a frank if it’s wrong, it’s NYC god dam it
- Slimtj100

NHL is gonna rig the draft for Vancouver.

If we EVER win first overall pick, I don't think you will see it happen a second time in your lifetime anyway, so we don't have to worry about this rule.
- TommyGTrain

This team is due to draft 1st overall. They last time they got it was 1965. Think about that. 54 years ago.

You really can't compare that team to teams of today. There was no cap, they could go out and pay anyone. I admit that I haven't gone over each roster, but I think every cup winning team in the cap era had at least 1 top 5 pick playing for them. In many cases, multiple ones of them. I think the Hawks had 3 (if you count Hossa)
- 2sticks1puck

That's why I originally mentioned their plan worked during the pre cap era, with every NHL team also under those conditions in being free to spend. However, their Cup winner's construction was supplemented and completed through many trades for role type players, including trading away fan favorite and offensive producer in Mike Gartner in March of 1994 to Toronto for a package that included Glenn Anderson. They also parted with potential star youth including dealing Tony Amonte among part also around the deadline in 1994, (after scoring 60+ goals in two seasons), to acquire Matteau and Noonan. The prior March, 1993, they parted with potential star, Doug Weight to acquire Tikkanen.

The main costly free agent they signed was Graves, and it wasn't otherwise like the dollar spending days under Sather's reign, but rather trade after trade after trade to complete the winning puzzle that had been 54 years in time length, shortened to just shy of three after acquiring Messier to play under Roger Nielsen, who was shortly later replaced by Mike Keenan, due a great part to the want and need of the Captain of all Captains himself.

I actually think the solution to tanking is by everyone starting to tank. At some point, it will just be a fruitless endeavor because so many teams will be tanking, it'll be next to impossible to tank the best. At that point, some teams will give up and try to take advantage of teams trying to suck more.
- 2sticks1puck

This team is due to draft 1st overall. They last time they got it was 1965. Think about that. 54 years ago.
- tomburton99

And it took them 54 years to win the cup!! It’s fate

And it took them 54 years to win the cup!! It’s fate
- Slimtj100

And it took them 54 years to win the cup!! It’s fate
- Slimtj100

2048 is going to be so awesome for you guys

2048 is going to be so awesome for you guys
- eichiefs9

World is gonna end way before that.

Just cause someone gets traded doesn't mean its a rebuild. Stepan got traded for a way better option. That has nothing to do with a rebuild.


Plus you crap in buckets....
- mdw7413

Just saw this

My point with this is, at that moment in time once they agreed to trade Step that signaled to me a rebuild started. Getting what they did, trading that kind of player, etc its the only thing it can signal. In the orgs mind that was the moment they decided they’re rebuilding. They just lost to Ottawa after losing to TB the year prior, they realized we cannot win with this group and it’s time to start over. The contract was not the sole reason to trade him imo

They’ve really played it correctly imo, made the correct decisions and now it’s a matter of if they picked the correct kids or traded for the correct ones.

Just ask the Oilers how its working out, but who can also look at Toronto who were bad at the right time and were able to draft a star in Matthews, and get Marner later in a draft.

It's a slippery slope when a team tries to tank, which NYR isn't doing. Just gotta hope that prospects/draft picks received pan out. Jury is still out on whether Gorton and Co. made right moves the past few years, not to mention this season/off season
- rrentz

You're correct with the Oilers being the best example of how repeated tanking does not pay. One can make all the excuses they want as to their bad management, scouting, coaching, etc. The bottom line was they stockpiled all those #1 selections, and it didn't work.

Then they dealt one of them in Hall to acquire much needed help on the back line, and got ripped off in that deal for Larsson, despite Hall being on the mend this season. The Rangers could end up doing the same for 3 to 5 years straight, and eventually have to part with an overall #1, (if they were ever lucky to ever see another opportunity for one), to fill in a greater missing roster hole elsewhere.

Who knows if Toronto will ever see their Cup under their recent drafting benefits. Now it's going to be hard for them to retain all their young top stars drafted so high in the draft, after needing to supplement the roster with top veteran experienced performers like Tavares and Marleau, and still looking to fit more pieces to their puzzle.

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You're correct with the Oilers being the best example of how repeated tanking does not pay. One can make all the excuses they want as to their bad management, scouting, coaching, etc. The bottom line was they stockpiled all those #1 selections, and it didn't work.

Then they dealt one of them in Hall to acquire much needed help on the back line, and got ripped off in that deal for Larsson, despite Hall being on the mend this season. The Rangers could end up doing the same for 3 to 5 years straight, and eventually have to part with an overall #1, (if they were ever lucky to ever see another opportunity for one), to fill in a greater missing roster hole elsewhere.

Who knows if Toronto will ever see their Cup under their recent drafting benefits. Now it's going to be hard for them to retain all their young top stars drafted so high in the draft, after needing to supplement the roster with top veteran experienced performers like Tavares and Marleau, and still looking to fit more pieces to their puzzle.
- RangerSaver

So you trying to pass off the POV that the Maple Leafs didn't nail the picks of Kadri, Nylander, Matthews, Marner and Rielly.

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- jimbro83

- eichiefs9

Bust.

You're correct with the Oilers being the best example of how repeated tanking does not pay. One can make all the excuses they want as to their bad management, scouting, coaching, etc. The bottom line was they stockpiled all those #1 selections, and it didn't work.

Then they dealt one of them in Hall to acquire much needed help on the back line, and got ripped off in that deal for Larsson, despite Hall being on the mend this season. The Rangers could end up doing the same for 3 to 5 years straight, and eventually have to part with an overall #1, (if they were ever lucky to ever see another opportunity for one), to fill in a greater missing roster hole elsewhere.

Who knows if Toronto will ever see their Cup under their recent drafting benefits. Now it's going to be hard for them to retain all their young top stars drafted so high in the draft, after needing to supplement the roster with top veteran experienced performers like Tavares and Marleau, and still looking to fit more pieces to their puzzle.
- RangerSaver

Just saw this

My point with this is, at that moment in time once they agreed to trade Step that signaled to me a rebuild started. Getting what they did, trading that kind of player, etc its the only thing it can signal. In the orgs mind that was the moment they decided they’re rebuilding. They just lost to Ottawa after losing to TB the year prior, they realized we cannot win with this group and it’s time to start over. The contract was not the sole reason to trade him imo

They’ve really played it correctly imo, made the correct decisions and now it’s a matter of if they picked the correct kids or traded for the correct ones.
- Slimtj100

They were not rebuilding when they traded Stepan, despite receiving that upper 1st Round pick included in that deal, along with Deangelo. They wanted to trade Stepan for two main reasons:

1) They wanted to do so prior to his NTC beginning the next season.
2) They needed to relieve of his $6.5M cap hit because they knew they had a bigger need in signing a certain top potential free agent that summer, in that missing Right Handed shooting and play making d'man, especially to man their power play, named Shattenkirk. They then paid Shatty the bidding war price needed of $6.65M, with him still sacrificing some money to play for a little less for his favorite team while growing up in New Rochelle, NY.

Shatty was their #1 target that off season, after someone named Dan Boyle didn't quite work to A.V.'s and Sather's wonders as they thought he would, after allowing Stralman to walk away free instead, only to help Tampa defeat the Rangers in the EC Finals that next season.

That was the second time they got burned in the end, after signing those two d'men in first, Boyle, after he was about to sign with the Islanders, until the Rangers came in who he wanted to play for as his first choice. And then second, after the Devils were in chief in that bidding war on that July 1st with them, and I believe were the team who actually had offered Shatty more money.

So you trying to pass off the POV that the Maple Leafs didn't nail the picks of Kadri, Nylander, Matthews, Marner and Rielly.
- tomburton99

That's not what I was referring to. The issue is how they are going to be able to pay big money long term to all of them under their cap, and still be able to supplement holes needed filled through other moves. That's why Marner could be their next headache on how to make cap space available to pay him big for the long term.

They were not rebuilding when they traded Stepan, despite receiving that upper 1st Round pick included in that deal, along with Deangelo. They wanted to trade Stepan for two main reasons:

1) They wanted to do so prior to his NTC beginning the next season.
2) They needed to relieve of his $6.5M cap hit because they knew they had a bigger need in signing a certain top potential free agent that summer, in that missing Right Handed shooting d'man, especially to man their power play, named Shattenkirk. They then paid Shatty the bidding war price needed of $6.65M, with him still sacrificing some money to play for a little less for his favorite team while growing up in New Rochelle, NY.

Shatty was their #1 target that off season, after someone named Dan Boyle didn't quite work to A.V.'s and Sather's wonders as they thought he would, after allowing Stralman to walk away free instead, only to help Tampa defeat the Rangers in the EC Finals that next season.

That was the second time they got burned in the end, after signing those two d'men in first, Boyle, after he was about to sign with the Islanders, until the Rangers came in who he wanted to play for as his first choice. And then second, after the Devils were in chief in that bidding war on that July 1st with them, and I believe were the team who actually had offered Shatty more money.
- RangerSaver

I disagree. If they got another established NHL player back I would agree, they got a 7 overall pick and a prospect who was picked in the same area who hadnt matured yet. Nothing about that trade suggests hey we’re still contending. No one can convince me they didn’t say to themselves after that Ottawa series that we can win with this team. I was actually convinced after game 7 vs Tampa when they couldn’t even get a shot on net

Edit: so much so that I threw out my Messier Jersey like he had something b to do with it. Not one of my shining moments haha

I disagree. If they got another established NHL player back I would agree, they got a 7 overall pick and a prospect who was picked in the same area who hadnt matured yet. Nothing about that trade suggests hey we’re still contending. No one can convince me they didn’t say to themselves after that Ottawa series that we can win with this team. I was actually convinced after game 7 vs Tampa when they couldn’t even get a shot on net

Edit: so much so that I threw out my Messier Jersey like he had something b to do with it.
- Slimtj100

You got rid of the wrong jersey there, tj.
Don't forget as I had written in one of my earlier replies to one here on the rebuild, in that going into last season, they still considered their team to be Cup contenders under A.V.
That, despite coming off that horrible series loss to Ottawa in blowing big leads in 3 games, due in part to some very questionable coaching strategy and player usage choices in certain situations.
I could see you being so mad then to the point you did what you said to your favorite in your #11 jersey, as I also was upset, and even more so because they should have otherwise won that series in 5 games instead of losing it in 6.

Anyone think a trade could be had with NYI?

Zucc? Hayes? To NYI?

Anyone think a trade could be had with NYI?

Zucc? Hayes? To NYI?
- Nfabz8

This team is due to draft 1st overall. They last time they got it was 1965. Think about that. 54 years ago.
- tomburton99

female dog please. We all know what’s gonna go down.