People still forget it could be ADA that makes this trade worth it from the Rangers point of view. I don't think he ever makes the first pair, but I can easily see ADA as a second pairing guy who can run a power play. If ADA makes it to this potential, that alone makes it a win for the Rangers. Then, you add in the Lias could be a cost controlled two way center and it becomes a huge boon.
- 2sticks1puck

who in their right mind wishes we had Stepan at 6.5 mil the next two years?

People still forget it could be ADA that makes this trade worth it from the Rangers point of view. I don't think he ever makes the first pair, but I can easily see ADA as a second pairing guy who can run a power play. If ADA makes it to this potential, that alone makes it a win for the Rangers. Then, you add in the Lias could be a cost controlled two way center and it becomes a huge boon.
- 2sticks1puck

Yeah. I do love me some ADA on the point. He still needs to get better in his own zone though, and hopefully thats happening with more playing time.

They have to have good veteran middle age players (guys between 25-30). They can't just roll a bunch of 18-22 year old's into a lineup without a good veteran presence. I thought guys like Hayes and Kreider would be the types that would be here through a rebuild. Not thrilled about losing Hayes.
- Pete V

I agree 100% Pete for those who think that tanking for 3 to 5 years straight will insure their top prospects will all automatically develop their games to fruition, and guarantee a franchise a Cup win. They may eventually become frustrated with all the losing and growing pains, and then exercise their right to depart to better teams as RFA's when becoming eligible.

Tanking is for losers. Those who still doubt the success that existed in the pre salary cap era, of the blueprint for Keenan and Smith in 1993/94, ought to look again at the origin of where nearly that entire Cup winning playoff roster came from. That, prior to getting on board with having up to 22 year old players only on this roster for an extended period of seasons very soon.

Outside of 1st Rounders in Leetch selected by them #9 overall in 1986, and Kovalev #15 overall in 1991, the next of their own highest selections was Richter as #28 overall in the 2nd Round of 1985. Their only other own selections playing in that Cup winning postseason were both made in 1990 in Zubov at #85 overall in Rd. 6, and Nemchinov at #244 in Round 12.

I hope the NHL looks to alter the draft selection process to not allow the greater chance for the best pick selections be possibly awarded to tankers through a draft lottery. Rank the 15 teams who failed to reach the postseason in order of most points earned, and award them in numerical order from most points to least points, the 1st overall pick selection on down. That way you will no longer see any teams purposely tanking for even just a single game during any regular season.

who in their right mind wishes we had Stepan at 6.5 mil the next two years?
- jimbro83

I hated that deal then and hate it now.

I agree 100% Pete for those who think that tanking for 3 to 5 years straight will insure their top prospects will all automatically develop their games to fruition, and guarantee a franchise a Cup win. They may eventually become frustrated with all the losing and growing pains, and then exercise their right to depart to better teams as RFA's when becoming eligible.

Tanking is for losers. Those who still doubt the success that existed in the pre salary cap era, of the blueprint for Keenan and Smith in 1993/94, ought to look again at the origin of where nearly that entire Cup winning playoff roster came from. That, prior to getting on board with having up to 22 year old players only on this roster for an extended period of seasons very soon.

Outside of 1st Rounders in Leetch selected by them #9 overall in 1986, and Kovalev #15 overall in 1991, the next of their own highest selections was Richter as #28 overall in the 2nd Round of 1985. Their only other own selections playing in that Cup winning postseason were both made in 1990 in Zubov at #85 overall in Rd. 6, and Nemchinov at #244 in Round 12.

I hope the NHL looks to alter the draft selection process to not allow the greater chance for the best pick selections be possibly awarded to tankers through a draft lottery. Rank the 15 teams who failed to reach the postseason in order of most points earned, and award them in numerical order from most points to least points, the 1st overall pick selection on down. That way you will no longer see any teams purposely tanking for even just a single game during any regular season.
- RangerSaver

Can't do that, cause you could have teams that really do just suck and they get screwed. So a team that just missed the wildcard gets the best pick?

I hated that deal then and hate it now.
- nyrangers2

there wasn't one team in the whole league other than Arizona who would have traded for Stepan's contract and not made the Rangers keep some of the $$$

I agree 100% Pete for those who think that tanking for 3 to 5 years straight will insure their top prospects will all automatically develop their games to fruition, and guarantee a franchise a Cup win. They may eventually become frustrated with all the losing and growing pains, and then exercise their right to depart to better teams as RFA's when becoming eligible.

Tanking is for losers. Those who still doubt the success that existed in the pre salary cap era, of the blueprint for Keenan and Smith in 1993/94, ought to look again at the origin of where nearly that entire Cup winning playoff roster came from. That, prior to getting on board with having up to 22 year old players only on this roster for an extended period of seasons very soon.

Outside of 1st Rounders in Leetch selected by them #9 overall in 1986, and Kovalev #15 overall in 1991, the next of their own highest selections was Richter as #28 overall in the 2nd Round of 1985. Their only other own selections playing in that Cup winning postseason were both made in 1990 in Zubov at #85 overall in Rd. 6, and Nemchinov at #244 in Round 12.

I hope the NHL looks to alter the draft selection process to not allow the greater chance for the best pick selections be possibly awarded to tankers through a draft lottery. Rank the 15 teams who failed to reach the postseason in order of most points earned, and award them in numerical order from most points to least points, the 1st overall pick selection on down. That way you will no longer see any teams purposely tanking for even just a single game during any regular season.
- RangerSaver

You really can't compare that team to teams of today. There was no cap, they could go out and pay anyone. I admit that I haven't gone over each roster, but I think every cup winning team in the cap era had at least 1 top 5 pick playing for them. In many cases, multiple ones of them. I think the Hawks had 3 (if you count Hossa)

Stop smoking the pots... Thats all i'm talking about was Stepans contract and play
- mdw7413

No.

You really can't compare that team to teams of today. There was no cap, they could go out and pay anyone. I admit that I haven't gone over each roster, but I think every cup winning team in the cap era had at least 1 top 5 pick playing for them. In many cases, multiple ones of them. I think the Hawks had 3 (if you count Hossa)
- 2sticks1puck

I might be wrong but i dont think the 08 Red Wings had a top 5 pick on their team, which is crazy because they had some absolute studs

Yeah but that came after he was traded. So this is year 2. 3 years ago they Montreal and Ottawa in the playoffs. They traded for and paid Smith. Rebuilding teams don't do that,
- tomburton99

Not good writing, and incorrect information needing corrections.

Three postseasons ago in 2016, the Rangers lost to Pittsburgh in Round One.
Two years ago in 2017, they lost to Ottawa in Round Two, after defeating Montreal in Round One. That's the season when Smith was acquired, with his great physical play during the series win over Montreal contributing predominantly to him getting overpaid on his current contract they gave him.

They were not rebuilding that season, nor at the start of last season through its first half, in still considering themselves to be Cup contenders going in. This 2018/19 season is the 1st full one of their rebuild, with last season's deadline being their initial sell off of their expiring contracts back then.

I might be wrong but i dont think the 08 Red Wings had a top 5 pick on their team, which is crazy because they had some absolute studs
- picklerick

they had Brad Stuart

they had Brad Stuart
- jimbro83

That's a goddamn technicality. He's disqualified

That's a goddamn technicality. He's disqualified
- picklerick

I might be wrong but i dont think the 08 Red Wings had a top 5 pick on their team, which is crazy because they had some absolute studs
- picklerick

lol Brad Stuart was taken 3rd by the Sharks. I searched hard for that one. It's funny their only pick was just a decent d man

lol Brad Stuart was taken 3rd by the Sharks. I searched hard for that one. It's funny their only pick was just a decent d man
- 2sticks1puck

BEAT YOU

they had Brad Stuart
- jimbro83

Jimbo beats me again, the historian is always on it lol

Jimbo beats me again, the historian is always on it lol
- 2sticks1puck

I agree 100% Pete for those who think that tanking for 3 to 5 years straight will insure their top prospects will all automatically develop their games to fruition, and guarantee a franchise a Cup win. They may eventually become frustrated with all the losing and growing pains, and then exercise their right to depart to better teams as RFA's when becoming eligible.

Tanking is for losers. Those who still doubt the success that existed in the pre salary cap era, of the blueprint for Keenan and Smith in 1993/94, ought to look again at the origin of where nearly that entire Cup winning playoff roster came from. That, prior to getting on board with having up to 22 year old players only on this roster for an extended period of seasons very soon.

Outside of 1st Rounders in Leetch selected by them #9 overall in 1986, and Kovalev #15 overall in 1991, the next of their own highest selections was Richter as #28 overall in the 2nd Round of 1985. Their only other own selections playing in that Cup winning postseason were both made in 1990 in Zubov at #85 overall in Rd. 6, and Nemchinov at #244 in Round 12.

I hope the NHL looks to alter the draft selection process to not allow the greater chance for the best pick selections be possibly awarded to tankers through a draft lottery. Rank the 15 teams who failed to reach the postseason in order of most points earned, and award them in numerical order from most points to least points, the 1st overall pick selection on down. That way you will no longer see any teams purposely tanking for even just a single game during any regular season.
- RangerSaver

Just ask the Oilers how its working out, but who can also look at Toronto who were bad at the right time and were able to draft a star in Matthews, and get Marner later in a draft.

It's a slippery slope when a team tries to tank, which NYR isn't doing. Just gotta hope that prospects/draft picks received pan out. Jury is still out on whether Gorton and Co. made right moves the past few years, not to mention this season/off season

Can't do that, cause you could have teams that really do just suck and they get screwed. So a team that just missed the wildcard gets the best pick?
- mdw7413

I agree that there could just be some teams that are so bad without having to tank. But to avoid having teams benefit automatically with the best draft selection choice possible by tanking, there are few, if any alternatives to prevent it from happening, despite how bad some team(s) may truly be in any season.
I believe I saw where MLB was considering a change of their draft rules someday to prevent tanking, in possibly reward the World Series winner with the #1 overall pick selection, followed by the loser with #2, and then on down for the remaining postseason teams, prior to those ranked lower who missed out on the playoffs. That would be mega times worse than my proposal for the NHL.

I agree that there could just be some teams that are so bad without having to tank. But to avoid having teams benefit automatically with the best draft selection choice possible by tanking, there are few, if any alternatives to prevent it from happening, despite how bad some team(s) may truly be in any season.
I believe I saw where MLB was considering a change of their draft rules someday to prevent tanking, in possibly reward the World Series winner with the #1 overall pick selection, followed by the loser with #2, and then on down for the remaining postseason teams, prior to those ranked lower who missed out on the playoffs. That would be mega times worse than my proposal for the NHL.
- RangerSaver

I actually think the solution to tanking is by everyone starting to tank. At some point, it will just be a fruitless endeavor because so many teams will be tanking, it'll be next to impossible to tank the best. At that point, some teams will give up and try to take advantage of teams trying to suck more.

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I don't get the hype for Podkolzin. Sell him to me.

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Tons of skill, speed, plays with ferocity, competes on every puck, good vision, really good shot with great net awareness. He's also attentive in his own zone and just always wants the puck. Meanwhile he's essentially played on 5 different teams between tournaments and reg season

Sounds like a younger, Russian version of Zuccarello. I want.

I agree that there could just be some teams that are so bad without having to tank. But to avoid having teams benefit automatically with the best draft selection choice possible by tanking, there are few, if any alternatives to prevent it from happening, despite how bad some team(s) may truly be in any season.
I believe I saw where MLB was considering a change of their draft rules someday to prevent tanking, in possibly reward the World Series winner with the #1 overall pick selection, followed by the loser with #2, and then on down for the remaining postseason teams, prior to those ranked lower who missed out on the playoffs. That would be mega times worse than my proposal for the NHL.
- RangerSaver

The NHL had those Rules it was called the 1950-60's.What you talking about? Tanking absolutely works in MLB and has seen success in the NHL.

There was a proposal recently in the NY Post ( Cyrgalis or Brooks? ) that talked about teams that get awarded top draft picks then become ineligible to win them again for 5 years. It was a bit complex, but I think that is the way to go. This way, a team like Edmonton couldn't keep winning top pick over and over.

There was a proposal recently in the NY Post ( Cyrgalis or Brooks? ) that talked about teams that get awarded top draft picks then become ineligible to win them again for 5 years. It was a bit complex, but I think that is the way to go. This way, a team like Edmonton couldn't keep winning top pick over and over.
- TommyGTrain

I dont want them to change the rule when we are going through a rebuilding period

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I don't get the hype for Podkolzin. Sell him to me.

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1h1 hour ago
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Tons of skill, speed, plays with ferocity, competes on every puck, good vision, really good shot with great net awareness. He's also attentive in his own zone and just always wants the puck. Meanwhile he's essentially played on 5 different teams between tournaments and reg season

Sounds like a younger, Russian version of Zuccarello. I want.
- tomburton99

+1
I would take him and look to pair him with possibly Kravstov.