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Krampus
Montreal Canadiens
Location: NS
Joined: 03.01.2014

Feb 21 @ 8:54 AM ET
Not one actually. Top to bottom, forward and D, there are no worse rosters in this league. Garbage.
- Bolts91


MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 21 @ 8:55 AM ET
Big two points tonight. I expect Hart to bounce back and play well. Hopefully our team d shows up. Han't so far this year so not sure why tonight would be different.

If you watch Patrick without the puck, he has picked up his pace the second part of this season. He hustles back on d and always seems to be the player moving the fastest out there. He has good speed (not great) and has been using it much more. It is a noticeable difference. He seems to be playing with a purpose. Like he is getting it. I honestly think that Simmonds is holding him back slightly. Laughton is playing well but he really isn't an offensive minded winger. I think Patty centering one of TK or Lindblom and you might see higher point totals. But, points aside, Patty is playing well. Much improved from start of the year.

- cdearth23


I agreed with everything you said until stating that Simmonds is holding him back. I don't agree with that. Moving on however, Patrick is a far more effective player when he is skating and moving his feet. Same with JVR. When they play at a higher pace, they're more effective. Both players at times get caught up in playing at a lower pace.
shekkie
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Perkasie, PA
Joined: 07.05.2007

Feb 21 @ 8:57 AM ET
Bill delivers yet another excellent lesson to a troll.
- Scoob



I think the kids these days call that getting REKT!

but that might have been last week, I'll check with my teen daughters to be sure.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Feb 21 @ 8:57 AM ET

- Krampus


you're going to have to pick up your meme game if you're going to play here today
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Feb 21 @ 8:58 AM ET
I think the kids these days call that getting REKT!

but that might have been last week, I'll check with my teen daughters to be sure.

- shekkie


lol - good thing I didn't say that Bill pwnd him
jtb3rd
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 02.08.2008

Feb 21 @ 8:59 AM ET
1) Flyers top nine is fine, although they could use another second-line caliber center so that they can move Giroux back to LW again while still keeping Patrick in favorable matchups.

2) Yes, Gudas has been the most consistent and has had a good year. Doesn't make him the BEST defenseman on the team, just the one who has hit the fewest bumps in road/ slumps this year. Provorov is still the team's best D. Sanheim is fast-rising. Ghost has had a rough season (and 2nd season) but was excellent his rookie and 3rd years. Hägg is fairly solid in his role, just so long as he's not overextended.

3) "Can use an infusion of young talent." ... Patrick, Konecny, Provorov, Lindblom, Sanheim, Hart, now Myers in the NHL. All talented, all young. Morgan Frost on the way next season. Perhaps Joel Farabee the year after that. Isaac Ratcliffe has a decent shot at being developed into a good NHL winger.

4) "Whiffed on Pettersson." First of all, do you know have many teams would have taken Pettersson if they had the 2nd overall pick in the 2017 draft? The answer is zero, including Vancouver. It was a two-horse race between Hischier and Patrick for the top spot with Heiskanen a dark horse. You can't come back a couple years later and retro-draft what you "should" have done with the pick, when no team would have done so at the time.

Secondly, Nolan Patrick is coming along fine. He's been one of the Flyers best players in the second half of the season thus far, and not just because he's now scoring with some regularity. He's developing a good 200-foot game. He doesn't have elite speed but he has a lot of skill, good hockey sense, is big and strong and is improving his quickness. He's going to be a very good player in the league for a long time.

Lastly, when teams draft 18-year-olds, one of the factors they look at beyond sheer offensive upside is how much developmental guesswork is involved from draft year to draft-plus-one to draft-plus-two. Patrick was projectable as immediately NHL ready as a top 9 with a "safe" top 6 upside within a couple years and potential first-line upside by the time he's 23 or 24. You know what you call a player with such projections? The first or second pick of the draft.

Pettersson is obviously a special talent, too. Hence, him being the fifth overall pick in the draft, and the third forward off the board. If he had been projected as being ready to step right into the NHL a year ago, as Hischier and Patrick were, he might well have been a first or second overall pick. If his immediate impact this season, which has outpaced Patrick or Hischier, had been knowable, the Devils or Flyers would have waited the extra year for his arrival. However, that's all hindsight.

The reality at the time: since there was just a shade more guesswork about his NHL ETA and timetable to be an impact player -- which has been very quick, as it turned out -- he was the third forward and fifth pick overall.

The Stars, who picked third overall, were thrilled to get Heiskanen in that spot. For good reason, too, as he looks like a future No. 1 defenseman. Colorado took Makar fourth..... plenty of upside but not yet in the NHL.

- bmeltzer



MIC DROP
Krampus
Montreal Canadiens
Location: NS
Joined: 03.01.2014

Feb 21 @ 9:01 AM ET
you're going to have to pick up your meme game if you're going to play here today
- Scoob

I have no quarrel with Flyer fans...Just that silly Bolts91.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Feb 21 @ 9:07 AM ET
We rig the league, duh
- Not_Yan


Expired: The league is rigged for the Pens

Tired: Actually, the league is better when Montreal is good

Wired: SCREW YOU ALL! TORONTO IS THE CENTRE OF THE HOCKEY UNIVERSE! GO LEAFS GO1!1!1!!
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Feb 21 @ 9:10 AM ET
I have no quarrel with Flyer fans...Just that silly Bolts91.
- Krampus


bonne chance ce soir, je serai nue dans mon placard en regardant de près

bmoreflyer
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Baltimore
Joined: 07.06.2017

Feb 21 @ 9:14 AM ET
This may have already been discussed in a past thread, but any chance Gudas can appeal the suspension and be able to play in the outdoor game while the appeal is being reviewed?
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Feb 21 @ 9:15 AM ET
Bill delivers yet another excellent lesson to a troll.
-Scoob


Brilliantly done. Squashed like a bug.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Feb 21 @ 9:15 AM ET
This may have already been discussed in a past thread, but any chance Gudas can appeal the suspension and be able to play in the outdoor game while the appeal is being reviewed?
- bmoreflyer


I think I saw on the twitter machine that the team won't appeal.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Feb 21 @ 9:16 AM ET
I have no quarrel with Flyer fans...Just that silly Bolts91.
- Krampus


In that case, welcome to the nut house
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Feb 21 @ 9:17 AM ET
I have no quarrel with Flyer fans...Just that silly Bolts91.
- Krampus


And really, I wasn't even trying to troll. I was just surprised at Montreal's record. Good for you guys! I'd trade records in a second.
Krampus
Montreal Canadiens
Location: NS
Joined: 03.01.2014

Feb 21 @ 9:18 AM ET
bonne chance ce soir, je serai nue dans mon placard en regardant de près
- Streit2ThePoint

Chanceux. Allez les Habs!
Krampus
Montreal Canadiens
Location: NS
Joined: 03.01.2014

Feb 21 @ 9:20 AM ET
And really, I wasn't even trying to troll. I was just surprised at Montreal's record. Good for you guys! I'd trade records in a second.
- johndewar

I'd like for you guys to grab that second wild card spot and rough up the Lightning!
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 21 @ 9:24 AM ET
I'd like for you guys to grab that second wild card spot and rough up the Lightning!
- Krampus


Based on the last game against TB, that's real likely!
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Feb 21 @ 9:26 AM ET
Was just about to say something like this...

How does Montreal have a 32-21-7 record?

- johndewar


Julien is a great NHL coach.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Feb 21 @ 9:31 AM ET
This may have already been discussed in a past thread, but any chance Gudas can appeal the suspension and be able to play in the outdoor game while the appeal is being reviewed?
- bmoreflyer

Outdoor and against the Pens.

That game is already a loss if I ever saw one.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Feb 21 @ 9:32 AM ET
The Flyers three current goalies are ranked 11th, 19th and 50th in SV% this season (minimum 15 GP).

http://www.nhl.com/stats/...ayed,gte,15&sort=savePctg
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Feb 21 @ 9:39 AM ET
@johndewar

Habs have a good record because hockey is more than just the names on the back of jerseys. Hockey is just as much mental as it is skill. You play smart and you win games. If you can protect the puck and follow your coaches system, you will be a good team. Isles are a perfect example of that. They are better than they ever were with JT in their lineup. It isn't because JT isnt skilled but because they play smarter
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Feb 21 @ 9:40 AM ET
I think the kids these days call that getting REKT!

but that might have been last week, I'll check with my teen daughters to be sure.

- shekkie


Rekt is old now. It is now Savage lol
Djapana
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Sunset Dreaming, FL
Joined: 09.16.2017

Feb 21 @ 9:50 AM ET
@johndewar

Habs have a good record because hockey is more than just the names on the back of jerseys. Hockey is just as much mental as it is skill. You play smart and you win games. If you can protect the puck and follow your coaches system, you will be a good team. Isles are a perfect example of that. They are better than they ever were with JT in their lineup. It isn't because JT isnt skilled but because they play smarter

- xShoot4WarAmpsx


Do you think Price may have a little bit to do with it?
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Feb 21 @ 9:51 AM ET
Flyers lose and trade Simmer to the Habs
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Feb 21 @ 9:58 AM ET
I agreed with everything you said until stating that Simmonds is holding him back. I don't agree with that. Moving on however, Patrick is a far more effective player when he is skating and moving his feet. Same with JVR. When they play at a higher pace, they're more effective. Both players at times get caught up in playing at a lower pace.
- MJL



I do think of Patrick's points have been affected by Simmer, for whatever reason Simmer has not played well for a good part of the season. That includes mis-handling the puck that short out chances and not being able to bury chances
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