I get what you’re saying, I just don’t think they will ever be surrounded by fringe NHLers. Beyond the two centres the reason ‘cap issues’ exist is also having two elite wingers in Marner and Nylander (he will be you’ll see don’t pick this part to argue).

They key to long term success of Toronto will be if they can consistently draft and develop, Johnsson/Dermott/Brown level players.

If they can do that they will have a perpetual depth pipeline. With their financial resources it should be an absolutely attainable goal. They don’t need to hit homeruns (Pasternak) they just need to make sure they’re getting some capable replacements.
- Blazed

Didn't they trade their 1st round pick for Muzzin? It's begun, i don't blame them but as you'll find out they will have to give to get

I think this gem from Oscar Gamble pretty much sums up the LEaf cap situation for out visitor.

- Elbows15

Another dream from Leafland - Marner signing for $9M - $2.6M less than Mathews.

He has been their best player all year, why agree to a discounted contract? As you indicate, he wont.
- RickJ

Especially since he's going to be taxed more than Matthews

I think this gem from Oscar Gamble pretty much sums up the LEaf cap situation for out visitor.

- Elbows15

Ole Oscar did sport a magnificent 'fro.

To be fair none of the three examples I mentioned were first round picks, Toronto has a recent history of drafting solid depth guys. Ultimately I think their success will depend on that continuing.

As for over the barrel I don’t really buy that at all. That is more for cap teams with horrible contracts.

If Toronto decides they are indeed in cap hell and want to shed salary, hypothetically Kadri goes on the block. Does he only receive low-ball offers? No a group of interested teams would make competitive offers against each other.

Connor Brown would require no incentive to trade. He could bring a depth draft pick back this week if they wanted.
- Blazed

That’s Ebony’s point, the other teams know you have to get rid of Kari, so you won’t get fair value back, or you can’t afford fair value back in a player with equal salary..

How did we as a board, reach the conclusion that Perlini is awful, but Koekkoek, and Dahlstrom are NHL caliber defensemen?
- Trammelt

Several posts question Dahlstrom as a solid dman going forward this season and beyond

That’s Ebony’s point, the other teams know you have to get rid of Kari, so you won’t get fair value back, or you can’t afford fair value back in a player with equal salary..
- LAHawk

Need to start a new post.

Actually Gus doesnt bother me too much unless he dogs it after a bad giveaway. He really is no worse than Jake Gardner or Jordan Oesterle or Kevin Shattenkirk. Not one of them can play defence.
- RickJ[/quoteesterle

Did Oesterle deserve that new contract - just signed
Is he playing better? I would guess no, except their GM over values his offensive contribution.

Didn't they trade their 1st round pick for Muzzin? It's begun, i don't blame them but as you'll find out they will have to give to get
- BetweenTheDots

To that end - give to get - I outlined the type of trade which is one option Toronto could take. In that post several pages back is the notion to subtract player ftom.salary cap by trading a two 2uality for onecqualitu in return. And to that end go after defense - the Maple Leafs achillies heel.

My example might actually be worth considering as a deal if one of the contracts coming back can be dumped later. Anyway Leafs are without a first albeit a late first 2019. This was the price to add Muzzin to s ppsition still weak.

Dallas is a one line team. They really love Heiskanen so they have to be overwhelmed to even consider moving him. I would rather try to draft a forward than deal Heiskanen. That said, remember this is merely the sort of trade to consider for Toronto.

They would offer Sakic a buyout if possible, or trade him in a give away to expansion the following season. All just to add a great piece on defense and, hopefully, move away from salary cap hell (Heiskanen rookie salary and team control another plus)

To Dallas: Kadri and Kampenen
To Toronto: Heiskanen and Sakic

To that end - give to get - I outlined the type of trade which is one option Toronto could take. In that post several pages back is the notion to subtract player ftom.salary cap by trading a two 2uality for onecqualitu in return. And to that end go after defense - the Maple Leafs achillies heel.

My example might actually be worth considering as a deal if one of the contracts coming back can be dumped later. Anyway Leafs are without a first albeit a late first 2019. This was the price to add Muzzin to s ppsition still weak.

Dallas is a one line team. They really love Heiskanen so they have to be overwhelmed to even consider moving him. I would rather try to draft a forward than deal Heiskanen. That said, remember this is merely the sort of trade to consider for Toronto.

They would offer Sakic a buyout if possible, or trade him in a give away to expansion the following season. All just to add a great piece on defense and, hopefully, move away from salary cap hell (Heiskanen rookie salary and team control another plus)

To Dallas: Kadri and Kampenen
To Toronto: Heiskanen and Sakic
- jhawk59

I really don't think Sakic has much value these days.

On the bright side, maybe Breadman has decided to test the virtues of a 30-ish single mother.

To that end - give to get - I outlined the type of trade which is one option Toronto could take. In that post several pages back is the notion to subtract player ftom.salary cap by trading a two 2uality for onecqualitu in return. And to that end go after defense - the Maple Leafs achillies heel.

My example might actually be worth considering as a deal if one of the contracts coming back can be dumped later. Anyway Leafs are without a first albeit a late first 2019. This was the price to add Muzzin to s ppsition still weak.

Dallas is a one line team. They really love Heiskanen so they have to be overwhelmed to even consider moving him. I would rather try to draft a forward than deal Heiskanen. That said, remember this is merely the sort of trade to consider for Toronto.

They would offer Sakic a buyout if possible, or trade him in a give away to expansion the following season. All just to add a great piece on defense and, hopefully, move away from salary cap hell (Heiskanen rookie salary and team control another plus)

To Dallas: Kadri and Kampenen
To Toronto: Heiskanen and Sakic
- jhawk59

I don't think Dallas trades Heiskanen - he is their future top pairing d-man, if he isn't already. You don't get a legit top pairing d-man for a 3C and a winger. A top pairing d-man is a lot harder to find than a 3C and winger - especially one still on his ELC.

I don't think Dallas trades Heiskanen - he is their future top pairing d-man, if he isn't already. You don't get a legit top pairing d-man for a 3C and a winger. A top pairing d-man is a lot harder to find than a 3C and winger - especially one still on his ELC.
- EbonyRaptor

Right. I meant to include Gardiner as well. Still i would not trade Heiskanen. But as i said, this is the sort of trade Toronto can try to accomplish. It is one way to move away from salary cap hell. Dallas ought to concentrate on drafting a good point producing forward or a power forward. Do not trade top young dmen

I really don't think Sakic has much value these days.
- Elbows15[/quote

Edit: spezza not Sakic.

He doesn't. Point was to take his big salary off books. Then try to unload him on expansion team. Or if a buyout can work. Give to get. That was the idea in the original post. Heiskanen is a gem to add to the Toronto stable on defense - where too many weak mares reside.

Ole Oscar did sport a magnificent 'fro.
- EbonyRaptor

how the hell did his cap stay on...

He doesn't. Point was to take his big salary off books. Then try to unload him on expansion team. Or if a buyout can work. Give to get. That was the idea in the original post. Heiskanen is a gem to add to the Toronto stable on defense - where too many weak mares reside.
- jhawk59

SAKIC doesn't have a salary. He has been retired for years. Never played for Dallas either while we are at it.

how the hell did his cap stay on...


- bogiedoc

It didn't.

SAKIC doesn't have a salary. He has been retired for years. Never played for Dallas either while we are at it.
- Elbows15

Oops. I meant Spezza.
Hope you enjoyed a good laugh.
Of course Sakic is trying to steer Avalanche into playoff. But his defense core is average to weak and roster depth is an issue as well. Can we outscore their outstanding one line team?

We have a lot of dmen prospects

Would be great if any if them are as good as Heiskanen or Chytil look this season.

how the hell did his cap stay on...


- bogiedoc

Lots of bobby pins.

That’s Ebony’s point, the other teams know you have to get rid of Kari, so you won’t get fair value back, or you can’t afford fair value back in a player with equal salary..
- LAHawk

See I don't agree with that. I think that only becomes an issue with undesirable contracts like Zaitsev (not even necessarily a bad player, just contract).

If the player and contract have value then any seriously interested team (and there will always be a few for valuable players) will not care at all that Toronto is "in cap hell" they'll pay up to whatever the feel is reasonable to acquire a piece they want.

To take it to its logical extremes, say the Leafs decided it was Marner in fact that would be the 'cap casualty'. Would any seriously interested team low ball offer? No absolutely not.

No team would hypothetically say we refuse to include a first because Toronto has to move Marner. They would pay slightly more than whatever the next highest bidder was willing to pay.

See I don't agree with that. I think that only becomes an issue with undesirable contracts like Zaitsev (not even necessarily a bad player, just contract).

If the player and contract have value then any seriously interested team (and there will always be a few for valuable players) will not care at all that Toronto is "in cap hell" they'll pay up to whatever the feel is reasonable to acquire a piece they want.

To take it to its logical extremes, say the Leafs decided it was Marner in fact that would be the 'cap casualty'. Would any seriously interested team low ball offer? No absolutely not.

No team would hypothetically say we refuse to include a first because Toronto has to move Marner. They would pay slightly more than whatever the next highest bidder was willing to pay.
- Blazed

Wrong. See terrible trade returns for good players like Dustin Byfuglien, Andrew Ladd, Patrick Sharp, Brian Campbell, Nick Leddy, Brandon Saad, & Tuevo Teravainen when the Hawks were forced to make trades bc of the Salary cap. I expect similar results with the leafs this summer.

Wrong. See terrible trade returns for good players like Dustin Byfuglien, Andrew Ladd, Patrick Sharp, Brian Campbell, Nick Leddy, Brandon Saad, & Tuevo Teravainen when the Hawks were forced to make trades bc of the Salary cap. I expect similar results with the leafs this summer.
- EnzoD

We'll see. This is an internet forum so bets are silly. I'll eat my words if Toronto makes a bad trade this summer because of salary but I really doubt it.

We'll see. This is an internet forum so bets are silly. I'll eat my words if Toronto makes a bad trade this summer because of salary but I really doubt it.
- Blazed

Hey man I’m not rooting against the Leafs or wishing them ill. I enjoy offensive hockey and the Leafs have that in bunches. I’m simply stating that the Chicago Blackhawks in summer 2010 are a recent historical example of what happens when every NHL GM knows you literally HAVE to trade good players simply to be cap compliant and ice a full roster.

Kadri/Nylander trade returns will look a lot like the Byfuglien and Ladd trades I’m guessing. Spoiler alert, they were pretty much given away when it was all said and done.

Hey man I’m not rooting against the Leafs or wishing them ill. I enjoy offensive hockey and the Leafs have that in bunches. I’m simply stating that the Chicago Blackhawks in summer 2010 are a recent historical example of what happens when every NHL GM knows you literally HAVE to trade good players simply to be cap compliant and ice a full roster.

Kadri/Nylander trade returns will look a lot like the Byfuglien and Ladd trades I’m guessing. Spoiler alert, they were pretty much given away when it was all said and done.
- EnzoD

Hey time will tell, it's all just entertainment anyways.

Nothing but respect for all the Original 6 beauties.