So essentially Turris Duchene and a Top 3 pick for ?

What a freakin poop going show. Get the owner out of there

I disagree. I think, even in a rebuild where you go full youth, you still need a few solid vets to mentor the young guys along. Stone has shown that he is great with the young players, both on and off the ice. he's the perfect player to have as the Captain and mentor the young guys.

I think his value to the team as Captain and mentor is greater than what he would bring back in a trade, which I understand would be good also.

I also think, given their histories, Stone would likely be much more willing to invest time in a rebuild, as long as he saw the light at the end of the tunnel (you have to look real hard to see it). Duchene doesnt' have the time invested in this team, and he wants to win now...clearly much less willing to play the waiting game here.
- sensarmy_11

Now that is a very good, well reasoned response and it is hard to disagree with your logic or team priorities. However, have you taken into account the probability that Melnyk does not want to commit to spending that much money?

If Jesus was available, Melnyk would opt for Barabbus and the discount.

I disagree. I think, even in a rebuild where you go full youth, you still need a few solid vets to mentor the young guys along. Stone has shown that he is great with the young players, both on and off the ice. he's the perfect player to have as the Captain and mentor the young guys.

I think his value to the team as Captain and mentor is greater than what he would bring back in a trade, which I understand would be good also.

I also think, given their histories, Stone would likely be much more willing to invest time in a rebuild, as long as he saw the light at the end of the tunnel (you have to look real hard to see it). Duchene doesnt' have the time invested in this team, and he wants to win now...clearly much less willing to play the waiting game here.
- sensarmy_11

I never said there isn’t value in him signing. There is. There is just a lot of wasted years in his prime which in turn creates the question, why play here now, for him. I believe it was reported he turned down a 5 year deal that would have seen him make the same per year as Kane?

From an organizational standpoint, it just shows lack of direction again choosing to sign Stone and not Duchene and Karlsson. They would have signed here if they could.

People are looking way too much into the glass half full mentality during yet another mini implosion. I’d love to see Stone stay, I just feel there is less point of having a player of his calibre here if this team isn’t going to be competitive for 4-5 years.

I never said there isn’t value in him signing. There is. There is just a lot of wasted years in his prime which in turn creates the question, why play here now, for him. I believe it was reported he turned down a 5 year deal that would have seen him make the same per year as Kane?

From an organizational standpoint, it just shows lack of direction again choosing to sign Stone and not Duchene and Karlsson. They would have signed here if they could.

People are looking way too much into the glass half full mentality during yet another mini implosion. I’d love to see Stone stay, I just feel there is less point of having a player of his calibre here if this team isn’t going to be competitive for 4-5 years.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

4-5 years is a massive window for a rebuild. It doesn't take that long for teams to rebuild. Especially when you already have a lot of the pillars in place.

Chabot is already a #1 defenseman.

Tkachuk, Batherson, Formenton have the signs of being top 6 wingers.

White appears to be a strong centre (maybe not a #1), Brown is starting to show promise.

Wolanin, Jaros, Lajoie are looking promising- probably rushed at this point, but in a few years, I'd say they'll be NHL defenseman.


If you can supplement these young pieces, with more young pieces, and some veteran players in their prime (ie Stone)- I think in the very least you have a team thats competing for playoff spots within 2 years.

If we're talking Cup Contender- then maybe we're looking at 4 years, but let's be realistic here.

Now that is a very good, well reasoned response and it is hard to disagree with your logic or team priorities. However, have you taken into account the probability that Melnyk does not want to commit to spending that much money?

If Jesus was available, Melnyk would opt for Barabbus and the discount.
- spatso

Melnyk HAS to spend money....there's a cap floor.

at the end of the day, he either spends 9 mil (or whatever) on Stone, or else he has to significantly overpay a lesser player.

either way, he has to spend 60mil or whatever the floor ends up being

lols... i just don't like leafs fans harassing the guy in the Sens blog when those clowns start crying anytime someone even posts a 'hello' in their blog...
- kaptaan

He's earned every bit of it Kaptaan. Just like yourself.

He's earned every bit of it Kaptaan. Just like yourself.
- walshyleafsfan

maybe he hasnt' earned all of it, but he's earned a lot of it.

he's basically the Prock of Sens fans

Melnyk HAS to spend money....there's a cap floor.

at the end of the day, he either spends 9 mil (or whatever) on Stone, or else he has to significantly overpay a lesser player.

either way, he has to spend 60mil or whatever the floor ends up being
- sensarmy_11

Has anyone told him this yet?

Melnyk HAS to spend money....there's a cap floor.

at the end of the day, he either spends 9 mil (or whatever) on Stone, or else he has to significantly overpay a lesser player.

either way, he has to spend 60mil or whatever the floor ends up being
- sensarmy_11

I honestly think that Melnyk's instruction is to ice a team with the minimum amount of dollars out of his actual pocket.

Which means picking up contracts with big cap hits that are being paid by insurance dollars (ie- Clarkson, Lupul, etc)

4-5 years is a massive window for a rebuild. It doesn't take that long for teams to rebuild. Especially when you already have a lot of the pillars in place.

Chabot is already a #1 defenseman.

Tkachuk, Batherson, Formenton have the signs of being top 6 wingers.

White appears to be a strong centre (maybe not a #1), Brown is starting to show promise.

Wolanin, Jaros, Lajoie are looking promising- probably rushed at this point, but in a few years, I'd say they'll be NHL defenseman.


If you can supplement these young pieces, with more young pieces, and some veteran players in their prime (ie Stone)- I think in the very least you have a team thats competing for playoff spots within 2 years.

If we're talking Cup Contender- then maybe we're looking at 4 years, but let's be realistic here.
- Jordo

Glass half full mentality. Sens fans have played this game for a few years now. Substitute Wolanin, Jaros, and Lajoie with guys like Ceci, Cowen, etc. Substitute Tkachuk, Batherson, and Formenton for Lazar, Paul, Zibby, etc.

Veteran guys were guys like Alfie, Spezza, and to a lesser extent guys like Dion, Brassard, etc.

This team is further back than most fans would lead you to believe. Without committing to a core to go forward with, you will just see a wheel of mediocrity.

He's earned every bit of it Kaptaan. Just like yourself.
- walshyleafsfan

Yeah right. Keep telling yourself that. You and leaf fans are angels right? Always the victim.

Glass half full mentality. Sens fans have played this game for a few years now. Substitute Wolanin, Jaros, and Lajoie with guys like Ceci, Cowen, etc. Substitute Tkachuk, Batherson, and Formenton for Lazar, Paul, Zibby, etc.

Veteran guys were guys like Alfie, Spezza, and to a lesser extent guys like Dion, Brassard, etc.

This team is further back than most fans would lead you to believe. Without committing to a core to go forward with, you will just see a wheel of mediocrity.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

And this is the glass half empty mentality-

However- under your premise- the sens were competitive for several years under the players you mentioned. Let's be honest- the Sens haven't had any sustained failures until just recently. They've only missed the playoffs 5 of the last 23 seasons.

Did they contend? Well, they made it to the Cup Finals in 2007, and were one shot away from it in 2017.


Long story short- i get what you're saying. And it's certainly easy to be pessimistic given the black clouds above the team- but if there's one thing Dorion's good at- it's drafting. Ottawa's current prospect pool is testament to that. Do we overrate them? Maybe

Surely the reality needs to be somewhere in between

I'm hoping that the team is able to sign Mark Stone. He would be a great leader for the young players and it would be a whole lot easier to watch the Senators in the next 2 years.
We are still going to be terrible for the next 2-3 years. Our defence and goaltending is nowhere near good enough. We also need a true #1 center and another top line forward to be a contending team. If the team can hit on draft picks and Stone sticks around, we are maybe a playoff contender in 2021-2022.

And this is the glass half empty mentality-

However- under your premise- the sens were competitive for several years under the players you mentioned. Let's be honest- the Sens haven't had any sustained failures until just recently. They've only missed the playoffs 5 of the last 23 seasons.

Did they contend? Well, they made it to the Cup Finals in 2007, and were one shot away from it in 2017.


Long story short- i get what you're saying. And it's certainly easy to be pessimistic given the black clouds above the team- but if there's one thing Dorion's good at- it's drafting. Ottawa's current prospect pool is testament to that. Do we overrate them? Maybe

Surely the reality needs to be somewhere in between
- Jordo

Dorion is good at drafting? Not sure we can really judge him on that yet. He followed the Murray footprint once taking the job and his recent drafts are too young to really call yet.

Sens have not had any sustained failure, but they have not had any sustained success in the same amount of time since the “glory years”. The moment this team has a glimpse of hope, something unravels and they climb up the ladder only to fall again. This is attributed to poor asset management. Sure, maybe this team gets back to being competitive in 3 years, but there will be a new Hoffman, or Spezza, or Karlsson, etc. situation to that makes this team fall back unless this organization commits to something.


That’s my main frustration with this franchise right now. Having key components leave with no action plan on how to replace them. You could argue that this team hasn’t had a real “core” since 2006/2007. You have to have guys you build around. That used to be Alfie, then Spezza, then Karlsson, now Stone. It’s just an ugly cycle.

Hard to be positive with Eugene at the helm too.

The only Aho I want plays for Carolina.
- forbetterorWORSE

so true

I'm actually ok with the sens dealing both Duchene and Dzingel, we won't be competitive for a while despite all the bull Eugene is feeding.

Goaltending will be an issue down the road, and the way Gustavsson' been playing doesn't make me enthusiastic (albeit only 20)

I would like to see Stone signed, but if he doesn't wanna stay, can't be too surprised.

After a while you become immune to the disappointment, and Karlsson leaving was pretty much rock bottom..sooo it really can't get much worse.

Should make for an interesting deadline.

To Nashville

Matt Duchene (8 x 8.25m)
Ryan Dzingel (4 x 4.25m)

To Ottawa

Kyle Turris
Eeli Tolvanen
2019 1st
2020 3rd (2nd if they make finals/1st if they win cup >> either year)

*Obviously Kyle Turris and the owner make up. The Sens say in a statement that everyone wants him here* Stone resigns*

edit: thoughts?

To Nashville

Matt Duchene (8 x 8.25m)
Ryan Dzingel (4 x 4.25m)

To Ottawa

Kyle Turris
Eeli Tolvanen
2019 1st
2020 3rd (2nd if they make finals/1st if they win cup >> either year)

*Obviously Kyle Turris and the owner make up. The Sens say in a statement that everyone wants him here* Stone resigns*

edit: thoughts?
- AlfieisKing

So essentially Turris Duchene and a Top 3 pick for ?

What a freakin poop going show. Get the owner out of there
- Jkuzzi

I dont undertand your laughable logic.Turris got traded + assets for getting Duchene.How it can be turris,duchene and MAYBE top 3 pick? At worst its Duchene and MAYBE top 3 pick.Still over 20 games to play and senators could finish at best around 25,26 overall.There is not any generational talent in 2019 draft.The top end prospects that senators will get for duchene will likely be better than 99.9% of players available in 2019 draft while getting 1st round draft pick which i hope will be in 2020.

By exemple if senators manage to get tolvanen/fabbro,niku/vesaleinen/,foudy,valimaki or i dunno,i would not expected at all to have any of them 1vs1 for turris...let alone having a 1st round pick + good young player in addition.

Dorion can potentially make up for acquiring Duchene last year which was not that terrible value wise.Turris which is without a doubt less talented than Duchene + 1st round pick(who thought that senators would in last place this year at the time they acquired Duchene?).The other assets added in the trade are/were garbage.

Glass half full mentality. Sens fans have played this game for a few years now. Substitute Wolanin, Jaros, and Lajoie with guys like Ceci, Cowen, etc. Substitute Tkachuk, Batherson, and Formenton for Lazar, Paul, Zibby, etc.

Veteran guys were guys like Alfie, Spezza, and to a lesser extent guys like Dion, Brassard, etc.

This team is further back than most fans would lead you to believe. Without committing to a core to go forward with, you will just see a wheel of mediocrity.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

It's going to be different this time!

Glass half full mentality. Sens fans have played this game for a few years now. Substitute Wolanin, Jaros, and Lajoie with guys like Ceci, Cowen, etc. Substitute Tkachuk, Batherson, and Formenton for Lazar, Paul, Zibby, etc.

Veteran guys were guys like Alfie, Spezza, and to a lesser extent guys like Dion, Brassard, etc.

This team is further back than most fans would lead you to believe. Without committing to a core to go forward with, you will just see a wheel of mediocrity.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

I agree, and they will never commit to a core until they have an owner who can afford to.

This team will NEVER be great, or even really good, as long as melnyk owns the team.

With every passing year, he loses more money and has less to invest into the team.....so as long as he’s owner, it can only get worse, he can’t afford to make it better......even with a LeBreton deal.

I dont undertand your laughable logic.Turris got traded + assets for getting Duchene.How it can be turris,duchene and MAYBE top 3 pick? At worst its Duchene and MAYBE top 3 pick.Still over 20 games to play and senators could finish at best around 25,26 overall.There is not any generational talent in 2019 draft.The top end prospects that senators will get for duchene will likely be better than 99.9% of players available in 2019 draft while getting 1st round draft pick which i hope will be in 2020.

By exemple if senators manage to get tolvanen/fabbro,niku/vesaleinen/,foudy,valimaki or i dunno,i would not expected at all to have any of them 1vs1 for turris...let alone having a 1st round pick + good young player in addition.

Dorion can potentially make up for acquiring Duchene last year which was not that terrible value wise.Turris which is without a doubt less talented than Duchene + 1st round pick(who thought that senators would in last place this year at the time they acquired Duchene?).The other assets added in the trade are/were garbage.
- Laughinghyena666

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- plantheparade

I keep getting the Sens pick at 4th or worse.

I keep getting the Sens pick at 4th or worse.
- sportsdataguy

You won't find a Brady Tkachuk at #4 this year.

https://www.tsn.ca/caps-s...sjs-claim-haley-1.1260651

I’d pick him up. Sens can use the bodies with the UFAs going out