I guess we'll find out soon.

like I said, the guys on TSN are reporting that the preds are offering up Tolvanen (however you spell it) along with other assets, and he's a better prospect than either of the 2 I mentioned from the Isles.

you're heavily undervaluing them, based solely on the fact that they're rentals.

teams pay out the ass for rentals all the time, and rentals who are nowhere near the players that Duchene and Stone are.

and like I explained to you yesterday, the Duchene trade is likely to be a sign and trade....which increases his value significantly.
- sensarmy_11

Not better than Dobson.
- spatso

he's ranked higher on every list I've seen.

he's ranked inside the top 10 on every list I've seen of top affiliated prospects (TSN, NHL.com, Pronman, The Athletic, etc, etc)

the highest I saw Dobson was 18

wahlstrom isn't even ranked inside the top 50 in any list I saw

- Feds91Stammer

I mean I guess you do know more than Dreger, Mackenzie, Garioch, etc

I should probably start listening to what you have to say more than them.

please enlighten me, in all your wisdom, where's he going and what's the return going to be. you clearly have a lot of inside information.

I mean I guess you do know more than Dreger, Mackenzie, Garioch, etc

I should probably start listening to what you have to say more than them.

please enlighten me, in all your wisdom, where's he going and what's the return going to be. you clearly have a lot of inside information.
- sensarmy_11

Everyone knows more than Dreger

Everyone knows more than Dreger
- Feds91Stammer

so then enlighten us.....where is he going? what will the return be? will an extension be included?

I mean all the insiders from TSN, sportsnet, Sun, etc are all pretty much saying the same thing.....but you claim to know more.

he's ranked higher on every list I've seen.

he's ranked inside the top 10 on every list I've seen of top affiliated prospects (TSN, NHL.com, Pronman, The Athletic, etc, etc)

the highest I saw Dobson was 18

wahlstrom isn't even ranked inside the top 50 in any list I saw
- sensarmy_11

I am not disputing the ranking. But where a team is trying to assemble the best asset value for the long term it makes more sense to go with a potential #1 Dman. I am a huge fan of Dobson and thought he would have gone higher in the draft.

I think he helps take the Huskies to the Memorial Cup and as popular as he is now it ranking will be even higher come the spring.

so then enlighten us.....where is he going? what will the return be? will an extension be included?

I mean all the insiders from TSN, sportsnet, Sun, etc are all pretty much saying the same thing.....but you claim to know more.
- sensarmy_11

He is not claiming to know more. He is feeding you a pile of steaming horse poo and you are willing to eat it for him. Just say you disagree and move on.

so then enlighten us.....where is he going? what will the return be? will an extension be included?

I mean all the insiders from TSN, sportsnet, Sun, etc are all pretty much saying the same thing.....but you claim to know more.
- sensarmy_11

Do I?

He is not claiming to know more. He is feeding you a pile of steaming horse poo and your willing eating it for him. Just say you disagree and move on.
- spatso

I understand why they would sit him, to make sure he doesn't get injured. I'm still hoping it's a "just incase" they need to trade him scenario because I would still like to resign him.

Personally, I think it's kind of sad, they are apparently making a big push to resign Stone, however, if you want to resign Stone the best thing you can do is keep Duchene. Trading him just pushes Stone out the door.

Someone Fire PD

I am not disputing the ranking. But where a team is trying to assemble the best asset value for the long term it makes more sense to go with a potential #1 Dman. I am a huge fan of Dobson and thought he would have gone higher in the draft.

I think he helps take the Huskies to the Memorial Cup and as popular as he is now it ranking will be even higher come the spring.
- spatso

I’m hoping Lou doesn’t trade Dobson. I guess it’s possible who knows what Lameriello will do the guy is unpredictable but if we’re going to trade either of them I would rather it be wahlstrom.

I understand why they would sit him, to make sure he doesn't get injured. I'm still hoping it's a "just incase" they need to trade him scenario because I would still like to resign him.

Personally, I think it's kind of sad, they are apparently making a big push to resign Stone, however, if you want to resign Stone the best thing you can do is keep Duchene. Trading him just pushes Stone out the door.

Someone Fire PD
- Maverick1818

We saw the same thing in the Karlsson negotiations where the team stepped in to say they were trying to have Karlsson think about a new offer. It just fizzled after a few days.

I really do hope they sign Stone. But, I don't believe this happens unless someone arrives on the scene with buckets of money for Melnyk.

yeah spatso you seem out to lunch on prospect values around the league, compared to the consensus best prospects. Not that any of those players are bad, just that you can't fathom 1 top prospect being available. In regards to dobson, I would imagine the isle prefer to keep him, but would be open to including both wahlstrom and bellows, as forwards, as they would be getting a proven 1C/2C, thus having less of a need for their forward prospects, compared to D prospects.

Having said all this, that's the price teams SHOULD pay. But i don't trust Dorion to even get as much as detroit got for bloody tatar last year, who was a pile of hot garbage last year. That's how little I trust dorion. He is very much of the quantity over quality mindset, thinking he might hit 2 or 3 home runs with picks and lower tiered prospects, over taking the more sure thing prospects. Terrible idea. And yet reverses that theory when drafting. Takes the big sure fire NHL'rs and skips pure skill. Makes no sense

You'd think if Melnyk was selling the team he'd want Duchene signed so a potential buyer has something to sell the fans on. As I said a few days ago, the NHL is a gate driven league, you live or die with attendance numbers.

All this selling off of players signals Melnyk has no intention of selling the team. He loves being an owner, even though I'm not sure he can afford to be, so he's keeping costs down for his own benefit.

Just a few questions here:
If Duchene is not resigning why would Stone? The Sens management isn't giving him much hope and they don't seem to want to spend too much money.
If Dzingle can be signed for $4M or less for 4 - 5 years wouldn't it be wise to keep him?
Would getting two 1st round picks along with massive cap space be better than resigning both Duchene and Stone? This is the same issue CBJ has except they are trying to both be sellers and make the playoffs - seems a long shot.

We saw the same thing in the Karlsson negotiations where the team stepped in to say they were trying to have Karlsson think about a new offer. It just fizzled after a few days.

I really do hope they sign Stone. But, I don't believe this happens unless someone arrives on the scene with buckets of money for Melnyk.
- spatso

The hurdle is obviously the structure of the deal. I'm sure Stone's agent is pushing for lockout protection and up front money- which is more or less impossible for Melnyk given his widely reported financial status.

At the end of the day- Melnyk needs to pay money to get to the cap floor, but it'll be interesting to see the logistics of how he gets there- assuming he's still involved.

jesus man, that's pretty much all he ever posts.

when you post 1-2 "conspiracy theories" or ideas that are way out in left field.....fine, you can be given the benefit of the doubt.

when there are literally hundreds of posts from the same person, with nothing but insane theories and completely uninformed ideas......at some point you have to wonder if that person is, at best, insanely naive
- sensarmy_11

lols... i just don't like leafs fans harassing the guy in the Sens blog when those clowns start crying anytime someone even posts a 'hello' in their blog...

Just a few questions here:
If Duchene is not resigning why would Stone? The Sens management isn't giving him much hope and they don't seem to want to spend too much money.
If Dzingle can be signed for $4M or less for 4 - 5 years wouldn't it be wise to keep him?
Would getting two 1st round picks along with massive cap space be better than resigning both Duchene and Stone? This is the same issue CBJ has except they are trying to both be sellers and make the playoffs - seems a long shot.
- GeriHattric7

Sens have a really strong stable of prospects that are already mainstays (Chabot, Tkachuk, White), ones that are getting their feet wet and doing well (Balcers, Jaros, Wolanin, and to a lesser extent Lajoie), and more that are coming (Batherson, Formenton, Brown, Norris). Any returns from Duchene and Dzingel would only be adding to this already very solid base.

They'd be selling him on the future being bright and a turn-around in the next two years being quite plausible given these young players, and it being such a young man's league now.

Further- Stone, from all indications, loves it in Ottawa, and seems to be a loyal guy. If he resigns, he'll be the captain for sure, and the promise would be to lead the next group to the promised land.

I mean I guess you do know more than Dreger, Mackenzie, Garioch, etc

I should probably start listening to what you have to say more than them.

please enlighten me, in all your wisdom, where's he going and what's the return going to be. you clearly have a lot of inside information.
- sensarmy_11

everyone knows more than that pos dredger, but mackenzie and garrioch no.... they have some legit thoughts and insights... dredger just a hack and parrot... low iq

Everyone knows more than Dreger
- Feds91Stammer

He is not claiming to know more. He is feeding you a pile of steaming horse poo and you are willing to eat it for him. Just say you disagree and move on.
- spatso

i love your posts man.... this is classic....

i love your posts man.... this is classic....
- kaptaan

He has a good heart. But, sometimes he tries too hard.

In my opinion, if you don’t sign Duchene there is not much point in signing Stone. To me this organization could have a quick rebuild with Duchene and Stone but if you only have one, that’s a lot of pressure and sort of wasted time for a guy in his prime. I just don’t see the incentive for Stone to stay. I hope he does, but when you’ve seen guys like Karlsson, Duchene, and Hoffman leave, why are you gonna stay behind?

Too bad Dorion is trying the last-minute model to try and get things done. History has shown the best player in a deal usually wins the deal. I think people have to temper their expectations for a sizeable return for Duchene and (likely) Stone.

It’s going to be a long few years.

In my opinion, if you don’t sign Duchene there is not much point in signing Stone. To me this organization could have a quick rebuild with Duchene and Stone but if you only have one, that’s a lot of pressure and sort of wasted time for a guy in his prime. I just don’t see the incentive for Stone to stay. I hope he does, but when you’ve seen guys like Karlsson, Duchene, and Hoffman leave, why are you gonna stay behind?

Too bad Dorion is trying the last-minute model to try and get things done. History has shown the best player in a deal usually wins the deal. I think people have to temper their expectations for a sizeable return for Duchene and (likely) Stone.

It’s going to be a long few years.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

Two things.

When they signed a one year deal with Stone, just before arbitration, they set up the existing situation. They decided they would rather have a one year deal. It was not an accident.

At this point, a deep prospect pool is what serves them best. The right players will appear if they stay strong with rebuild priorities.

In my opinion, if you don’t sign Duchene there is not much point in signing Stone. To me this organization could have a quick rebuild with Duchene and Stone but if you only have one, that’s a lot of pressure and sort of wasted time for a guy in his prime. I just don’t see the incentive for Stone to stay. I hope he does, but when you’ve seen guys like Karlsson, Duchene, and Hoffman leave, why are you gonna stay behind?

Too bad Dorion is trying the last-minute model to try and get things done. History has shown the best player in a deal usually wins the deal. I think people have to temper their expectations for a sizeable return for Duchene and (likely) Stone.

It’s going to be a long few years.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

I disagree. I think, even in a rebuild where you go full youth, you still need a few solid vets to mentor the young guys along. Stone has shown that he is great with the young players, both on and off the ice. he's the perfect player to have as the Captain and mentor the young guys.

I think his value to the team as Captain and mentor is greater than what he would bring back in a trade, which I understand would be good also.

I also think, given their histories, Stone would likely be much more willing to invest time in a rebuild, as long as he saw the light at the end of the tunnel (you have to look real hard to see it). Duchene doesnt' have the time invested in this team, and he wants to win now...clearly much less willing to play the waiting game here.