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NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Feb 20 @ 2:24 PM ET
Regarding the next game, if Gudas is suspended, that means Ghost and AMac probably remain in the lineup. It’s what to do with the pairs? Myers added?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 20 @ 2:24 PM ET
One Ghost actually tipped in no? And off the draw Ghost wrapped a puck to noone, Mac didn't have his guy and they scored. Ghost was very much the culprit or had a hand in a couple goals last night.
- ClaudeFather


On the first goal against, MacDonald was double teamed in the corner on the puck while Gostisbehere stood and watched. Gostisbehere then failed to get out and cover the shooter and made a weak attempt at blocking the shot. I love Gostisbehere as a player and I'm not ready to give up on him but he needs to get his head out of his ass. I'm actually hoping that the speculation that he's dealing with some kind of injury is true because the other side of that is not good.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Feb 20 @ 2:25 PM ET
Well that is dumb of them as everyone should know Internet GM's always know as much or more then actual GM's.
- opeth_pa


I know silly right? If Fletcher was smart, like Chayka, he would start scouring the web looking for the talent we all know is there.

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 20 @ 2:26 PM ET
Hart was due to have a clunker, but lately it seems that everybody has clunkers when the play against Tampa. Please separate Ghost and Amac. That pairing just doesn't seem to work well. Sitting Amac for a game or two and playing Meyers wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.
- Thors-Hammer


Playing Myers with Gostisbehere is not really a good idea. Gostisbehere is the player that deserves to sit not MacDonald. He has been hanging out MacDonald to dry.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Feb 20 @ 2:26 PM ET
In a heartbeat!

Where do i sign up.

- ggunky


Right here.

xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Feb 20 @ 2:26 PM ET
One Ghost actually tipped in no? And off the draw Ghost wrapped a puck to noone, Mac didn't have his guy and they scored. Ghost was very much the culprit or had a hand in a couple goals last night.
- ClaudeFather


Mac lost sight of the puck. Killhorn was at an advantage because he was facing towards the net whereas Mac was facing killhorn. You do have to factor in knowing the pucks location when tying a guy up. If the puck isnt there he probably takes a penalty
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Feb 20 @ 2:27 PM ET
The whole article is a dumpster fire. Why, because it is based purely on ree ree Analytics. The fact it even mentions Charlie O’Connor, who is James Tanner of the Philly area.
- Glak18


Someone should inform The Athletic that they hired a guy who doesn't meet your high standards.
Big_E_88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wilmington, DE
Joined: 01.17.2014

Feb 20 @ 2:30 PM ET
Right here.


- Feanor


MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 20 @ 2:31 PM ET
Mac lost sight of the puck. Killhorn was at an advantage because he was facing towards the net whereas Mac was facing killhorn. You do have to factor in knowing the pucks location when tying a guy up. If the puck isnt there he probably takes a penalty
- xShoot4WarAmpsx


That's the issue on that play. MacDonald should forget about the puck and seal the man off or tie up his stick. As a veteran, he should know better and he needs to be better in that situation. It was too easy for Killorn.
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Feb 20 @ 2:31 PM ET
Playing Myers with Gostisbehere is not really a good idea. Gostisbehere is the player that deserves to sit not MacDonald. He has been hanging out MacDonald to dry.
- MJL



while I agree Ghost has been the worse of the 2, AMAC has been struggling almost as much. AMAC has been falling and making bad reads. Each is feeding off the other. I actually think both would do better with Myers. Myers will play a simple game and has size and is quick to the puck. Ghost is just slow and yes I hope it is an injury. It is really his straight ahead speed, he should stay on his edges as much as possible. AMAC tends to back off and that makes him slow to the puck.
Sinisalo4vr
Location: Dont f with the Jesus, PA
Joined: 06.24.2016

Feb 20 @ 2:31 PM ET
You misunderstand Ruben Amaro Jr. He feigned ignorance of analytics as a competitive advantage. He even said so himself!
- StepfordSam

Yeah that’s it. That’s the ticket.
Landsbergfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gävle, Sweden
Joined: 07.15.2014

Feb 20 @ 2:33 PM ET
The pen refs and tampon refs gettin a hearing for blown whistles and a phantom goalie interference call. Gudas gets a free week in Vegas! Paid by Bettman from his own pockets. 😇💪
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Feb 20 @ 2:37 PM ET
I know silly right? If Fletcher was smart, like Chayka, he would start scouring the web looking for the talent we all know is there.


- Glak18


Hockey teams around the league have been hiring statistical analysts who got their start online.

https://www.nytimes.com/2...umbers-not-opponents.html

https://russianmachinenev...evgeny-kuznetsov-numbers/
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 20 @ 2:37 PM ET
while I agree Ghost has been the worse of the 2, AMAC has been struggling almost as much. AMAC has been falling and making bad reads. Each is feeding off the other. I actually think both would do better with Myers. Myers will play a simple game and has size and is quick to the puck. Ghost is just slow and yes I hope it is an injury. It is really his straight ahead speed, he should stay on his edges as much as possible. AMAC tends to back off and that makes him slow to the puck.
- wcorvette


MacDonald has had a few plays that he could have played better but overall he has been playing well in my opinion. MacDonald is not struggling in his play overall.
Sinisalo4vr
Location: Dont f with the Jesus, PA
Joined: 06.24.2016

Feb 20 @ 2:38 PM ET
Pelley-Smith anyone?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 20 @ 2:38 PM ET
Hockey teams around the league have been hiring statistical analysts who got their start online.

https://www.nytimes.com/2...umbers-not-opponents.html

https://russianmachinenev...evgeny-kuznetsov-numbers/

- Feanor


The science of analytics is not the issue, it's the collection of data available to the online sites.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Feb 20 @ 2:39 PM ET
Someone should inform The Athletic that they hired a guy who doesn't meet your high standards.
- Feanor


At least he doesn't use crayons, see my standards aren't that high.
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Feb 20 @ 2:39 PM ET

I had really hoped that #13 on Tampa would be fined for his dive at the beginning of the 3rd. That was better acting than a B rated movie, but an extreme embarrassment to the game.

StepfordSam
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 02.06.2017

Feb 20 @ 2:39 PM ET
Hockey teams around the league have been hiring statistical analysts who got their start online.

https://www.nytimes.com/2...umbers-not-opponents.html

https://russianmachinenev...evgeny-kuznetsov-numbers/

- Feanor


False narrative. Good hockey men that have been recycled over and over again across multiple organizations are the clear authority on hockey.

I’ll trust the hockey guys.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Feb 20 @ 2:40 PM ET
MacDonald has had a few plays that he could have played better but overall he has been playing well in my opinion. MacDonald is not struggling in his play overall.
- MJL


MacDonald is struggling so much he'll be out of the league within a year. Just like Lehtera and Manning before him.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Feb 20 @ 2:42 PM ET
Simmonds to Toronto
Gudas to San Jose or Dallas
Ghost to Minnesota
Raffl to WPG
AMac to the Phantoms

GIT IT DONE FLETCH
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Feb 20 @ 2:43 PM ET
False narrative. Good hockey men that have been recycled over and over again across multiple organizations are the clear authority on hockey.

I’ll trust the hockey guys.

- StepfordSam


The funniest part is that these analysts were hired by the Wild when Chuck Fletcher was GM. So the genius known as Glak18 was actually mocking the idea that Fletcher would do something as Flyers GM that he has in fact already done on his previous team.

https://www.iowawild.com/...o-get-most-out-of-players

Mandrycky and Andrew Thomas, the Wild’s leading data researcher, are the ones responsible for coming up with “a lot of stuff.”

Chuck Fletcher, then Minnesota’s general manager, hired the two analysts who had attracted attention through Thomas’ development of the website War on Ice, which tracked statistical information from NHL games. Mandrycky, a Georgia Tech graduate, had joined the staff initially as a volunteer.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Feb 20 @ 2:43 PM ET
Hockey teams around the league have been hiring statistical analysts who got their start online.

https://www.nytimes.com/2...umbers-not-opponents.html

https://russianmachinenev...evgeny-kuznetsov-numbers/

- Feanor


MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 20 @ 2:45 PM ET
MacDonald is struggling so much he'll be out of the league within a year. Just like Lehtera and Manning before him.
- Feanor


Always an interesting argument. Every NHL players career comes to an end at some point. Lots of new players come into the league every year. Your prognostication there has no bearing on how MacDonald is currently playing and really is a silly argument.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Feb 20 @ 2:45 PM ET
Pelley-Smith anyone?
- Sinisalo4vr


He’s def an upgrade on bailey
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