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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 20 @ 10:52 AM ET
Edit: Sam’s original quote may have been on Twitter but here.

https://www.prohockeyrumo...or-moved-by-deadline.html

https://www.philly.com/fl...ck-fletcher-20190219.html

- NC Flyers Fan



Thanks.
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Feb 20 @ 10:56 AM ET
Leave it to (frank)ing Gudas to get suspended right before we could potentially trade him. (frank)ing knucklehead.
- johndewar


If that was his thinking, we should bench him anyway. Suspension...the surprise opportunity for Myers.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Feb 20 @ 10:58 AM ET
If that was his thinking, we should bench him anyway. Suspension...the surprise opportunity for Myers.
- NC Flyers Fan


I was being facetious. Gudas' timing just sucks.
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Feb 20 @ 11:00 AM ET
I was being facetious. Gudas' timing just sucks.
- johndewar


Nice...I hope that’s it. Still opportunity for Myers
ggunky
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I like cold beverages, NJ
Joined: 04.09.2008

Feb 20 @ 11:12 AM ET
1st + Myers for Duchene.
- Feanor



In a heartbeat!

Where do i sign up.

Dkos
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gritty, PA
Joined: 01.15.2007

Feb 20 @ 11:13 AM ET
There is a hearing. He is going to get suspended.
- MJL


It was such a blatant axe chop to the top of the head They almost have to give him something.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Feb 20 @ 11:13 AM ET
In a heartbeat!

Where do i sign up.

- ggunky



Really.

Just for poops and giggles. If I am sending a first and Myers to Ottawa i am going for Stone. Not Duchene
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Feb 20 @ 11:20 AM ET
Really.

Just for poops and giggles. If I am sending a first and Myers to Ottawa i am going for Stone. Not Duchene

- J35Bacher

Would heavily consider going after Duchene and brining Frost into the league to replace Simmonds on the wing. Myers is too much in addition to a 1st tho. Would probably do a 1st and O'Brien with an extension being in place for Duchene.
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Feb 20 @ 11:21 AM ET

With all the Ghost talk there is this...

https://www.broadstreetho...rade-rumor-this-is-stupid

I don’t like the tone of the whole piece and it fails to address the biggest gripe. The eye test shows Ghost’s play to be extremely up some games and extremely down during others. Do the game by game advanced stats show this?

Tfaehner
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.25.2012

Feb 20 @ 11:28 AM ET
Really.

Just for poops and giggles. If I am sending a first and Myers to Ottawa i am going for Stone. Not Duchene

- J35Bacher


Yes. Duchene is a fine player but he wants superstar money for a guy who broke 60 points once and is average defensively. You don't get Myers and a first from me for that especially a lottery first
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Feb 20 @ 11:42 AM ET
With all the Ghost talk there is this...

https://www.broadstreetho...rade-rumor-this-is-stupid

I don’t like the tone of the whole piece and it fails to address the biggest gripe. The eye test shows Ghost’s play to be extremely up some games and extremely down during others. Do the game by game advanced stats show this?

- NC Flyers Fan


The whole article is a dumpster fire. Why, because it is based purely on ree ree Analytics. The fact it even mentions Charlie O’Connor, who is James Tanner of the Philly area.

In one breath they use adjusted Corsi numbers to prove how bad someone is then right after they make excuses how the numbers don't reflect how good someone else has been based on their numbers. It's a circle jerk of numbers to paint their own story and nothing more.

In 2-3 years the Corsi people will be making fun of people who use to use them and it is going to be hilarious to watch.
GudasNew
Florida Panthers
Location: DE
Joined: 03.03.2015

Feb 20 @ 11:43 AM ET
GUDDDOOOO-CHOP!
Big_E_88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wilmington, DE
Joined: 01.17.2014

Feb 20 @ 11:43 AM ET
How terrible is it that we have to see that stupid William Hill online gambling commercial 40-50 times per game? So annoying, and kinda sad that they can't find any other sponsors to pay for that time. I watch most games with my 6 year old son and he knows almost every word. It's pretty funny when he recites it & acts it out, but makes me feel a little awkward as a father.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Feb 20 @ 11:47 AM ET
GUDDDOOOO-CHOP!
- GudasNew


Bravo!
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Feb 20 @ 11:49 AM ET
GUDDDOOOO-CHOP!
- GudasNew


Dude.....c'mon!

I thought fatherhood was supposed to mellow you out.
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Feb 20 @ 11:52 AM ET
The whole article is a dumpster fire. Why, because it is based purely on ree ree Analytics. The fact it even mentions Charlie O’Connor, who is James Tanner of the Philly area.

In one breath they use adjusted Corsi numbers to prove how bad someone is then right after they make excuses how the numbers don't reflect how good someone else has been based on their numbers. It's a circle jerk of numbers to paint their own story and nothing more.

In 2-3 years the Corsi people will be making fun of people who use to use them and it is going to be hilarious to watch.

- Glak18


Is there an advanced stats site you like? I’m seriously asking. I find the ideas behind using them fascinating but can’t seem to find the stats I’d like to see.

johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Feb 20 @ 11:52 AM ET
The whole article is a dumpster fire. Why, because it is based purely on ree ree Analytics. The fact it even mentions Charlie O’Connor, who is James Tanner of the Philly area.

In one breath they use adjusted Corsi numbers to prove how bad someone is then right after they make excuses how the numbers don't reflect how good someone else has been based on their numbers. It's a circle jerk of numbers to paint their own story and nothing more.

In 2-3 years the Corsi people will be making fun of people who use to use them and it is going to be hilarious to watch.

- Glak18


The linked article was supposed to be snarky, I guess. Not all writers are good at that and I'm not sure that guy is either.

You don't like Charlie? I actually think he's pretty reasonable (both at the Athletic and on Twitter).
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Feb 20 @ 11:55 AM ET
How terrible is it that we have to see that stupid William Hill online gambling commercial 40-50 times per game? So annoying, and kinda sad that they can't find any other sponsors to pay for that time. I watch most games with my 6 year old son and he knows almost every word. It's pretty funny when he recites it & acts it out, but makes me feel a little awkward as a father.
- Big_E_88


nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Feb 20 @ 12:04 PM ET
This is one of those posts where it is really hard to understand without knowing you, or tone, body language cues.

I’ll just ask, was any part facetious?

- NC Flyers Fan



just look at the user name. I do want to know who's alter ego Stepford Sam is
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Feb 20 @ 12:16 PM ET
just look at the user name. I do want to know who's alter ego Stepford Sam is
- nastyflyergirl


Flyersbuzz is full of interesting people. It would be hilarious to have people describe who they think a poster is in real life, then have a reveal. Of course, we are no longer anonymous then. I have a feeling that some folks would be shocked.

wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Feb 20 @ 12:19 PM ET
the team badly needs speeds and skill.

any trade that upgrades that, that is a hockey trade, make it.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Feb 20 @ 12:21 PM ET
Is there an advanced stats site you like? I’m seriously asking. I find the ideas behind using them fascinating but can’t seem to find the stats I’d like to see.
- NC Flyers Fan


The problem with analytics now is the statistics tracked and licensed are limited. So right now people are grasping and making the best out of what they have to work with. This is why everything is based off shot attempts because SAP started to track them more in depth. Now shot attempts are being used to show possession, offense, defense and anything else they can make up out of it. Sadly most of the people that depend on the analytics right now use them as absolute findings, but in reality they are based off of a generic forecasting model to show patterns and predictability. Technically the numbers are not flawed, but how people use them are.

When actual individual puck possession and player movement is tracked and implemented with other collected data points then a whole new world will be opened up. Until those numbers are released to the public people will just continue to fudge the numbers accordingly to write a story that fills their narrative.
cdearth23
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wilkes-Barre, PA
Joined: 08.06.2015

Feb 20 @ 12:25 PM ET
Simmer seemed to have extra jump last night. Interesting.

Ghost is toast. No team would trade for him. At least not offer a suitable return for us.

Even though Hart let up 3 it seems that you can pinpoint exactly what caused the goal. Turnovers, poor coverage, tips, etc. That goal Elliott let up, even though he played well in his return, was disturbingly common with our other goalies. He seemed to be in position but it still got in. Hart has been a true difference maker.

G needs to step up. Playing center really reduces his production. TB seemed to knock TK all over the ice. And Pigeon hasn't been any help lately.

Young guys starting to produce. Love to see Lindblom get going here. 2nd PP starting to get comfortable with each other.

Let's give Myers a look for rest of year. I like Bailey. Nice wheels, big frame. Needs to be a little more physical. He was knocked off puck a few times.

Still longshot for playoffs. Not mathematically out and stranger things have happened. We will need another team to falter down stretch.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Feb 20 @ 12:27 PM ET
How terrible is it that we have to see that stupid William Hill online gambling commercial 40-50 times per game? So annoying, and kinda sad that they can't find any other sponsors to pay for that time. I watch most games with my 6 year old son and he knows almost every word. It's pretty funny when he recites it & acts it out, but makes me feel a little awkward as a father.
- Big_E_88

It's 10x more annoying when your realize the background music in that commercial sounds like baby shark.
bulet13
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Faceoffs, Plus/Minus, and PIMs...the Holy Trinity, TX
Joined: 03.10.2013

Feb 20 @ 12:29 PM ET
the team badly needs speeds and skill.

any trade that upgrades that, that is a hockey trade, make it.

- wcorvette


Pretty sure any team wouldn't mind speed and skill lol
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