Hainsey won a cup a couple of seasons ago and was a significant piece on a team playing without their best d-man.



- winsix

I am aware, but 3 years can be a big difference when a players enters his late 30's.
And the Pens were forced into that situation. The Leafs give up big futures for a better D and have him 5th in TOI amonst D. They don't have to have Hainsey playing this role. And he's playing too much. He'll be useless in the playoffs.

I am aware, but 3 years can be a big difference when a players enters his late 30's.
And the Pens were forced into that situation. The Leafs give up big futures for a better D and have him 5th in TOI amonst D. They don't have to have Hainsey playing this role. And he's playing too much. He'll be useless in the playoffs.
- RogerRoeper

If you are referring to moving either Kapanen or Johnsson for Brett (Joe) Pesce I hope the Dubas doesn't make that move. I haven't seen enough of him to properly evaluate, but the career numbers are meh. If it can be for Gauthier and a minor league player not named Bracco ok. Otherwise pass on the plumber.

If you are referring to moving either Kapanen or Johnsson for Brett (Joe) Pesce I hope the Dubas doesn't make that move. I haven't seen enough of him to properly evaluate, but the career numbers are meh. If it can be for Gauthier and a minor league player not named Bracco ok. Otherwise pass on the plumber.



- winsix

I would move Johnnson....

He is good and all but lets not over evaluate him here...He likely won't be a core part of the team ever.

I would move Johnnson....

He is good and all but lets not over evaluate him here...He likely won't be a core part of the team ever.
- Santo_44

His #'s suggest he is a very good top 6 winger. How do we know Babock will use Pesce properly?

His #'s suggest he is a very good top 6 winger. How do we know Babock will use Pesce properly?
- RogerRoeper

We won't know until playoffs.

This is the regular season....A time where you mix around your players to see what you have. And its TDL time, again a time where you need to mix your players around to see what you have.

You need to stop freaking out over TOI. It is the regular season. Playoffs is two months away. Stop spending so much time stressing over something that will certainly be different from now and playoffs.

I would move Johnnson....

He is good and all but lets not over evaluate him here...He likely won't be a core part of the team ever.
- Santo_44

Johnsson: 15 goals, 31 pts, +20, with about 12 minutes of playing time in 51 games in his rookie season. Led the AHL team and was their best player on a championship team. Tenacious checker, like Marner and Kapanen - Over evaluate????? I would think hard to trade until we have a better idea of what we have here.

[quote=winsix]If you are referring to moving either Kapanen or Johnsson for Brett (Joe) Pesce I hope the Dubas doesn't make that move. I haven't seen enough of him to properly evaluate, but the career numbers are meh. If it can be for Gauthier and a minor league player not named Bracco ok. Otherwise pass on the plumber.

https://public.tableau.co...YFW6PY?:display_count=yes

Also you aren't giving Pesce enough credit....But also you do have a point that people overate him.

Him and Gudas are not far off...They are both good 3-4 d men.

Johnsson: 15 goals, 31 pts, +20, with about 12 minutes of playing time in 51 games in his rookie season. Led the AHL team and was their best player on a championship team. Tenacious checker, like Marner and Kapanen - Over evaluate????? I would think hard to trade until we have a better idea of what we have here.
- winsix

He is 24 years old...That can not be overlooked and a lot of people do.

I am not trying to bring Johnnson down but I would take a 2nd pairing D on a decent contract all day over him.

Leafs...such a soft team...

We won't know until playoffs.

This is the regular season....A time where you mix around your players to see what you have. And its TDL time, again a time where you need to mix your players around to see what you have.

You need to stop freaking out over TOI. It is the regular season. Playoffs is two months away. Stop spending so much time stressing over something that will certainly be different from now and playoffs.
- Santo_44

Why hurt yourself in the regular season and potentially cost yourself home ice?
It's without question Johnsson is better than Marleau.

He is 24 years old...That can not be overlooked and a lot of people do.

I am not trying to bring Johnnson down but I would take a 2nd pairing D on a decent contract all day over him.
- Santo_44

He's 24 as a rookie because he's a 7th rounder. Guys in the late rounds always get off to a later start in their careers. No one forgets that but it's irrelevant right now.

Leafs...such a soft team...
- katanut

lol: lol: lol:

Poster of the year right here

He is 24 years old...That can not be overlooked and a lot of people do.

I am not trying to bring Johnnson down but I would take a 2nd pairing D on a decent contract all day over him.
- Santo_44

you're 100% right in your evaluation.

He's 24 as a rookie because he's a 7th rounder. Guys in the late rounds always get off to a later start in their careers. No one forgets that but it's irrelevant right now.
- RogerRoeper

Yeah, almost ready for the retirement home...

Why hurt yourself in the regular season and potentially cost yourself home ice?
It's without question Johnsson is better than Marleau.
- RogerRoeper

You are way overgeneralizing here.

But seems like its a repeating theme with you.

You are way overgeneralizing here.

But seems like its a repeating theme with you.
- Santo_44

WE need to get rid of Marleau, not worry about trading Johnsson.

He's 24 as a rookie because he's a 7th rounder. Guys in the late rounds always get off to a later start in their careers. No one forgets that but it's irrelevant right now.
- RogerRoeper

huh? His draft position is irrelevant now.

Do we give Par Lindholm a free pass too because it is his first year in the NHL? No.

Kap is 21 and Johnnson is 24.

Johnnson is a rookie and Kap is not.

Guess who has more room to grow? Kapanen.

He is 24. That matters as much as people don't like to think it does.

WE need to get rid of Marleau, not worry about trading Johnsson.
- RogerRoeper

Man this is just getting stupid now.



No one is trying to trade Johnnson away.

But people want to add a D. Johnnson helps us there.

Leafs...such a soft team...
- katanut

Such a soft team... that has consistently been in the top 5 teams in the league this year.

Man this is just getting stupid now.



No one is trying to trade Johnnson away.

But people want to add a D. Johnnson helps us there.
- Santo_44

How do we know the coach even uses that D once we trade assets for him? I would worry about that and discuss with the coach first.

huh? His draft position is irrelevant now.

Do we give Par Lindholm a free pass too because it is his first year in the NHL? No.

Kap is 21 and Johnnson is 24.

Johnnson is a rookie and Kap is not.

Guess who has more room to grow? Kapanen.

He is 24. That matters as much as people don't like to think it does.
- Santo_44

Even if he doesn't "Grow", he's still a top 6 forward NOW. He beats the odds and with hard work looks real solid as a 7th rounder. Who cares about his age?

How do we know the coach even uses that D once we trade assets for him? I would worry about that and discuss with the coach first.
- RogerRoeper

Holy (frank)

This line is proof that you need to stop overgeneralizing things

Even if he doesn't "Grow", he's still a top 6 forward NOW. He beats the odds and with hard work looks real solid as a 7th rounder. Who cares about his age?
- RogerRoeper

You aren't making sense.

I am saying his age matters in how you evaluate him as a prospect.

Him and Kapanen have very similar production this year.

If LA offers you Doughty in some fairy tale magical land and you get to choose which one goes the other way.

It is Johnnson 10 times out of 10. Kapanen has much more room to grow.

WE need to get rid of Marleau, not worry about trading Johnsson.
- RogerRoeper

I'm afraid we're not getting rid of Marleau.

https://www.pensionplanpu...ut-maple-leafs-salary-cap

We should be focusing on trading Zaitsev. Getting rid of that albatross of a contract would solve A LOT of problems.

huh? His draft position is irrelevant now.

Do we give Par Lindholm a free pass too because it is his first year in the NHL? No.

Kap is 21 and Johnnson is 24.

Johnnson is a rookie and Kap is not.

Guess who has more room to grow? Kapanen.

He is 24. That matters as much as people don't like to think it does.
- Santo_44

yeah Johnsson is 24, similar story to undrafted Tyler Johnson on Tampa. Not exactly like but not far off, numbers of 22-23 year old 3 rd round pick Brad Marchand. Truth is we don't know what Johnsson will turn out to be - looks pretty good right now. (frank) Lindholm - don't see any reason he is on the team.