Explain.
- EdmHockeyMan

Yet another downgrade trade.

The Spooner for Gagner trade.
- MaximumBone

How does it hurt us

Yet another downgrade trade.
- MaximumBone

I think Gagner will be an upgrade on Spooner.... which isn't too hard

I think Gagner will be an upgrade on Spooner.... which isn't too hard
- Reveen.

This.

Yet another downgrade trade.
- MaximumBone

How do you see it as a downgrade?

I can understand the age difference, but Gagner is just one season removed from a career high. He was also a fan favorite during his time in Edmonton as well.

He is doing well in the AHL this season too (if that amounts to anything).

Spooner hasn't amounted to anything at all during his time here.

I have higher hopes in Gagner doing anything useful compared to Spooner.

I think Gagner will be an upgrade on Spooner.... which isn't too hard
- Reveen.

This x2.

Even if Gagner doesn't get called up (highly doubt it), he would be an excellent addition to a streaking hot BAKO team (assuming the Marlie's loan is terminated...). He is doing well in the AHL, has vet experience in the NHL, and has respectable talent.

Either way, this trade is a win in any way you look at it considering how limited our options were with Spooner in terms of the trade market.

How do you see it as a downgrade?

I can understand the age difference, but Gagner is just one season removed from a career high. He was also a fan favorite during his time in Edmonton as well.

He is doing well in the AHL this season too (if that amounts to anything).

Spooner hasn't amounted to anything at all during his time here.

I have higher hopes in Gagner doing anything useful compared to Spooner.
- EdmHockeyMan

Age-wise, recent history of production at 5-on-5 and skating ability (average to below average). The buyout is slightly better, at least.

Sounds like Shero might be moving Johansson....too bad we couldn’t get in on that

Sounds like Shero might be moving Johansson....too bad we couldn’t get in on that
- RatedR80

Pulju and a 2nd?

Age-wise, recent history of production at 5-on-5 and skating ability (average to below average). The buyout is slightly better, at least.
- MaximumBone

Age wise, okay, that makes some sense.

Recent history of production at 5v5 tho... in 41 games this season, Spooner has only produced 5 points in 5v5 situations (0.12 PPG in 5v5 sit.). Gagner on the other hand (while not counting the 7 games he played this season as doing so would actually increase his PPG in 5v5 sit., so your call there) has produced 16 points in 5v5 situations (0.21 PPG in 5v5 sit) in 74 games last season (I counted the most recent 40+ game season for both players as my data set).



Spooner:


Gagner:


From Hockey ref (5v5 situations). You could say that Spooner did have good 5v5 production 1 year ago, but you said recent 5v5 production, so I only looked at the most recent season (more than 40 games played) of each player. Even if you do want to take the career average of each player with regards to 5v5 production, Gagner edges Spooner by 2 points when scaled to 82 game avg. production comparisons.

And Gagner has good skating ability and agility. I don't recall Gagner being noted as having below average or even average skating ability? He is definitely a decent player to gamble on considering where the NHL is heading towards (speed, fast-paced hockey).

The buyout option is definitely not better.

Even if Gagner doesn't get called up (highly doubt it), he would be an excellent addition to a streaking hot BAKO team (assuming the Marlie's loan is terminated...). He is doing well in the AHL, has vet experience in the NHL, and has respectable talent.

Either way, this trade is a win in any way you look at it considering how limited our options were with Spooner in terms of the trade market.
- EdmHockeyMan

Dito for the canucks, its a sideways trade, each player gets a fresh start, gagne on the marlies playing against the comets in the playoffs possibly would not be good, spooner had 3 45 point seasons in boston, he is a passer and the nucks have enough shooters so maybe he fits or he helps the comets in the playoffs.

Pulju and a 2nd?
- RafiDRW

Shero will be sad that it’s not Chia on the other end of the phone

I can only guess that the Oilers feel that Gagner will be better for them at the NHL level then Spooner will be....I can only guess now that Gagner will play for the Oilers they will finally send Puju down for the rest of the season....it certainly opens the door for just that then the new GM can figure out what he wants to do with Puju

I can only guess that the Oilers feel that Gagner will be better for them at the NHL level then Spooner will be....I can only guess now that Gagner will play for the Oilers they will finally send Puju down for the rest of the season....it certainly opens the door for just that then the new GM can figure out what he wants to do with Puju
- RatedR80

This is my dearest hope.

This is my dearest hope.
- Wildschwein

It’s now or never with Puju....if I understand the CBA correctly once he signs that RFA deal he will have to clear waivers in order to be sent down....so this seems like a no brainer to me at the moment....they have to do it now

Dito for the canucks, its a sideways trade, each player gets a fresh start, gagne on the marlies playing against the comets in the playoffs possibly would not be good, spooner had 3 45 point seasons in boston, he is a passer and the nucks have enough shooters so maybe he fits or he helps the comets in the playoffs.
- Bettmanhatesus

I can only guess that the Oilers feel that Gagner will be better for them at the NHL level then Spooner will be....I can only guess now that Gagner will play for the Oilers they will finally send Puju down for the rest of the season....it certainly opens the door for just that then the new GM can figure out what he wants to do with Puju
- RatedR80

This.

Age wise, okay, that makes some sense.

Recent history of production at 5v5 tho... in 41 games this season, Spooner has only produced 5 points in 5v5 situations (0.12 PPG in 5v5 sit.). Gagner on the other hand (while not counting the 7 games he played this season as doing so would actually increase his PPG in 5v5 sit., so your call there) has produced 16 points in 5v5 situations (0.21 PPG in 5v5 sit) in 74 games last season (I counted the most recent 40+ game season for both players as my data set).

And Gagner has good skating ability and agility. I don't recall Gagner being noted as having below average or even average skating ability? He is definitely a decent player to gamble on considering where the NHL is heading towards (speed, fast-paced hockey).

The buyout option is definitely not better.
- EdmHockeyMan

I consider recent to be including the last 3 seasons. They're not that far removed from one another, but Spooner's most recent success is more recent than Gagner's.

I distinctly remember Gagner's biggest flaws being his defensive shortcomings (not for lack of trying, to his credit) and his below average acceleration and barely average straight line speed. My recollection could prove incorrect as the last time I really watched him actively was back around 2013.

The buyout is clearly better for Gagner, I don't get why you'd argue that.

It’s now or never with Puju....if I understand the CBA correctly once he signs that RFA deal he will have to clear waivers in order to be sent down....so this seems like a no brainer to me at the moment....they have to do it now
- RatedR80

I could see him not signing and heading back to Europe for a couple years. Then coming back once the tough years are over and the team's back on the upswing and Puljujarvi will have had some extra development time.

I can only guess that the Oilers feel that Gagner will be better for them at the NHL level then Spooner will be....I can only guess now that Gagner will play for the Oilers they will finally send Puju down for the rest of the season....it certainly opens the door for just that then the new GM can figure out what he wants to do with Puju
- RatedR80

if gagner has an 8 pt game and then shats the bed every other game, this will be a win for the oilers

I consider recent to be including the last 3 seasons. They're not that far removed from one another, but Spooner's most recent success is more recent than Gagner's.

I distinctly remember Gagner's biggest flaws being his defensive shortcomings (not for lack of trying, to his credit) and his below average acceleration and barely average straight line speed. My recollection could prove incorrect as the last time I really watched him actively was back around 2013.

The buyout is clearly better for Gagner, I don't get why you'd argue that.
- MaximumBone

What I will offer in Gagner's favour is that he seems to be better than Spooner at keeping the chance share battle close. Spooner is pretty notorious for getting caved while Gagner has some fluctuation between winning it and only being somewhat caved.

I could see him not signing and heading back to Europe for a couple years. Then coming back once the tough years are over and the team's back on the upswing and Puljujarvi will have had some extra development time.
- MaximumBone

He is certainly free to do just that and tbh it’s not a bad idea at all.....the Oilers lose nothing because they still own his NHL rights

if gagner has an 8 pt game and then shats the bed every other game, this will be a win for the oilers
- DeflatedPucks

Just like the old days

He is certainly free to do just that and tbh it’s not a bad idea at all.....the Oilers lose nothing because they still own his NHL rights
- RatedR80

So long as there's a concrete plan in order with him. Have a real and open discussion with him regarding our team's failures surrounding him and what the plan going forward will be.