All good but swap one of appleton, Stanley, or Lemieux in for Vesalainen
Could also see another Moose player like Spacek or Harkins involved.

How are your prospects (forgive my spelling) Bathurst and fortenon looking?
- Ross77

zero chance, IMO, that a deal gets done without Vesalainen being the cornerstone piece coming back.

Stone is instantly the best winger on your team....yes, he's better than laine and wheeler. you get stone and you are instantly the best team in the west, and probably pretty damn close to on par with Tampa.

Batherson is a beast, kid is tearing up the AHL as a rookie, he'll be a for sure top six winger in the NHL soon.

Formenton missed a couple of months, just getting back now. looks like a man among boys in the OHL. i expect he'll be in the AHL next year, tearing it up, similar to batherson

All good but swap one of appleton, Stanley, or Lemieux in for Vesalainen
Could also see another Moose player like Spacek or Harkins involved.

How are your prospects (forgive my spelling) Bathurst and fortenon looking?
- Ross77

https://theahl.com/top-li...ing-senators-playoff-push

Good story on Sens prospects. Looking very good. At least a half dozen kids will push for starting jobs with the big team next year.

I don't think that Dorion goes to Winnipeg to scout a third piece unless the 1st and Vesalainen are already in the bag.

zero chance, IMO, that a deal gets done without Vesalainen being the cornerstone piece coming back.

Stone is instantly the best winger on your team....yes, he's better than laine and wheeler. you get stone and you are instantly the best team in the west, and probably pretty damn close to on par with Tampa.

Batherson is a beast, kid is tearing up the AHL as a rookie, he'll be a for sure top six winger in the NHL soon.

Formenton missed a couple of months, just getting back now. looks like a man among boys in the OHL. i expect he'll be in the AHL next year, tearing it up, similar to batherson
- sensarmy_11

We went through this with Karlsson.

We went through this with Karlsson.
- walshyleafsfan

Ottawa got SJs top prospect, Josh Norris is now in our farm system

i think the "roster guys" were probably rumoured to be a bit better......but if there is one thing i actually trust Dorion with it's his ability to judge a good prospect.

i think Balcers and Norris both have high upside......and having a 2nd 1st rd pick in 2020, a draft that is supposed to be really strong, is never a bad thing.

could the deal have been a bit better.....sure.....but all things considered, i think Dorion did okay.
- sensarmy_11

Dorion certainly has the reputation as being able to evaluate horse flesh.

He fought to get Karlsson, same for Chabot.

Sometimes it is hard to see forest for the trees. The Sens defence is very young but they might be really special group a few years out.

In addition to Chabot, they are especially high on Jaros and Lajoie. Less so with Wolanin who is older. Bernard-Docker will likely turn pro next year and as strange as it sounds the Sens might be looking at a surplus of good young Dmen in the near future. In terms of rebuild good young Dmen are gold!

Ottawa got SJs top prospect, Josh Norris is now in our farm system
- sensarmy_11

In the dead of winter, a farmer dreams of the harvest to come.

Ottawa got SJs top prospect, Josh Norris is now in our farm system
- sensarmy_11

Norris is a good prospect, but on these boards everyone said we were getting Heiskanen or equal

Norris is a good prospect, but on these boards everyone said we were getting Heiskanen or equal
- david22

I'm sure they could have gotten something similar to Heiskanen, but then you probaby get 3 less assets.

I'm happy with Balcers/Norris/2 picks over Heiskanen (or similar level player)

Norris is a good prospect, but on these boards everyone said we were getting Heiskanen or equal
- david22

Heiskanen was the ask from Dallas. They offered Honka. Dorion moved on to San Jose.

Negotiations are always the same. The market is driven by demand. If you have more than one bidder you have a market. In the end, the market decides on the fair value of an asset.

Just spoke with a guy who said to me that people might be missing something fairly obvious. Dorion and his scouts, plus Peter MacTavish (the AGM responsible for contracts) are all in Winnipeg. Everyone assumes it is about negotiating a deal with Winnipeg in a trade for Stone.

But, I was told, Stone's agent lives in Winnipeg and this could also be about finalizing a deal.

I think he is being traded. But, it was an interesting point.

This is painful to watch, even for a detached observer.

Heiskanen was the ask from Dallas. They offered Honka. Dorion moved on to San Jose.

Negotiations are always the same. The market is driven by demand. If you have more than one bidder you have a market. In the end, the market decides on the fair value of an asset.
- spatso

Wouldn't that support the argument that a blue chip prospect of the previously mentioned quality may be less likely then?

They'll get some prospects back I don't doubt, but we may need to temper our expectations a bit.

Random question, but assuming B-Sens make the playoffs, will Tkachuk, White, Chabot, Lajoie and Jaros all be sent down to continue for the playoff push?

Random question, but assuming B-Sens make the playoffs, will Tkachuk, White, Chabot, Lajoie and Jaros all be sent down to continue for the playoff push?
- cprevost7

As I recall, that is what happened several years ago during Binghamton's victory.

As I recall, that is what happened several years ago during Binghamton's victory.
- david22

i think that was a lockout year....not a bunch of guys being sent down at the end of the year

It make me laugh how writers put too much into this.I would bet anything that teams interested in acquiring mark stone feels this way since long...even at the time that Stone was signed for 1 year.

Dorion have probably solid offers on the table since few months and just try hard to sign them.His trying is coming to a end and by end of weekend if not resigned then Stone will go.Maybe so does Duchene,Dzingel and even Ceci.

I want a blue chip D prospect AND blue chip winger coming back in trades.Our center prospect pool is already quite good...defense and wingers not so much.

There could be bidding war between winnipeg,calgary and vegas for acquiring stone.Even maybe few others teams.

that sounds very close (if not the exact offer) here's mine

To Winnipeg

Mark Stone

To Ottawa

Kristian Vesalainen
Jack Roslovic (if not Petan+)
2019 conditional pick
2020 conditional pick

2019 = 2nd. IF Jets make finals OR Stone resigns will be a 1st
2020 = 3rd. IF Jets make conf. finals becomes 2nd. IF Jets win cup in either year becomes a 1st in 2020

Ex. If Jets resign Stone and win a cup in either year it's 2 1st rounders. Ottawa can add another depth piece for Jets but I think this kind of deal has the potential to really work out for both teams. Naturally I can see Stone resigning with his home town team , esp with them being cup contenders for years

that sounds very close (if not the exact offer) here's mine

To Winnipeg

Mark Stone

To Ottawa

Kristian Vesalainen
Jack Roslovic (if not Petan+)
2019 conditional pick
2020 conditional pick

2019 = 2nd. IF Jets make finals OR Stone resigns will be a 1st
2020 = 3rd. IF Jets make conf. finals becomes 2nd. IF Jets win cup in either year becomes a 1st in 2020

Ex. If Jets resign Stone and win a cup in either year it's 2 1st rounders. Ottawa can add another depth piece for Jets but I think this kind of deal has the potential to really work out for both teams. Naturally I can see Stone resigning with his home town team , esp with them being cup contenders for years
- AlfieisKing

Far too much from a Jets standpoint.

Far too much from a Jets standpoint.
- Ross77

Ya? In what sense, I'm open to hearing this because I want the Jets to do well too.

I honestly think Stone would resign there (maybe more so than any other city)

Ya? In what sense, I'm open to hearing this because I want the Jets to do well too.

I honestly think Stone would resign there (maybe more so than any other city)
- AlfieisKing

I have an extremely high opinion of Roslovic, so including him plus Vesalainen is a significant ask even if Stone resigned which we have no idea if he will or not. Just my opinion.

I think the Stone to Jets deal is already worked out but Sens are trying to sign him for another day or two.

As I wrote in S7S, I would not be surprised if neither of the players were resigned or traded by the deadline. The Sens' management did this last season with Karlsson, in my opinion to give faint hope to season ticket holders and get fans to come to games in an otherwise lost season. They greatly diminished the return on Karlsson but sold more season tickets than if they had traded him earlier.

This time I see a similar ploy, with higher stakes. Melnyk is a cheap, but shrewd owner, who only thinks about the bottom line, and if that means losing these players for nothing at the end of the season is the most profitable course of action, he will do just that. Dorion is just a puppet who is there to face the fans' backlash - All decisions come from Melnyk.

As I wrote in S7S, I would not be surprised if neither of the players were resigned or traded by the deadline. The Sens' management did this last season with Karlsson, in my opinion to give faint hope to season ticket holders and get fans to come to games in an otherwise lost season. They greatly diminished the return on Karlsson but sold more season tickets than if they had traded him earlier.

This time I see a similar ploy, with higher stakes. Melnyk is a cheap, but shrewd owner, who only thinks about the bottom line, and if that means losing these players for nothing at the end of the season is the most profitable course of action, he will do just that. Dorion is just a puppet who is there to face the fans' backlash - All decisions come from Melnyk.
- probstc

There is lot of poop written in S7S.You want me to believe that none of Stone and Duchene will be resigned or traded by the deadline and risking to lose them for nothing? Nice try but its laughable.

There is lot of poop written in S7S.You want me to believe that none of Stone and Duchene will be resigned or traded by the deadline and risking to lose them for nothing? Nice try but its laughable.
- Laughinghyena666

Agreed, literally the dumbest theory I’ve ever read.

Karlsson was still under contract at last years deadline......the 2 situations are completely not comparable