I'm 90% sure you're right but if you're Carolina, Dallas, Colorado who all need secondary scoring do you not look at Kapanen and call his agent?

McKenzie made a good point today on leafs lunch. Kap has 2 cards to play. Sitting out and signing an offer sheet. My guess is he only signs an offer sheet if the Leafs wont bridge him for a fair amount (because they cant afford it).
- Aaron_85

Although offer sheets are an option, I think any player that signs one runs the risk of leaving town. If Kappy truly wants to stay, and I believe he does, then I doubt he takes the gamble. A short term for a few years to get the team over the hump, might be a good option. Add in bonus money then as well. Gets him caught back up, so to speak.

Although offer sheets are an option, I think any player that signs one runs the risk of leaving town. If Kappy truly wants to stay, and I believe he does, then I doubt he takes the gamble. A short term for a few years to get the team over the hump, might be a good option. Add in bonus money then as well. Gets him caught back up, so to speak.
- Leafsmart

If a Leaf player signs an offer sheet then they WILL need to leave town.

Okposo just got dropped with one clean punch.

Although offer sheets are an option, I think any player that signs one runs the risk of leaving town. If Kappy truly wants to stay, and I believe he does, then I doubt he takes the gamble. A short term for a few years to get the team over the hump, might be a good option. Add in bonus money then as well. Gets him caught back up, so to speak.
- Leafsmart

Maybe it's a bit of wishful thinking, but I could totally see Dubas talking Johnsson and Kappy into signing cheap 1 year deals and promising them that if they earned it, they'd get their payday the next year after Marleau's contract ended.

They'd have to believe his word and in themselves, but it seems like a possibility to me.
Otherwise likely we won't be able to keep Johnsson at the least, unless we can move Zaitsev or Marleau. Probably would have to move out Brown too.

Man... if Tampa continues at their current pace, and Toronto wins every game remaining, Tampa will still be 2 points ahead of them.

They are unreal.

If a Leaf player signs an offer sheet then they WILL need to leave town.
- TrashPanda

So that's the question. Does Dubas match or not? Does Kappy really want to go there. I say no.

Ullmark.

Maybe it's a bit of wishful thinking, but I could totally see Dubas talking Johnsson and Kappy into signing cheap 1 year deals and promising them that if they earned it, they'd get their payday the next year after Marleau's contract ended.

They'd have to believe his word and in themselves, but it seems like a possibility to me.
Otherwise likely we won't be able to keep Johnsson at the least, unless we can move Zaitsev or Marleau. Probably would have to move out Brown too.
- Thecakeisalie

My feeling is that due to being two years older than Kapanen and 3 inches shorter, Johnsson ends up becoming the piece we need to land a Dman. Whether it happens this year or next remains to be seen, but with Gardiner off the books I think they have no problem getting Marner signed and Kapanen to a bridge for another year or two so that Marleau can come off the books.

Would definitely do Johnsson and a pick for a good Dman...flip Gardiner if needed to recover a draft pick and call it a day. You can just smell this team is close, but still not quite there yet. TB is just too good.

My feeling is that due to being two years older than Kapanen and 3 inches shorter, Johnsson ends up becoming the piece we need to land a Dman. Whether it happens this year or next remains to be seen, but with Gardiner off the books I think they have no problem getting Marner signed and Kapanen to a bridge for another year or two so that Marleau can come off the books.

Would definitely do Johnsson and a pick for a good Dman...flip Gardiner if needed to recover a draft pick and call it a day. You can just smell this team is close, but still not quite there yet. TB is just too good.
- AngryWhiteMale

I honestly don't know if it's worth it for us to pick up another good defender if we intend to keep him past next season, since we wouldn't be able to protect him in the expansion draft (Or we'd need to expose 1 of Rielly, Muzzin, or Dermott, assuming we protected that new guy). This is of course assuming we resign Muzzin, which I hope we do.

Lillybust and Sandin will not need protection, same with our other young defenders that might be brought up.

The Seattle expansion is something that needs to be taken into consideration if we're thinking anything long term. If we just want a defender for this year or next, then whatever. But if they're only around for the short term, obviously I wouldn't want us giving up so much...

Maybe it's a bit of wishful thinking, but I could totally see Dubas talking Johnsson and Kappy into signing cheap 1 year deals and promising them that if they earned it, they'd get their payday the next year after Marleau's contract ended.

They'd have to believe his word and in themselves, but it seems like a possibility to me.
Otherwise likely we won't be able to keep Johnsson at the least, unless we can move Zaitsev or Marleau. Probably would have to move out Brown too.
- Thecakeisalie

Agree. Cap going up most likely in the upcoming years with Seattle coming in. This summer will be interesting with the roster changes. In saying that, I would not be opposed to another year of Hainsey say at $2mil. like Bob McK. reported. With the addition of Muzzin taking up good minutes, I think he looks a bit fresher lately. Good times ahead boys. Ozzing with talent for a change.

Ullmark.
- GreatGigInTheSky

2 goals in 8 secs wasn't too shabby

Can't fall in love with your whole line up. Identify your core and insulate around it. Kapanen is a very good player, but he's expendable. As is Johnsson. If talks with their agents show a great divide, trade them now.

Man... if Tampa continues at their current pace, and Toronto wins every game remaining, Tampa will still be 2 points ahead of them.

They are unreal.
- Feeling Glucky?

They will have a playoff spot clinched before the trade deadline.

So that's the question. Does Dubas match or not? Does Kappy really want to go there. I say no.
- Leafsmart

I think this goes to show that a lot of people don't know how offersheets work.

A player can:

A) Refuse to sign, and nothing changes

or

B) Indicate that they will sign, forcing their team to match.

If the team refuses to match, then the player signs. Not before. Once the offersheet is signed then the player is property of the team that presented the offersheet. It's a contract with the player - there is no going back.

Teams not matching the offersheet is very rare. Teams tend not to offer ridiculous amounts of money because other players will expect a similar amount when it comes to their contracts.

I honestly don't know if it's worth it for us to pick up another good defender if we intend to keep him past next season, since we wouldn't be able to protect him in the expansion draft (Or we'd need to expose 1 of Rielly, Muzzin, or Dermott, assuming we protected that new guy). This is of course assuming we resign Muzzin, which I hope we do.

Lillybust and Sandin will not need protection, same with our other young defenders that might be brought up.

The Seattle expansion is something that needs to be taken into consideration if we're thinking anything long term. If we just want a defender for this year or next, then whatever. But if they're only around for the short term, obviously I wouldn't want us giving up so much...
- Thecakeisalie

It would be nice if we were able to move a pick in order to dump Zaitsev and keep the guys we want but we've already moved a first this year and we don't want to get into that situation.

Wonder what the lockout situation will be like in a couple years too

Agree. Cap going up most likely in the upcoming years with Seattle coming in. This summer will be interesting with the roster changes. In saying that, I would not be opposed to another year of Hainsey say at $2mil. like Bob McK. reported. With the addition of Muzzin taking up good minutes, I think he looks a bit fresher lately. Good times ahead boys. Ozzing with talent for a change.
- Leafsmart

Thinking about the Seattle expansion draft on the defense, reminds me that we might not be able to protect both Kap and Johnsson.

Matthews, Tavares, Marner, Nylander, Kadri, Kapanen, Hyman. Maybe we protect Johnsson instead of Hyman? (that sounds dirty, what needs protection more, our Johnsson or our Hyman?) I think the coach really appreciates what Hyman brings, and I've come to value his play too.

So Dubas has his work cut out for him planning for the future. Maybe give Johnsson a 2 year bridge, so he's a FA or RFA for the expansion draft? I dunno.

Can't fall in love with your whole line up. Identify your core and insulate around it. Kapanen is a very good player, but he's expendable. As is Johnsson. If talks with their agents show a great divide, trade them now.
- BetterCallSaul

So iIf we traded one of these guys for a piece

Thinking about the Seattle expansion draft on the defense, reminds me that we might not be able to protect both Kap and Johnsson.

Matthews, Tavares, Marner, Nylander, Kadri, Kapanen, Hyman. Maybe we protect Johnsson instead of Hyman? (that sounds dirty, what needs protection more, our Johnsson or our Hyman?) I think the coach really appreciates what Hyman brings, and I've come to value his play too.

So Dubas has his work cut out for him planning for the future. Maybe give Johnsson a 2 year bridge, so he's a FA or RFA for the expansion draft? I dunno.
- Thecakeisalie

lol
The Hyman's already been broken.
We're an anti-circumcision board

I honestly don't know if it's worth it for us to pick up another good defender if we intend to keep him past next season, since we wouldn't be able to protect him in the expansion draft (Or we'd need to expose 1 of Rielly, Muzzin, or Dermott, assuming we protected that new guy). This is of course assuming we resign Muzzin, which I hope we do.

Lillybust and Sandin will not need protection, same with our other young defenders that might be brought up.

The Seattle expansion is something that needs to be taken into consideration if we're thinking anything long term. If we just want a defender for this year or next, then whatever. But if they're only around for the short term, obviously I wouldn't want us giving up so much...
- Thecakeisalie

It will be the Vegas expansion all over again.

'We'll give you a second round pick if you don't select any players from this list.'

So iIf we traded one of these guys for a piece
- Leafsmart

Cancel that thought.

1st, 2nd and 3rd.
- TrashPanda

Isnt it more? Don't they take the total (56) over 5 years so 11+ for determining the compensation...

Isnt it more? Don't they take the total (56) over 5 years so 11+ for determining the compensation...
- Aetherial

Yes sir, I believe you are correct. I didn't take the 5 years into consideration.

I think this goes to show that a lot of people don't know how offersheets work.

A player can:

A) Refuse to sign, and nothing changes

or

B) Indicate that they will sign, forcing their team to match.

If the team refuses to match, then the player signs. Not before. Once the offersheet is signed then the player is property of the team that presented the offersheet. It's a contract with the player - there is no going back.

Teams not matching the offersheet is very rare. Teams tend not to offer ridiculous amounts of money because other players will expect a similar amount when it comes to their contracts.
- TrashPanda

Certainly not what I've been reading. Player must sign the offer sheet with other team. His former team has 7 days to match or take the picks. If they match, player receives the amount that was agreed to on offer sheet..

Yes sir, I believe you are correct. I didn't take the 5 years into consideration.
- TrashPanda

yup, hundreds of comments every season forget this fact

"The AAV for an offer sheet, which determines the compensation required, is derived by dividing the total contract value amount by the lesser of:
number of years offered, or
five (5) years" - from CapFriendly

It will be the Vegas expansion all over again.

'We'll give you a second round pick if you don't select any players from this list.'
- TrashPanda

Hopefully Dubas paid attention to how well that worked out for the teams that tried those tactics last time lol.

Prepare as best you can to protect who needs it and then bite the bullet, letting them select from what's left. No deals with the expansion club.

I was honestly surprised when Vegas made that declaration that they wouldn't deal with any clubs that they discovered were making side deals with each other, that noone called their bluff and made their own trades elsewhere. I mean, (frank) Vegas.
After all, if they managed to make a trade and maneuvered things to how they wanted, they wouldn't need a deal with Vegas anyways.