This is just like with Karlsson. They had no intention to keep these three despite what they have been saying. Remember, the "on the 8th day God created Karlsson" comment from Dorion, as well as him saying they wanted him to be a Senator for life. All lies. It came out that they had planned to trade him the previous November. Same thing is happening here. Dorion plays the lovable hard-luck GM, with the aww shucks, we definitely want them to sign here schtick, the whole while knowing that they were going to do nothing of the sort. Terrible owner, incompetent GM and constant lying to the fan base.
- jaz258

this is probably the case. whenever i hear PD talk about signing them it rings hollow to me.

Was the same with Karlsson.

The more I think about it, the second they gave up their first round pick this year and selected Tkachuk, they knew they would deal Stone or Duchene to a get a number one back. You don't do a full rebuild without a first round pick, right?

this is probably the case. whenever i hear PD talk about signing them it rings hollow to me.

Was the same with Karlsson.
- senstroll

The plan was laid out in the Borowiecki interview with Melnyk. There was to be turnover of 15 players within 2 years. They just didn't name Duchene and Stone but the math would confirm that they intended to trade them all along.
The interview was removed after it was deemed to be bad for business. Now we are left with the narrative that the team is trying its best to sign both players.

I'd be very happy with a return of a 1st + Appleton + Stanley + Petan as long as Stone is free to sign with anyone in July (including back to Ottawa )

Let's say we signed Duchene to a 8 year deal MORE than 8m:

July 2022, Duchene is going to be 31.5 years old and have 5 more years ahead of him at a HUGE cap hit. It won't be Bobby Ryan 2.0 but it won't be the Duchene we see here right now (at least IMO). That's why I'd trade him for the best possible return AFTER the road trip is over

Bobby Ryan
21-29 years old (per 82 game avg) 28.78 goals, 61.36 points
After 29 years old - 16.68 goals, 42.16 points

Matt Duchene
21-29 years old (per 82 game avg) 26.44 goals, 62 points
After 29?

Both top 3 picks; both got hands and highlight reel goals. Both (IMO) have their best years behind them, not ahead of them. Trade!

Bobby Ryan
21-29 years old (per 82 game avg) 28.78 goals, 61.36 points
After 29 years old - 16.68 goals, 42.16 points

Matt Duchene
21-29 years old (per 82 game avg) 26.44 goals, 62 points
After 29?

Both top 3 picks; both got hands and highlight reel goals. Both (IMO) have their best years behind them, not ahead of them. Trade!
- AlfieisKing

Very different though, Duchene is one of the best skaters in the league. Ryan was always a sloppy skater but has good hands.

As well, Ryan was playing with Getzlaf and Perry in their prime years and was more of a second wave behind them. Duchene was playing with Mack and was supposed to be the main threat....Very different team and player dynamics

This team is going no where without some star players, If we let Duchene and Stone go. This rebuild turns from 2-3 years to 6-7 and likely watching our young prospects leave as soon as possible too. Why would Chabot, Tkachuk, Brown, Formenton, White, etc stay if all our core best players are gone?

They should try to sign all three of Stone, Duchene and Dzingel and try to sell them on the one thing this team has going for them.... Our prospect pool.

I'd be very happy with a return of a 1st + Appleton + Stanley + Petan as long as Stone is free to sign with anyone in July (including back to Ottawa )
- TheCalSen

hell no.....too much quantity, not nearly enough quality

Stanley has "cowen" written all over him. most Jets fans say the same thing, drafted high much more based on his size, rather than his ability.

appleton....WTF. seems about as mediocre of a prospect as they have in their system.

Petan is a toss in

Vesalainen HAS to be included, plus the 1st, and maybe Roslovic

hell no.....too much quantity, not nearly enough quality

Stanley has "cowen" written all over him. most Jets fans say the same thing, drafted high much more based on his size, rather than his ability.

appleton....WTF. seems about as mediocre of a prospect as they have in their system.

Petan is a toss in

Vesalainen HAS to be included, plus the 1st, and maybe Roslovic
- sensarmy_11

I highly doubt that's the package for a few months of Stone, even if he's a top-10 winger in the league. Appleton and Petan are potential gems if given ice-time (Appleton plays about 8mins; Petan is banished to the AHL).

I highly doubt that's the package for a few months of Stone, even if he's a top-10 winger in the league. Appleton and Petan are potential gems if given ice-time (Appleton plays about 8mins; Petan is banished to the AHL).
- TheCalSen

why not?

he's probably the best forward available at the deadline in years......there will be multiple teams competing with Winnipeg (Nashville, Calgary, Vegas, etc) who will also likely be trying to land Stone.

I know Dorion is an idiot, but he can easily get a bidding war going here.

I expect the return will be very good.....and include 1-2 conditional picks.

honestly, I think Winnipeg is the last team Dorion should be dealing with because they're the team least likely to re-sign him.

Very different though, Duchene is one of the best skaters in the league. Ryan was always a sloppy skater but has good hands.

As well, Ryan was playing with Getzlaf and Perry in their prime years and was more of a second wave behind them. Duchene was playing with Mack and was supposed to be the main threat....Very different team and player dynamics

This team is going no where without some star players, If we let Duchene and Stone go. This rebuild turns from 2-3 years to 6-7 and likely watching our young prospects leave as soon as possible too. Why would Chabot, Tkachuk, Brown, Formenton, White, etc stay if all our core best players are gone?

They should try to sign all three of Stone, Duchene and Dzingel and try to sell them on the one thing this team has going for them.... Our prospect pool.
- Maverick1818

Time is a huge factor. List your best players in the history of the Sens. (my examples would include, for example, Karlsson, Alfreddson, Stone, Hossa, Heatly, Spezza, Chara, Yashin). Some were very low draft picks, like Alfreddson and Stone. Some great mid first round selections like Karlsson and Hossa. And some came as a result of trades Spezza and Chara came in the Yashin deal with the Islanders, Heatley came in a deal for Hossa.

Point is nobody really knows final outcomes until well after the fact. You have to harvest maximum picks and prospect and do your best at development. The depth of your pool is really important. We have watched for years as the Oilers had top pick almost every year and they have taken some brilliant players. Their failure is their inability to develop players to play the character roles that are essential for success.

Love how the AHL website has done a feature on Brown, Batherson and Paul and how they are tearing up the league in trying to get into playoff position. Sens are doing okay in their depth development.

The good news is that it all goes away with a new owner ... Get that one thing done and we're off to the races

The good news is that it all goes away with a new owner ... Get that one thing done and we're off to the races
- theavatar

Everything else is trivial in relation to that one thing that needs to get done.

Bobby Ryan
21-29 years old (per 82 game avg) 28.78 goals, 61.36 points
After 29 years old - 16.68 goals, 42.16 points

Matt Duchene
21-29 years old (per 82 game avg) 26.44 goals, 62 points
After 29?

Both top 3 picks; both got hands and highlight reel goals. Both (IMO) have their best years behind them, not ahead of them. Trade!
- AlfieisKing

I would agree completely. You can 100% say that his best years are going to be behind him when the new contract starts. Its bad business to pay players for what they did years ago.

Even if MD decline is slower than Ryans, its still going to happen. and then you are paying 8-9 mil you cant get out of ...again.

Sens need to just trade Duchene, Dzingle and Ceci imo and if you have to keep someone its got to be Stone, but Id trade him also. the return for these 4 should be enormous.

Rip me if ya arm chair gms want but Ottawa is in talks with Coloroda and what it would take to get our first back . Looking at stone and offering our first and low prospects