ottawa discussing future of franchise with Duchene and his agent.
what are they talking about after those initial 2mins?

Bring in joel Q.....
- Fakepartofme

$6 million per assistant coach to replace Hiller. It would be worth it just to hear the screaming from other teams.

I'd like to know of the players are being told not to be creative solely on the PP. Or if they can't be creative at 5vs5 as well. Did Bruce Arthur mention That?

Everyone from Shanny, including him, should be let go. If Bruce Arthur knows our players are being told not to be creative, then Shanny and Dubas will know this as well.

I've never ever heard any team being told to not be creative. I wonder if this spells the end of Marner? He doesn't seem to fit the plan.

This Leafs management are really taking the fans for a ride, and they're wrong if they think they can get away with telling the team not to be creative.
- walshyleafsfan

Babcock wants safe hockey, he's said repeatedly.

Watching the pp continue to do what isn't working and seeing them not be creative and not move from the same spaces, sure seems like that quote isn't far fetched.

When I watch these pp I'm seeing exactly what was described, so not at all surprised based on all that that the coaches are saying exactly that.

I'd like to know of the players are being told not to be creative solely on the PP. Or if they can't be creative at 5vs5 as well. Did Bruce Arthur mention That?
- walshyleafsfan

Specific to the pp, but Babcock has repeatedly said he like safe plays

Babcock wants safe hockey, he's said repeatedly.

Watching the pp continue to do what isn't working and seeing them not be creative and not move from the same spaces, sure seems like that quote isn't far fetched.

When I watch these pp I'm seeing exactly what was described, so not at all surprised based on all that that the coaches are saying exactly that.
- burn

Management has made a very big mistake then. All the way through. You can't tell players not to be creative. Do they get mad at Mitch Marner?

He'll be gone for sure if this is true.

What an insane thing to say to the players. Males me wonder why Auston re-upped.

I really hope this isn’t true. It’s very immature.

Cool, you are mad that the coaching staff hasn’t changed the PP up after it’s struggles but that doesn’t mean you go out there and not give a poop.

That’s a lose-lose situation where you aren’t going anywhere.
- Santo_44

People are people no matter your profession. If they are stifled and unhappy, it manifests itself in different ways.

That presumes this is at all true. I, sincerely, doubt it.

Specific to the pp, but Babcock has repeatedly said he like safe plays
- burn

So creative 5vs5. Not creative on the PP. How has Babcock coached so many games? Insane

I really hope this isn’t true. It’s very immature.

Cool, you are mad that the coaching staff hasn’t changed the PP up after it’s struggles but that doesn’t mean you go out there and not give a poop.

That’s a lose-lose situation where you aren’t going anywhere.
- Santo_44

I don't think that's what is happening.

Other teams have figured out their systems (drop pass in the neutral zone, seam pass by marner) and they just keep doing the same thing.

$6 million per assistant coach to replace Hiller. It would be worth it just to hear the screaming from other teams.
- The Shrike

I’d love to see that, (frank) it. Getting pretty obvious that Hitler isn’t getting the job done.

Management has made a very big mistake then. All the way through. You can't tell players not to be creative. Do they get mad at Mitch Marner?

He'll be gone for sure if this is true.

What an insane thing to say to the players. Males me wonder why Auston re-upped.
- walshyleafsfan

Management?

the pp being this bad for this long is definitely on the coaches

People are people no matter your profession. If they are stifled and unhappy, it manifests itself in different ways.

That presumes this is at all true. I, sincerely, doubt it.
- Monkeypunk

I doubt it too.

I see a PP that is struggling. That is all.

I don’t buy the “teams know exactly what is coming” bull poop. Every team has a PP set up and every team knows what is coming.

It worked at the start of the year extremely well. It worked for Bozak-JVR-Marner very well.

And yes, they had the same setup all year long as well.

I don't think that's what is happening.

Other teams have figured out their systems (drop pass in the neutral zone, seam pass by marner) and they just keep doing the same thing.
- burn

Come on man.

Every PP setup is the same. The PK knows exactly what is coming every night from every team. It’s up to the PP to exicute it properly.

Management?
- burn

Yes. If they know of the message that players are being told not to be creative, which considering we know, and Bruce Arthur knows, I assume they do, they are just as involved.

To tell your team not to be creative is a sacking offense in my book. For everyone.

So creative 5vs5. Not creative on the PP. How has Babcock coached so many games? Insane
- walshyleafsfan

Why are the players still being used on the pp then if they are not doing what is being told?

Do you watch this pp and see the players only operating in a small area? Do you see the players shifting positions to open space? They are too predictable right now, which is exactly what was said. Are you arguing this? The pp isn't 1 for last 30 or something? It looks horrendous and slow and predictable.

What I seeing is exactly was described. Seems pretty obvious to me.

at least the coaches are pissed at each other

Looks like Babcock is trying to cut down on the creativeness there.

Licky boom boom down

Looks like Babcock is trying to cut down on the creativeness there.
- walshyleafsfan

Saskatchewan isn’t know for its creativity.

Why are the players still being used on the pp then if they are not doing what is being told?

Do you watch this pp and see the players only operating in a small area? Do you see the players shifting positions to open space? They are too predictable right now, which is exactly what was said. Are you arguing this? The pp isn't 1 for last 30 or something? It looks horrendous and slow and predictable.

What I seeing is exactly was described. Seems pretty obvious to me.
- burn

I'm in agreeance . I think they're being told not to be creative. They must have been fuming after the first 10 games or so. And told them to stop it.

I wonder why they keep rolling Marner out there on the top PP unit? He's obviously a really creative player.

I was listening to the radio, Bruce Arthur said he talked to players and asked about leafs pp issues he said that they specifically said:

"They are told to go to specific areas and are not allowed to leave that area"

"They have set plays like the seam pass, and they are told to do that"

He said the players seemed frustered about the pp struggles because they aren't being allowed to fix it becaus they are specifically told not to deviate from the plan and not get creative.
- burn

Babcock/DJ power trip?

I'm in agreeance . I think they're being told not to be creative. They must have been fuming after the first 10 games or so. And told them to stop it.

I wonder why they keep rolling Marner out there on the top PP unit? He's obviously a really creative player.
- walshyleafsfan

Marner is being creative by doing nothing but slap pass through the seam?

We are litterally seeing nothing creative on the pp now. It's the same thing all the time, it's not even one or two options. Same play every time, weather it's there or not.

Coaching staff coming apart...

Ugh