Stone is the superior player. I love Wheeler, and he’s still elite in his own right, but Stone has him beat in all 3 big categories: Offence, defence, and play driving
- Rexypoo

just to make sure you have no idea about your comment.

last 5 years points
Stone 64-61-54-62-54
Wheeler 61-78-74-91-65

it's Wheeler by a country mile dude
I' sure you will make another excuse though

just to make sure you have no idea about your comment.

last 5 years points
Stone 64-61-54-62-54
Wheeler 61-78-74-91-65

it's Wheeler by a country mile dude
I' sure you will make another excuse though
- sparky1957

I remember when the Preds waived Richard Peverly and the Thrashers picked him up. Trotz said he would come back to haunt Nashville one day......via the trade to Boston for Wheeler.

just to make sure you have no idea about your comment.

last 5 years points
Stone 64-61-54-62-54
Wheeler 61-78-74-91-65

it's Wheeler by a country mile dude
I' sure you will make another excuse though
- sparky1957

Well, yes. Obviously point totals at season’s end, with no games played for reference, is the perfect way to shoot down my point about Stone having a larger impact on offence, defence, and puck possession.

Here’s a direct comparison between the two from 2016 to now:

https://public.tableau.co...T4ZPB5?:display_count=yes

I found the use for SKATR: long term comparison

Guys. As far as Mark Stone goes, I've been promoting his merits as a Jet long before anyone else on here . He's a great player, tons of heart, and a Winnipeg boy to boot. However, with the emergence of our young talent, I no longer see him as a great fit for the Jets. We don't need another winger and he won't stay here past this season because we can't afford him. The Wheeler / Stone comparison is irrelevant. Jets mostly need a center.

That being said if it was something like Stone ( signed) and Chabot for Laine and Trouba it would work cap wise , and might actually make a lot of sense. Jets would be a much better team.

Jets are nothing special.

I remember when the Preds waived Richard Peverly and the Thrashers picked him up. Trotz said he would come back to haunt Nashville one day......via the trade to Boston for Wheeler.
- Martin\'s E-Ratt

love it - thanks for that tidbit.

Jets are nothing special.
- RogerRoeper

Funny, this coming from a Leaf fan. It took the Leafs 52 years to develop the team they have now and it took the Jets 7 years to get where we are at.

On second thought you are right it does take a "special" team, time to build.

can't help but think that with the skyrocketing price of retaining RFA's (absurd contracts being dished out and discussed in TO and Draisaitl in Edmonton) it must make it an easier decision to part with RFA's when getting back players with some term on the contract. ie. Trouba, Connor, Laine are just a little more gettable in a trade.

just to make sure you have no idea about your comment.

last 5 years points
Stone 64-61-54-62-54
Wheeler 61-78-74-91-65

it's Wheeler by a country mile dude
I' sure you will make another excuse though
- sparky1957

It' doesn't seem like a country mile to me:
Stone has averaged 25 goals/season and 35 assists as a winger, headed for 34/48 this season on the worst team in the league.

I'll let Rexy throw in the analytics 😎.....

While I agree the Jets number 1 target should be a centre, I have a feeling with the rental prices being so high they may have to settle for a plan B. If that's the case I'd like to see them try and get Marcus Johannson from the Devils. A cheaper, less exciting option but I think his passing would work well on a line with Laine, no matter who the centre is. It would also give a lot of mix and match options with the wingers.

His numbers look horrible, but there's not a lot of talent on that team.

It' doesn't seem like a country mile to me:
Stone has averaged 25 goals/season and 35 assists as a winger, headed for 34/48 this season on the worst team in the league.

I'll let Rexy throw in the analytics 😎.....
- liverpoolnhl

even if Stone is a stronger player than Wheeler it doesn't mean he plays on the first line with Scheifle - he may displace Laine or Ehlers, who will displace Appleton (or whoever). It just doesn't add enough without putting chemistry at risk and for most players it takes some time to settle in to a new situation. Add the distraction of playing at home, the big payday he has coming and UFA, and for me Stone is not the trade deadline pickup that I want for the Jets. I don't see a fit unless salary or expected RFA money is moved out somewhere and a longterm deal is in the works.

Also - can't trade Comrie without picking up another tender from elsewhere. They need the depth.

Hayes, Duchene, Schenn, Henrique, Staal, Brassard - add strength at 2c. I am starting to like the Hayes talk best.

While I agree the Jets number 1 target should be a centre, I have a feeling with the rental prices being so high they may have to settle for a plan B. If that's the case I'd like to see them try and get Marcus Johannson from the Devils. A cheaper, less exciting option but I think his passing would work well on a line with Laine, no matter who the centre is. It would also give a lot of mix and match options with the wingers.

His numbers look horrible, but there's not a lot of talent on that team.
- mcjags

Johannson did spend time as a C for the Caps, albeit briefly. He was one of the many 2C experiments they tried between Federov leaving and Kuznetsov making the shift into the middle

It' doesn't seem like a country mile to me:
Stone has averaged 25 goals/season and 35 assists as a winger, headed for 34/48 this season on the worst team in the league.

I'll let Rexy throw in the analytics 😎.....
- liverpoolnhl

The other issue here is we’re comparing a 5 year stretch that contains a lot of development time for Stone, whereas Wheeler was prime the whole way

even if Stone is a stronger player than Wheeler it doesn't mean he plays on the first line with Scheifle - he may displace Laine or Ehlers, who will displace Appleton (or whoever). It just doesn't add enough without putting chemistry at risk and for most players it takes some time to settle in to a new situation. Add the distraction of playing at home, the big payday he has coming and UFA, and for me Stone is not the trade deadline pickup that I want for the Jets. I don't see a fit unless salary or expected RFA money is moved out somewhere and a longterm deal is in the works.

Also - can't trade Comrie without picking up another tender from elsewhere. They need the depth.

Hayes, Duchene, Schenn, Henrique, Staal, Brassard - add strength at 2c. I am starting to like the Hayes talk best.
- 2.0

-Agreed on Stone;
-i think Berdin is ready to slip into Comrie's slot;
- Schenn could be a good addition, one more year at 5.1, but F.O.% at 47.5 could be dangerous;

Does anyone doubt that come day one of the regular season next year Little will be penciled in as the number 2C? If that's the case the jets should go make an offer for a player with term like Zibanejad, Trocheck, or Couturier. Yeah it might cost you Vesalainen and Roslovic but big deal, barring injuries they are nothing more than a couple of 8 minute 4th liners in Paul Maurice's system for the next 2 years

Was watching the Rangers game last nite and doing my couch scouting research on Hayes. Doug Mclean was saying that Hayes should garner trade deadline interest, etc, but he was saying he is slow on his feet and would be afraid of a long term contract as in todays game of speed, etc, just going to get slower over time.

Is he a target for the Jets for the shorterm run? If he is a bit slower, does his "center" style potentially work for a player like Laine, who's game speed is regressing to glacial? His playoff points are not the greatest with 2 g and 8 a in 34 playoff games.

Just seems the Jets are prone to the speed attack like the Habs did the other nite and Vegas last year with their relentless speed forechecking and reducing gap, causing turnovers etc. Just wondering if a late pickup with Hayes makes Wpg more suseptible to the speed attack or help the team? .596 pts per game over the course of his career regular season and .84 pts per game this year 2018/2019 and .34 pts per game in 34 playoff games. Any concerns?

Jets are nothing special.
- RogerRoeper

But you my friend are very special, very special indeed.

It's a bit early, but my bet is that the Jets will play one of St. Louis, Vcr, Minny , or Chicago in the playoffs. The one team most at risk of those four in not making it right now is likely Minny with the loss of Koivu. As an opponent, I think most Jet's fans would fear to play the Wild the most, followed by the red-hot Blackhawks. I definitely will be cheering for the Wild to continue their downfall. It's going to be tough choices for a lot for these bubble team GM's on whether to add or dispose of talent over the next 16 days. Its complicated by the fact that most GM's don't like making trades to divisional rivals.

Was watching the Rangers game last nite and doing my couch scouting research on Hayes. Doug Mclean was saying that Hayes should garner trade deadline interest, etc, but he was saying he is slow on his feet and would be afraid of a long term contract as in todays game of speed, etc, just going to get slower over time.

Is he a target for the Jets for the shorterm run? If he is a bit slower, does his "center" style potentially work for a player like Laine, who's game speed is regressing to glacial? His playoff points are not the greatest with 2 g and 8 a in 34 playoff games.

Just seems the Jets are prone to the speed attack like the Habs did the other nite and Vegas last year with their relentless speed forechecking and reducing gap, causing turnovers etc. Just wondering if a late pickup with Hayes makes Wpg more suseptible to the speed attack or help the team? .596 pts per game over the course of his career regular season and .84 pts per game this year 2018/2019 and .34 pts per game in 34 playoff games. Any concerns?
- CharlieDog

My concern is this obsession with obtaining a 2nd line center, and the total lack of concern for the massive hole in our blueline next to Byfuglien that WILL come back to bite us sooner than later.

We already have a 2C ready to go, and one that would be a perfect tonic for Laine’s PoMo problem: Adam Lowry.

What we do not have is anyone capable of playing a top 4 role next to Buff. This is the most important issue, personnel wise, and Chevy has already whiffed on Muzzin. Fix it.

I remember when the Preds waived Richard Peverly and the Thrashers picked him up. Trotz said he would come back to haunt Nashville one day......via the trade to Boston for Wheeler.
- Martin\'s E-Ratt

😏🙃.....

If Laine doesn't break out of his slump soon I have a fear that we might see a return of " the beard".

I'll go out on a limb and predict he will finally score again today in Ottawa.

My concern is this obsession with obtaining a 2nd line center, and the total lack of concern for the massive hole in our blueline next to Byfuglien that WILL come back to bite us sooner than later.

We already have a 2C ready to go, and one that would be a perfect tonic for Laine’s PoMo problem: Adam Lowry.

What we do not have is anyone capable of playing a top 4 role next to Buff. This is the most important issue, personnel wise, and Chevy has already whiffed on Muzzin. Fix it.
- Rexypoo

Adam Lowry is no Backstrom, Malkin, Carter as that is the type of Center that is needed for a cup run.

To Ott: Mason Appelton, Andrew Copp, Jacob Trouba, 2019 1st round pick

To WPG: Matt Duchene, Tyson Barrie

To COL: Cody Ceci, Nik Petan

To Ott: Mason Appelton, Andrew Copp, Jacob Trouba, 2019 1st round pick

To WPG: Matt Duchene, Cody Ceci
- TheUltimateJet

One of your worst, sorry. Not trying to be rude but this is god awful.
Ceci is garbadge and why you hate Copp and Trouba so much is beyond me?

I know the fan base in here is split on Maurice. I’m sorry but his refusal to change these lines and constantly play morrow over Niku or even Poolman is beyond unexplainable!!!
I am starting to think we won’t see 55 and 26 split up till we are down 2-0 or 3-1 in a playoff series and that will be too little too late!!!
This team can handle one of Chairot, Morrow and Kulikov, having more than one I the line up is horrible. I agree with Rexy on that.
If we don’t make it to at least the cup final, no one should want Maurice back! He won’t change and without some minor tweaking we won’t take the next step.