I think it depends on his playoffs. If he is a force I can see him getting at least 3.5.
- DuranDuran

I'd give him a 6 year deal at 3.5mill quick before he finally breaks out & starts to pop 25 goals a year & command 8-9.0 mill per season.

Pat Steinberg made a pretty solid case that Chucky will be in the 7.0 range but expects him to be the highest paid Flame. Probably a 6 year deal in the 7.0 territory & if we want any more UFA years add a half mill per year.

This next CBA is going to be interesting & it's not going to be about the NHL & the players. It's going to be a rift within the players union. IF RFA payers insist on getting paid like UFA's the players portion of the revenue pie is going to get pretty damn lean for the rest of the players, especially the 28-29 & older players. The players may need to get their sh!t together & impose their own salary cap within the union. Guys like Backlund, Neal(I know bad example) but players that are 28-29-30 needing decent contracts wont come close to getting 5.0 mill per. The young 20% of good players are greedily eating up the $$$. Many players that are 3rd line & marginal 2nd line players are going to take big time salary haircuts so the kids can earn their 11-12-13 mill per year. You are also going to see decent RFA players like Nurse Kapanen maybe even Bennett get offer sheeted for 4.0-5.0 mill & teams cant match & the compensation is what a 2nd round pick. There are some dark clowds on the horizon for hockey.
- Kevin R

He's a fool if he takes $7 million. Far too cheap.

And the pie SHOULD get smaller for those players. Guys are at their most productive around age 23. By the time they reach 28-29 they're already on the decline. It makes sense to pay them while they're most productive instead of after.

He's a fool if he takes $7 million. Far too cheap.

And the pie SHOULD get smaller for those players. Guys are at their most productive around age 23. By the time they reach 28-29 they're already on the decline. It makes sense to pay them while they're most productive instead of after.
- BINGO!

I agree I just have hard time seeing a player go from 8-10aav and then taking anything lower then that on there next contract. There lies were stuff might get scary for the league

I'd give him a 6 year deal at 3.5mill quick before he finally breaks out & starts to pop 25 goals a year & command 8-9.0 mill per season.
- Kevin R

Really liking his game this year, I hope you're right about him breaking out.

He's a fool if he takes $7 million. Far too cheap.

And the pie SHOULD get smaller for those players. Guys are at their most productive around age 23. By the time they reach 28-29 they're already on the decline. It makes sense to pay them while they're most productive instead of after.
- BINGO!

7 definitely too low but Tre has been good at getting guys signed at decent contracts. Salaries are getting scary.

He's a fool if he takes $7 million. Far too cheap.

And the pie SHOULD get smaller for those players. Guys are at their most productive around age 23. By the time they reach 28-29 they're already on the decline. It makes sense to pay them while they're most productive instead of after.
- BINGO!

Didnt recognize you with your new avatar lol.

Do the math. Players take the same risks going on the ice to play. Concussions is pretty serious sh!t. If 22-23 year olds start eating up 80% of the revenue pie, there are a lot more players getting some pretty cold buckets of reality thrown on them & last I saw, each player has 1 vote per person in Union matters. Like I say, it's not the owners problem, they are more custodians of the players revenue share, how the players share of revenues is split will ultimately come down to the Union.

As for Chucky, I would think 7.5 for that 6 years is where it will land. What is the point of RFA status if these guys can bully their way to getting paid like UFA's. Keep in mind Tavares may have gotten 11.0 mill per but he was a UFA, that gave him clout. Matthews should not have gotten that high, especially for a 5 year deal with just 1 stinking UFA year being purchased.

7 definitely too low but Tre has been good at getting guys signed at decent contracts. Salaries are getting scary.
- K-man25

Because the cap is tied directly to revenue, the max cap is always what the owners already agreed to pay the players. Individual salaries are largely meaningless that way. The numbers are starting to look high, but they can only increase at the same rates that NHL revenue does. The only thing that changes is how GMs allocate that money to their players.

It's long overdue that older guys get squeezed out. Too many 40 point guys have been getting too much money for a long time.

When Dundon bought the Canes one thing he said is that he's noticed that there are a whole bunch of guys in the league that are all at the same level but get paid wildly different amounts of money for some reason. Those middle tier guys are where you can find savings because the stars are always gonna get paid.

Didnt recognize you with your new avatar lol.

Do the math. Players take the same risks going on the ice to play. Concussions is pretty serious sh!t. If 22-23 year olds start eating up 80% of the revenue pie, there are a lot more players getting some pretty cold buckets of reality thrown on them & last I saw, each player has 1 vote per person in Union matters. Like I say, it's not the owners problem, they are more custodians of the players revenue share, how the players share of revenues is split will ultimately come down to the Union.

As for Chucky, I would think 7.5 for that 6 years is where it will land. What is the point of RFA status if these guys can bully their way to getting paid like UFA's. Keep in mind Tavares may have gotten 11.0 mill per but he was a UFA, that gave him clout. Matthews should not have gotten that high, especially for a 5 year deal with just 1 stinking UFA year being purchased.
- Kevin R

RFA status shouldn't be a thing at all. But it's those veteran contracts that always get teams into trouble anyway. Those guys have always been overpaid. It's time to do it properly and pay for what you think a guy CAN do rather than what he's already done.

Didnt recognize you with your new avatar lol.

Do the math. Players take the same risks going on the ice to play. Concussions is pretty serious sh!t. If 22-23 year olds start eating up 80% of the revenue pie, there are a lot more players getting some pretty cold buckets of reality thrown on them & last I saw, each player has 1 vote per person in Union matters. Like I say, it's not the owners problem, they are more custodians of the players revenue share, how the players share of revenues is split will ultimately come down to the Union.

As for Chucky, I would think 7.5 for that 6 years is where it will land. What is the point of RFA status if these guys can bully their way to getting paid like UFA's. Keep in mind Tavares may have gotten 11.0 mill per but he was a UFA, that gave him clout. Matthews should not have gotten that high, especially for a 5 year deal with just 1 stinking UFA year being purchased.
- Kevin R

That Tavares contract was the beginning of the end for the Leafs when it came to keeping their cap under control. They got burned by Stamkos the year before, so when Tavares came knocking, they spilled their guts trying to sign him. It set a standard for Matthews, which has now crushed the RFA market for the next several years.

If Dundas was smart, which he's not, he would have held Matthews to a $7 or $8M pricetag and taken his chances on the cap hit when Tavares is up. That Matthews' camp pushed for this deal should tell you everything you want to know about his priorities when it comes to winning.

Leafs are SCREWED as soon as next year because of this contract, in tandem with Nylander and Taveres deals. No reliable D outside their top pair, no backup goalie, little depth outside the top 6...

That Tavares contract was the beginning of the end for the Leafs when it came to keeping their cap under control. They got burned by Stamkos the year before, so when Tavares came knocking, they spilled their guts trying to sign him. It set a standard for Matthews, which has now crushed the RFA market for the next several years.

If Dundas was smart, which he's not, he would have held Matthews to a $7 or $8M pricetag and taken his chances on the cap hit when Tavares is up. That Matthews' camp pushed for this deal should tell you everything you want to know about his priorities when it comes to winning.

Leafs are SCREWED as soon as next year because of this contract, in tandem with Nylander and Taveres deals. No reliable D outside their top pair, no backup goalie, little depth outside the top 6...
- rmull905

Matthews was absolutely not signing an $8 million deal. That's absurd.

Matthews was absolutely not signing an $8 million deal. That's absurd.
- BINGO!

When you consider Ovie signed for 9.5 a decade ago, 11.5 isn't the crazy number. The 5 year term is the head shaker.

Yeah it is what it is. Chucky is a stud and plays the game it is meant to be played.

All the douche canoes on the Blues thread want to offer sheet him.

Bennett would actually be a good candidate for an offer sheet.
- DuranDuran

Looks like an offer of up to $5million would only cost a 2nd round pick to get bennett. I could see someone offering him $4 million. Calgary could match or just take the pick I guess.

Matthews was absolutely not signing an $8 million deal. That's absurd.
- BINGO!

Why is that absurd?

Stamkos at $8.5M with a longer, better resume
Gaudreau at $6.75M with a similar resume
Kucherov at $9.5M with a longer, better resume

Those deals either all bought up a number of UFA years, or were straight up UFA contracts. Couple that with the fact that something like 90% of the contract is signing bonus, absolving him of 35% of the taxes and it becomes more ridiculous.

If Dubas had structured an 8 year deal, then MAYBE this makes some level of sense, but he negotiated very poorly when you look at comparables around the league. He got 1 year of UFA status out of the way here.

When you consider Ovie signed for 9.5 a decade ago, 11.5 isn't the crazy number. The 5 year term is the head shaker.
- tincup

Sure, it was a huge percentage of the cap at the time, but he was also arguably the best player on the planet (1/1A with Crosby) and there was no one else on that team commanding big dollars outside of Backstrom.

They also then had to let guys like Green, Semin, Wideman, Varlamov etc walk in later years due to cap crunch issues. They had a bit of a buffer, but the Leafs are going to run into that as soon as next year.

Why is that absurd?

Stamkos at $8.5M with a longer, better resume
Gaudreau at $6.75M with a similar resume
Kucherov at $9.5M with a longer, better resume

Those deals either all bought up a number of UFA years, or were straight up UFA contracts. Couple that with the fact that something like 90% of the contract is signing bonus, absolving him of 35% of the taxes and it becomes more ridiculous.

If Dubas had structured an 8 year deal, then MAYBE this makes some level of sense, but he negotiated very poorly when you look at comparables around the league. He got 1 year of UFA status out of the way here.
- rmull905

& here's the rub. If these RFA's are putting the boots to Dumbass now, what are the odds they get him signed to an extension when he becomes a UFA at 26? Which means they have to consider trading him after the 4th year to get value if he wont agree to renegotiate & pull a Panarin. We will be looking at a similar fate with Gaudreau in a few years as well im afraid.

& here's the rub. If these RFA's are putting the boots to Dumbass now, what are the odds they get him signed to an extension when he becomes a UFA at 26? Which means they have to consider trading him after the 4th year to get value if he wont agree to renegotiate & pull a Panarin. We will be looking at a similar fate with Gaudreau in a few years as well im afraid.
- Kevin R

That's exactly why they shouldn't wait and waste a outstanding year by not making a splash at the deadline. Too many variables to guarantee long time success.

Bennett scrapped, but it was with Goodrow, not Kane. Kane chirped that he thought Bennett hit whatshispickle just because Kane wasn't around to drop the mitts.

Prout playing is a smart move tonight, Bennett hit is likely to result in some attempts at retribution.

Go get Crouse Tre, you know you want to.
- rmull905

F()ck that landeskog beat him up

Anyone know if they serve hard liquor at Rogers arena? Don’t feel like pissing every 5 minutes

Anyone know if they serve hard liquor at Rogers arena? Don’t feel like pissing every 5 minutes
- jessehub

Was just there for Kiss. Yes they do.

Was just there for Kiss. Yes they do.
- K-man25

Thanks bro. Kiss is still going strong hey?

Why is that absurd?

Stamkos at $8.5M with a longer, better resume
Gaudreau at $6.75M with a similar resume
Kucherov at $9.5M with a longer, better resume

Those deals either all bought up a number of UFA years, or were straight up UFA contracts. Couple that with the fact that something like 90% of the contract is signing bonus, absolving him of 35% of the taxes and it becomes more ridiculous.

If Dubas had structured an 8 year deal, then MAYBE this makes some level of sense, but he negotiated very poorly when you look at comparables around the league. He got 1 year of UFA status out of the way here.
- rmull905

Flux capacitor? those deals were signed in a different market...Gaudreau was not offer sheet eligible. Really he had no leverage. The Fact that MT will get more than Gaudreau should tell you a contract signed now Vs. 3 years ago are apples and oranges.

Kane and Bennett fought in the pre-season...why are some of the radio guys scared for his life? Sam can hold his own if need be

Thanks bro. Kiss is still going strong hey?
- jessehub

They rocked the house. Kick off gig, so they pulled all the stops. Funny seeing all these old 70+ guys go full out!

Hammer in!

And prout. 🤫

Hammer in!

And prout. 🤫
- Flamin_Irishmin

F()Ckin hammer time. Off to Seger... go flames go. Have a good night gentlemen.


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Flux capacitor? those deals were signed in a different market...Gaudreau was not offer sheet eligible. Really he had no leverage. The Fact that MT will get more than Gaudreau should tell you a contract signed now Vs. 3 years ago are apples and oranges.

Kane and Bennett fought in the pre-season...why are some of the radio guys scared for his life? Sam can hold his own if need be
- flashfire

Stamkos and Kucherov were a year or less ago...