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Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Feb 4 @ 6:10 PM ET
Use the first to get rid of Smith so Peters won’t start him in the playoffs
Flamin_Irishmin
Calgary Flames
Location: Victoria B.C., BC
Joined: 09.15.2015

Feb 4 @ 6:18 PM ET
Use the first to get rid of Smith so Peters won’t start him in the playoffs
- Nucker101

True dat. Probably what Tre’s thinking too.
K-man25
Calgary Flames
Location: Sayulita
Joined: 09.02.2014

Feb 4 @ 6:20 PM ET
Use the first to get rid of Smith so Peters won’t start him in the playoffs
- Nucker101

You guys going to hang in so we can play each other in the first round? Miss the hate!
Flamin_Irishmin
Calgary Flames
Location: Victoria B.C., BC
Joined: 09.15.2015

Feb 4 @ 6:30 PM ET
Sell high. Gotta think they have a plan with both him and Hammers deals ending next year. Also Seattle coming up.
- DuranDuran

If we trade him now before the deadline and Hammers our for any length of time our defence becomes:

Giordano-Andersson
Hanifin-Kylington
Valimaki-Prout

That could be not good enough for the playoffs. If anything, trade Brodie NEXT February I’m thinking.
K-man25
Calgary Flames
Location: Sayulita
Joined: 09.02.2014

Feb 4 @ 6:32 PM ET
If we trade him now before the deadline and Hammers our for any length of time our defence becomes:

Giordano-Andersson
Hanifin-Kylington
Valimaki-Prout

That could be not good enough for the playoffs. If anything, trade Brodie NEXT February I’m thinking.

- Flamin_Irishmin

At the draft in Vancouver. Recoup some draft picks
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Feb 4 @ 6:33 PM ET
You guys going to hang in so we can play each other in the first round? Miss the hate!
- K-man25


The West is pathetic so who knows. Whichever wild card teams suck the least will get in and get their asses kicked in round 1.

It would be fun though
pzoxic
Joined: 11.21.2015

Feb 4 @ 7:38 PM ET
Ottawa are probably not interested in Neil's contract so you might need to sweeten that a bit. Add Kylington from Calgary and include Borowiecky coming back maybe.
The Flames would love a mulligan on the Neil deal and could re invest that money next year and fair much better.

- DEDDIE

Niel isn’t going anywhere. And nor he should… yeah he hasn’t had a good season at all. But the last 10 or so games he has looked better. he is going to be a very valuable player come playoff time!!
K-man25
Calgary Flames
Location: Sayulita
Joined: 09.02.2014

Feb 4 @ 7:41 PM ET
Niel isn’t going anywhere. And nor he should… yeah he hasn’t had a good season at all. But the last 10 or so games he has looked better. he is going to be a very valuable player come playoff time!!
- pzoxic

Agree! He's been looking better and better.
tincup
Calgary Flames
Location: AB
Joined: 07.21.2006

Feb 4 @ 7:44 PM ET
Niel isn’t going anywhere. And nor he should… yeah he hasn’t had a good season at all. But the last 10 or so games he has looked better. he is going to be a very valuable player come playoff time!!
- pzoxic


Was just thinking, Neal could have 10 goals in the last 10 games with all the chances he's getting. I don't recall seeing anyone as snake bitten as he is right now.
DEDDIE
Calgary Flames
Location: Calgary
Joined: 01.08.2019

Feb 4 @ 8:18 PM ET
Niel isn’t going anywhere. And nor he should… yeah he hasn’t had a good season at all. But the last 10 or so games he has looked better. he is going to be a very valuable player come playoff time!!
- pzoxic


I hope you're right but dude is slow and with the way the game is played now i'm afraid his best days are long gone.
pzoxic
Joined: 11.21.2015

Feb 4 @ 9:15 PM ET
I hope you're right but dude is slow and with the way the game is played now i'm afraid his best days are long gone.
- DEDDIE

You could be right. Don’t think long gone! It’s not the lucic decline!! But it is a decline…
Hunkulese
Calgary Flames
Location: QC
Joined: 09.30.2006

Feb 4 @ 9:35 PM ET
You could be right. Don’t think long gone! It’s not the lucic decline!! But it is a decline…
- pzoxic


Lucic: 5g 9a 14p -8 and is only wasting 13:29 of ice time a game.
Neal: 5g 8a 13p -11 and wasting 15:09 a game. Also is never a threat to fight the other team's goalie.

It's a pretty big decline.
LittleBroDougie
Calgary Flames
Joined: 03.03.2017

Feb 4 @ 9:43 PM ET
Love you guys but these scenarios are far too much in the easy setting of NHL Be a GM mode.



If the extension version of the Stone deal was ever gonna happen it would need to be for a pretty uncomfortable price. I'm talking multiple high picks and prospects since we'd also need to unload some dead cap weight.

By uncomfortable I'm thinking this year's first and next year's first/second plus good prospects like Dube and Kylington/Andersson kinda level plus one of smith or frolik in return for stone (and a backup goalie in the case of Smith)
LittleBroDougie
Calgary Flames
Joined: 03.03.2017

Feb 4 @ 9:45 PM ET
Was just thinking, Neal could have 10 goals in the last 10 games with all the chances he's getting. I don't recall seeing anyone as snake bitten as he is right now.
- tincup


All of the flames last year

jk... probably frolik last year though he was shooting around 3-4% if i remember correctly.
tincup
Calgary Flames
Location: AB
Joined: 07.21.2006

Feb 4 @ 10:52 PM ET
All of the flames last year

jk... probably frolik last year though he was shooting around 3-4% if i remember correctly.

- LittleBroDougie


Neal around 4.4%. For a guy who's averaged around 11%, Have to believe he'll snap out of it.
K-man25
Calgary Flames
Location: Sayulita
Joined: 09.02.2014

Feb 4 @ 10:53 PM ET
Love you guys but these scenarios are far too much in the easy setting of NHL Be a GM mode.



If the extension version of the Stone deal was ever gonna happen it would need to be for a pretty uncomfortable price. I'm talking multiple high picks and prospects since we'd also need to unload some dead cap weight.

By uncomfortable I'm thinking this year's first and next year's first/second plus good prospects like Dube and Kylington/Andersson kinda level plus one of smith or frolik in return for stone (and a backup goalie in the case of Smith)

- LittleBroDougie


Not sure how you figure that? Frolik, our 1st, mangiapani should get us a ufa Stone, unload Brodie at the draft for picks, there's enough $ there to resign Stone.
LittleBroDougie
Calgary Flames
Joined: 03.03.2017

Feb 4 @ 11:29 PM ET
Neal around 4.4%. For a guy who's averaged around 11%, Have to believe he'll snap out of it.
- tincup


Oh yea 100% I agree! Just saying the comparable to last year.
LittleBroDougie
Calgary Flames
Joined: 03.03.2017

Feb 4 @ 11:33 PM ET
Not sure how you figure that? Frolik, our 1st, mangiapani should get us a ufa Stone, unload Brodie at the draft for picks, there's enough $ there to resign Stone.
- K-man25


Because what outside of the 1st are the sens reaaaally getting here. Frolik is a decent middle-6 but in decline now. Mang has upside but not enough to warrant the return of an elite sniper who's carrying an AHL team.

Plus how do we replace Brods at this point? Big hole to fill in top-6 then.

All I'm saying is I'd be ecstatic if that's all it took to make it work. Giving up our 2/3RW and 4LW for someone who could be a 1RW on most teams.
Hunkulese
Calgary Flames
Location: QC
Joined: 09.30.2006

Feb 4 @ 11:39 PM ET
Not sure how you figure that? Frolik, our 1st, mangiapani should get us a ufa Stone, unload Brodie at the draft for picks, there's enough $ there to resign Stone.
- K-man25


Frolik has zero value for the Sens. What use does their team have for a 31-year-old? Look at any deadline trade from forever. When has a team traded a star player for a 31-year-old 3rd line winger who's slightly overpaid and on the downswing of his career?

Mangiapane has done nothing with his time in the NHL to show that he can be an everyday player. Sure, he still has some potential, and maybe could prove useful if he can get on a team's top six, but he's not going to get you an elite player, even if that player is on an expiring contract.

The first round pick is also the 30th pick right now. Ottawa will be receiving much, much better offers for Stone.

Look at what they got for Karlsson, and they were relentlessly mocked. They may as well just fold if their GM is willing to do the trade you suggested.

Let's just say Tkachuk was 26, not willing to resign in Calgary, and the Flames were going nowhere. How would you feel getting Frolik and Mangianpane back?

It'll take at least Kylington, Mangiapane, and a 1st to get Stone.
Helios
Calgary Flames
Location: AB
Joined: 08.11.2016

Feb 4 @ 11:59 PM ET
I hope you're right but dude is slow and with the way the game is played now i'm afraid his best days are long gone.
- DEDDIE


Guy's been getting tons of chances he just can't buy a goal right now. I don't know if I've ever seen anyone as snake bitten as Neal is right now.

Regardless, I'm fine with keeping him around. He seems to be part of the leadership group and he's been playing well for a while now. Plus, he could just turn it on in the playoffs.
pzoxic
Joined: 11.21.2015

Feb 5 @ 12:16 AM ET
Guy's been getting tons of chances he just can't buy a goal right now. I don't know if I've ever seen anyone as snake bitten as Neal is right now.

Regardless, I'm fine with keeping him around. He seems to be part of the leadership group and he's been playing well for a while now. Plus, he could just turn it on in the playoffs.

- Helios

👍🏼Yup!!
DuranDuran
Calgary Flames
Location: Quito
Joined: 09.29.2015

Feb 5 @ 8:36 AM ET
I hope you're right but dude is slow and with the way the game is played now i'm afraid his best days are long gone.
- DEDDIE


IMO Neal is either Seattle bound or if not hopefully a buy out next time they have a bargaining agreement.

He has played much better and I am rooting for the guy but that money could be spent in much better ways.
DEDDIE
Calgary Flames
Location: Calgary
Joined: 01.08.2019

Feb 5 @ 9:39 AM ET
Frolik has zero value for the Sens. What use does their team have for a 31-year-old? Look at any deadline trade from forever. When has a team traded a star player for a 31-year-old 3rd line winger who's slightly overpaid and on the downswing of his career?

Mangiapane has done nothing with his time in the NHL to show that he can be an everyday player. Sure, he still has some potential, and maybe could prove useful if he can get on a team's top six, but he's not going to get you an elite player, even if that player is on an expiring contract.

The first round pick is also the 30th pick right now. Ottawa will be receiving much, much better offers for Stone.

Look at what they got for Karlsson, and they were relentlessly mocked. They may as well just fold if their GM is willing to do the trade you suggested.

Let's just say Tkachuk was 26, not willing to resign in Calgary, and the Flames were going nowhere. How would you feel getting Frolik and Mangianpane back?

It'll take at least Kylington, Mangiapane, and a 1st to get Stone.

- Hunkulese


Froliks contract does have some appeal to teams like the Sens though as next year his cap hit is 4.3M but his salary is only 3M. I do agree that Kylington would need to be in the deal for Stone.
K-man25
Calgary Flames
Location: Sayulita
Joined: 09.02.2014

Feb 5 @ 10:04 AM ET
Frolik has zero value for the Sens. What use does their team have for a 31-year-old? Look at any deadline trade from forever. When has a team traded a star player for a 31-year-old 3rd line winger who's slightly overpaid and on the downswing of his career?

Mangiapane has done nothing with his time in the NHL to show that he can be an everyday player. Sure, he still has some potential, and maybe could prove useful if he can get on a team's top six, but he's not going to get you an elite player, even if that player is on an expiring contract.

The first round pick is also the 30th pick right now. Ottawa will be receiving much, much better offers for Stone.

Look at what they got for Karlsson, and they were relentlessly mocked. They may as well just fold if their GM is willing to do the trade you suggested.

Let's just say Tkachuk was 26, not willing to resign in Calgary, and the Flames were going nowhere. How would you feel getting Frolik and Mangianpane back?

It'll take at least Kylington, Mangiapane, and a 1st to get Stone.

- Hunkulese

Well we all know how good you've been at predicting anything on this site. Until Stone is extended, he's still a rental.
rmull905
Calgary Flames
Joined: 02.27.2007

Feb 5 @ 1:19 PM ET
Frolik has zero value for the Sens. What use does their team have for a 31-year-old? Look at any deadline trade from forever. When has a team traded a star player for a 31-year-old 3rd line winger who's slightly overpaid and on the downswing of his career?

Mangiapane has done nothing with his time in the NHL to show that he can be an everyday player. Sure, he still has some potential, and maybe could prove useful if he can get on a team's top six, but he's not going to get you an elite player, even if that player is on an expiring contract.

The first round pick is also the 30th pick right now. Ottawa will be receiving much, much better offers for Stone.

Look at what they got for Karlsson, and they were relentlessly mocked. They may as well just fold if their GM is willing to do the trade you suggested.

Let's just say Tkachuk was 26, not willing to resign in Calgary, and the Flames were going nowhere. How would you feel getting Frolik and Mangianpane back?

It'll take at least Kylington, Mangiapane, and a 1st to get Stone.

- Hunkulese


The value for Ottawa in a Frolik trade would essentially be in flipping him to another contender. You could still get at least a 2nd rounder for him, so in essence, you acquire a prospect, a 1st and a 2nd if you manage the assets properly. He's shown an ability to turn it on at times, so I am sure other teams would have some interest there.
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