I agree those are good picks but Schwartz/Tarasenko were the same year and most of our picks are aging in the AHL or somewhere else. I bet the Tkachuk boys come back. I just looked at their picks and most have made little impact. Hopefully they are sharp in the second half.
- minivinnie3

Eddy was our pick, Dunn also. Barby, Thomas, Kyrou, schmaltz after this season will get a chance. Most decent picks have been traded for guys like Schenn, ROR, Jbow yeah okay army sucks at the draft ha ha

I've been told Matthews is going to Phoenix and Marner to the Islanders
- walshyleafsfan

Did you have a fantastic talk with a GM yesterday too

The Leafs CANT match an offer-sheet of 11 million for Marner if they want to keep Matthews - the Leafs don't have the cap space, and they won't have the time to create cap space via trade (and get equal value back) to make it work before July 1st FA season begins.

Toronto has 13 players signed through next season and $19,224,301 in cap space to sign at least 10 players.. I mean Matthews and Marner will be at least $25,000,000 combined.. Yea I know the cap may rise - but not even remotely close to help the Leafs predicament.

Sure, Shanahan can sign Matthews to a 15M per deal, however if he does - he won't have the space to sign Marner so cap dumps will have to be made before the July 1st FA season... If Shanahan is smart (and I question that given the fact he put the Leafs in cap hell in just one season) he would be working on deals to make this summer right now...

The Leafs are totally screwed and I could absolutely see one of Matthews or Marner receive offer-sheets.... Is $15,000,000 and 4 first round draft picks too much for Matthews? the salary is right and grabbing a talent like Matthews for 4 first round picks would be considered a steal.... Of course Matthews and Marner don't have to sign any contract - however come July 1st one of them or both will remain unsigned unless Shanahan has profound cost-cutting trades in place to get the Leafs the cap space they need to sign both before FA season opens July 1st.. And you better believe if both are unsigned, or either one of them is unsigned GM's will be targeting them with fat 7-year contracts.

And if it happens I will LMAO because Shanahan put himself in this position when he went out and signed Tavares knowing full well that Matthews, Marner and Nylander were owed significant contracts....... And even IF the Leafs are able to somehow retain Marner and Matthews, what kinda team are they going to have? they'll have a significant amount of cap space wrapped up in a handful of players. Sure the Leafs will have a few superstar players, but they'll have no one of quality to play with.

Look, there is no way to have Matthews, Marner, Nylander & Tavares all signed and still have quality depth..... The only way would be if both Matthews and Marner take a "discount" but that's not going to happen - this is their opportunity to cash in and be set for life, and have their children set for life - so they're not going to take 2-3 million less per year over 8+ years than what their market value is. That is 8-24 million right there...

So yes, I'm 100% certain that if either or both Marner and Matthews are unsigned July 1st they will absolutely get offer-sheets, weather or not they sign them can be debated however they will receive them.... I could see a team offering Matthews 15 + million per and Marner 11-12 million...And that kind of money is hard to turn down. Keep in mind that at the end of the day and regardless of what fans think - hockey is a business, and yes I understand hockey players take "sweetheart deals" aka "hometown discounts" however only AFTER they've made their money, after their prime they take those discounts.

I could care less if Toronto makes it work or if they don't, however simple math tells me they're in the worst "cap hell" of any team since the implementing of the salary cap..... Is it possible to keep both Marner and Matthews? absolutely but at the sacrifice of defense, depth and secondary scoring.

IMO, Shanahan should have traded Nylander for a young defenseman on an ELC with star/superstar potential that's NHL ready - and he still could - however guys like Marleau, Kadri, Zaitsev or even Rielly are as good as gone just to make room for Matthews and Marner not to mention Gardiner as well... And what does Shanahan do? he goes out and trades for Muzzin who will carry a cap hit of 4 million next year. It's abundantly clear that he doesn't care about the future, he's gone all in on this season. I assume the logic among Toronto brass is that if Toronto wins the Cup that it was all worth it....

If Toronto doesn't win the Cup this will be one of the biggest fails in NHL history.. Calling what Shanahan & corp did "reckless" would be an understatement. What Shanahan potentially did was throw a bright future away for ONE SHOT to win the Cup.. Had Shanahan not signed Tavares the Leafs would have had a shot at the Cup for the next decade - now it's one season before the band breaks up..

If it matters, even before the Leafs signed Tavares I suggested to Toronto fans that signing him would be a good idea if Nylander was traded for market value in return, and when I suggested that many Leafs fans said the logical thing "how will we be able to retain Marner and Matthews then?" and now it's "don't worry folks, everything will be fine - hometown discounts for everyone"..

And those whom are saying "don't worry folks, everything will be fine" are living in a delusion, lol..

So yes indeed I can see offer-sheets handed out like candy on Halloween, especially to Matthews and or Marner...

I dont think you can trade a player for 12 months after matching an offer sheet, they could match it and move someone else but Toronto won't be able to afford 4 million for Kapanen with all the contracts already in place and the Mathews and Marner ones coming
- obie

It will be very tight but they can. tbh kap probably gets 3million or less.

- eichiefs9

Tavares still stings eh.

M’kay
- Cptmjl

you bet ya

I had a fantastic conversation yesterday with a GM who said...

The very suggestion you ever speak with an active NHL GM is downright laughable.

8 - 1st round picks for Marner and Matthews...do it!


All I can see is...Matthews getting short sheeted...by Marner.

It will be very tight but they can. tbh kap probably gets 3million or less.
- ziffles

That's why I said offer him 4

Eklund: At least one GM sees an onslaught of offer sheets....but who?
- Eklund

Does your ass ever get jealous of your mouth when that much poop comes out of it?

The Leafs CANT match an offer-sheet of 11 million for Marner if they want to keep Matthews - the Leafs don't have the cap space, and they won't have the time to create cap space via trade (and get equal value back) to make it work before July 1st FA season begins.

Toronto has 13 players signed through next season and $19,224,301 in cap space to sign at least 10 players.. I mean Matthews and Marner will be at least $25,000,000 combined.. Yea I know the cap may rise - but not even remotely close to help the Leafs predicament.

Sure, Shanahan can sign Matthews to a 15M per deal, however if he does - he won't have the space to sign Marner so cap dumps will have to be made before the July 1st FA season... If Shanahan is smart (and I question that given the fact he put the Leafs in cap hell in just one season) he would be working on deals to make this summer right now...

The Leafs are totally screwed and I could absolutely see one of Matthews or Marner receive offer-sheets.... Is $15,000,000 and 4 first round draft picks too much for Matthews? the salary is right and grabbing a talent like Matthews for 4 first round picks would be considered a steal.... Of course Matthews and Marner don't have to sign any contract - however come July 1st one of them or both will remain unsigned unless Shanahan has profound cost-cutting trades in place to get the Leafs the cap space they need to sign both before FA season opens July 1st.. And you better believe if both are unsigned, or either one of them is unsigned GM's will be targeting them with fat 7-year contracts.

And if it happens I will LMAO because Shanahan put himself in this position when he went out and signed Tavares knowing full well that Matthews, Marner and Nylander were owed significant contracts....... And even IF the Leafs are able to somehow retain Marner and Matthews, what kinda team are they going to have? they'll have a significant amount of cap space wrapped up in a handful of players. Sure the Leafs will have a few superstar players, but they'll have no one of quality to play with.

Look, there is no way to have Matthews, Marner, Nylander & Tavares all signed and still have quality depth..... The only way would be if both Matthews and Marner take a "discount" but that's not going to happen - this is their opportunity to cash in and be set for life, and have their children set for life - so they're not going to take 2-3 million less per year over 8+ years than what their market value is. That is 8-24 million right there...

So yes, I'm 100% certain that if either or both Marner and Matthews are unsigned July 1st they will absolutely get offer-sheets, weather or not they sign them can be debated however they will receive them.... I could see a team offering Matthews 15 + million per and Marner 11-12 million...And that kind of money is hard to turn down. Keep in mind that at the end of the day and regardless of what fans think - hockey is a business, and yes I understand hockey players take "sweetheart deals" aka "hometown discounts" however only AFTER they've made their money, after their prime they take those discounts.

I could care less if Toronto makes it work or if they don't, however simple math tells me they're in the worst "cap hell" of any team since the implementing of the salary cap..... Is it possible to keep both Marner and Matthews? absolutely but at the sacrifice of defense, depth and secondary scoring.

IMO, Shanahan should have traded Nylander for a young defenseman on an ELC with star/superstar potential that's NHL ready - and he still could - however guys like Marleau, Kadri, Zaitsev or even Rielly are as good as gone just to make room for Matthews and Marner not to mention Gardiner as well... And what does Shanahan do? he goes out and trades for Muzzin who will carry a cap hit of 4 million next year. It's abundantly clear that he doesn't care about the future, he's gone all in on this season. I assume the logic among Toronto brass is that if Toronto wins the Cup that it was all worth it....

If Toronto doesn't win the Cup this will be one of the biggest fails in NHL history.. Calling what Shanahan & corp did "reckless" would be an understatement. What Shanahan potentially did was throw a bright future away for ONE SHOT to win the Cup.. Had Shanahan not signed Tavares the Leafs would have had a shot at the Cup for the next decade - now it's one season before the band breaks up..

If it matters, even before the Leafs signed Tavares I suggested to Toronto fans that signing him would be a good idea if Nylander was traded for market value in return, and when I suggested that many Leafs fans said the logical thing "how will we be able to retain Marner and Matthews then?" and now it's "don't worry folks, everything will be fine - hometown discounts for everyone"..

And those whom are saying "don't worry folks, everything will be fine" are living in a delusion, lol..

So yes indeed I can see offer-sheets handed out like candy on Halloween, especially to Matthews and or Marner...
- Savard2Secord

PLEASE tell me you typed all this out like anyone will read it!

The Leafs CANT match an offer-sheet of 11 million for Marner if they want to keep Matthews - the Leafs don't have the cap space, and they won't have the time to create cap space via trade (and get equal value back) to make it work before July 1st FA season begins.

Toronto has 13 players signed through next season and $19,224,301 in cap space to sign at least 10 players.. I mean Matthews and Marner will be at least $25,000,000 combined.. Yea I know the cap may rise - but not even remotely close to help the Leafs predicament.

Sure, Shanahan can sign Matthews to a 15M per deal, however if he does - he won't have the space to sign Marner so cap dumps will have to be made before the July 1st FA season... If Shanahan is smart (and I question that given the fact he put the Leafs in cap hell in just one season) he would be working on deals to make this summer right now...

The Leafs are totally screwed and I could absolutely see one of Matthews or Marner receive offer-sheets.... Is $15,000,000 and 4 first round draft picks too much for Matthews? the salary is right and grabbing a talent like Matthews for 4 first round picks would be considered a steal.... Of course Matthews and Marner don't have to sign any contract - however come July 1st one of them or both will remain unsigned unless Shanahan has profound cost-cutting trades in place to get the Leafs the cap space they need to sign both before FA season opens July 1st.. And you better believe if both are unsigned, or either one of them is unsigned GM's will be targeting them with fat 7-year contracts.

And if it happens I will LMAO because Shanahan put himself in this position when he went out and signed Tavares knowing full well that Matthews, Marner and Nylander were owed significant contracts....... And even IF the Leafs are able to somehow retain Marner and Matthews, what kinda team are they going to have? they'll have a significant amount of cap space wrapped up in a handful of players. Sure the Leafs will have a few superstar players, but they'll have no one of quality to play with.

Look, there is no way to have Matthews, Marner, Nylander & Tavares all signed and still have quality depth..... The only way would be if both Matthews and Marner take a "discount" but that's not going to happen - this is their opportunity to cash in and be set for life, and have their children set for life - so they're not going to take 2-3 million less per year over 8+ years than what their market value is. That is 8-24 million right there...

So yes, I'm 100% certain that if either or both Marner and Matthews are unsigned July 1st they will absolutely get offer-sheets, weather or not they sign them can be debated however they will receive them.... I could see a team offering Matthews 15 + million per and Marner 11-12 million...And that kind of money is hard to turn down. Keep in mind that at the end of the day and regardless of what fans think - hockey is a business, and yes I understand hockey players take "sweetheart deals" aka "hometown discounts" however only AFTER they've made their money, after their prime they take those discounts.

I could care less if Toronto makes it work or if they don't, however simple math tells me they're in the worst "cap hell" of any team since the implementing of the salary cap..... Is it possible to keep both Marner and Matthews? absolutely but at the sacrifice of defense, depth and secondary scoring.

IMO, Shanahan should have traded Nylander for a young defenseman on an ELC with star/superstar potential that's NHL ready - and he still could - however guys like Marleau, Kadri, Zaitsev or even Rielly are as good as gone just to make room for Matthews and Marner not to mention Gardiner as well... And what does Shanahan do? he goes out and trades for Muzzin who will carry a cap hit of 4 million next year. It's abundantly clear that he doesn't care about the future, he's gone all in on this season. I assume the logic among Toronto brass is that if Toronto wins the Cup that it was all worth it....

If Toronto doesn't win the Cup this will be one of the biggest fails in NHL history.. Calling what Shanahan & corp did "reckless" would be an understatement. What Shanahan potentially did was throw a bright future away for ONE SHOT to win the Cup.. Had Shanahan not signed Tavares the Leafs would have had a shot at the Cup for the next decade - now it's one season before the band breaks up..

If it matters, even before the Leafs signed Tavares I suggested to Toronto fans that signing him would be a good idea if Nylander was traded for market value in return, and when I suggested that many Leafs fans said the logical thing "how will we be able to retain Marner and Matthews then?" and now it's "don't worry folks, everything will be fine - hometown discounts for everyone"..

And those whom are saying "don't worry folks, everything will be fine" are living in a delusion, lol..

So yes indeed I can see offer-sheets handed out like candy on Halloween, especially to Matthews and or Marner...
- Savard2Secord

Kyle Dubas is the Leafs GM, not Brendan Shanahan.



So...............................Derp?

Eklund: At least one GM sees an onslaught of offer sheets....but who?
- Eklund

this isn't the NBA


GM's are too scared to hurt someone else's feelings

The Leafs CANT match an offer-sheet of 11 million for Marner if they want to keep Matthews - the Leafs don't have the cap space, and they won't have the time to create cap space via trade (and get equal value back) to make it work before July 1st FA season begins.

Toronto has 13 players signed through next season and $19,224,301 in cap space to sign at least 10 players.. I mean Matthews and Marner will be at least $25,000,000 combined.. Yea I know the cap may rise - but not even remotely close to help the Leafs predicament.

Sure, Shanahan can sign Matthews to a 15M per deal, however if he does - he won't have the space to sign Marner so cap dumps will have to be made before the July 1st FA season... If Shanahan is smart (and I question that given the fact he put the Leafs in cap hell in just one season) he would be working on deals to make this summer right now...

The Leafs are totally screwed and I could absolutely see one of Matthews or Marner receive offer-sheets.... Is $15,000,000 and 4 first round draft picks too much for Matthews? the salary is right and grabbing a talent like Matthews for 4 first round picks would be considered a steal.... Of course Matthews and Marner don't have to sign any contract - however come July 1st one of them or both will remain unsigned unless Shanahan has profound cost-cutting trades in place to get the Leafs the cap space they need to sign both before FA season opens July 1st.. And you better believe if both are unsigned, or either one of them is unsigned GM's will be targeting them with fat 7-year contracts.

And if it happens I will LMAO because Shanahan put himself in this position when he went out and signed Tavares knowing full well that Matthews, Marner and Nylander were owed significant contracts....... And even IF the Leafs are able to somehow retain Marner and Matthews, what kinda team are they going to have? they'll have a significant amount of cap space wrapped up in a handful of players. Sure the Leafs will have a few superstar players, but they'll have no one of quality to play with.

Look, there is no way to have Matthews, Marner, Nylander & Tavares all signed and still have quality depth..... The only way would be if both Matthews and Marner take a "discount" but that's not going to happen - this is their opportunity to cash in and be set for life, and have their children set for life - so they're not going to take 2-3 million less per year over 8+ years than what their market value is. That is 8-24 million right there...

So yes, I'm 100% certain that if either or both Marner and Matthews are unsigned July 1st they will absolutely get offer-sheets, weather or not they sign them can be debated however they will receive them.... I could see a team offering Matthews 15 + million per and Marner 11-12 million...And that kind of money is hard to turn down. Keep in mind that at the end of the day and regardless of what fans think - hockey is a business, and yes I understand hockey players take "sweetheart deals" aka "hometown discounts" however only AFTER they've made their money, after their prime they take those discounts.

I could care less if Toronto makes it work or if they don't, however simple math tells me they're in the worst "cap hell" of any team since the implementing of the salary cap..... Is it possible to keep both Marner and Matthews? absolutely but at the sacrifice of defense, depth and secondary scoring.

IMO, Shanahan should have traded Nylander for a young defenseman on an ELC with star/superstar potential that's NHL ready - and he still could - however guys like Marleau, Kadri, Zaitsev or even Rielly are as good as gone just to make room for Matthews and Marner not to mention Gardiner as well... And what does Shanahan do? he goes out and trades for Muzzin who will carry a cap hit of 4 million next year. It's abundantly clear that he doesn't care about the future, he's gone all in on this season. I assume the logic among Toronto brass is that if Toronto wins the Cup that it was all worth it....

If Toronto doesn't win the Cup this will be one of the biggest fails in NHL history.. Calling what Shanahan & corp did "reckless" would be an understatement. What Shanahan potentially did was throw a bright future away for ONE SHOT to win the Cup.. Had Shanahan not signed Tavares the Leafs would have had a shot at the Cup for the next decade - now it's one season before the band breaks up..

If it matters, even before the Leafs signed Tavares I suggested to Toronto fans that signing him would be a good idea if Nylander was traded for market value in return, and when I suggested that many Leafs fans said the logical thing "how will we be able to retain Marner and Matthews then?" and now it's "don't worry folks, everything will be fine - hometown discounts for everyone"..

And those whom are saying "don't worry folks, everything will be fine" are living in a delusion, lol..

So yes indeed I can see offer-sheets handed out like candy on Halloween, especially to Matthews and or Marner...
- Savard2Secord

I find it very sad that you care this much about a team you don’t cheer for.

PLEASE tell me you typed all this out like anyone will read it!
- muffin_man

I hope Dubas read it. Apparently he's out of a job. I wonder if another team will offer sheet him.

I've been told Matthews is going to Phoenix and Marner to the Islanders
- walshyleafsfan

BIG if true..

I find it very sad that you care this much about a team you don’t cheer for.
- Santo_44

Ah he's just bitter his Hawks blew most of their Cap space on their core who are now on the back nine of their careers. Take it as a compliment. Other teams fans being jealous means that your team is a Cup contender. I heard this crap for years when the Red Wings were the envy of the league. I miss those days.

It's Ek's favourite subject.
- gergeswillems

Stupid topics??

Stupid topics??
- Fruitcakenipple

What's more annoying? Ek's yearly soap box rant about offer sheets happening or Sportsnet's trade deadline show where Colby Armstrong tells everyone how his mom woke him up to tell him that he was traded to Atlanta as part of the Hossa deal?

What's more annoying? Ek's yearly soap box rant about offer sheets happening or Sportsnet's trade deadline show where Colby Armstrong tells everyone how his mom woke him up to tell him that he was traded to Atlanta as part of the Hossa deal?
- gergeswillems

Tough call...big decision..I dont know b'y...

I find it very sad that you care this much about a team you don’t cheer for.
- Santo_44

yes guy

What's more annoying? Ek's yearly soap box rant about offer sheets happening or Sportsnet's trade deadline show where Colby Armstrong tells everyone how his mom woke him up to tell him that he was traded to Atlanta as part of the Hossa deal?
- gergeswillems

Let us not forget the "sign and trades"

yes guy
- BernardShakey

Thats not guy that Jim b'y...

Let us not forget the "sign and trades"
- BernardShakey

Next will be the sign and trade offer sheets. Leafs trade Marner to Detroit and then sign him to an offer sheet. Detroit matches but then trades him back to Toronto.