EB, check out this link.

https://www.wingingitinmo...n-draft-for-the-red-wings

There's a paragraph in italics about half way through which says for a 18-19 year old, 10 games played constitutes a season.
- boilermaker100

I think that is for ELC slide year - if the player plays less than 10 games his ELC slides a year and essentially becomes a 4-year ELC. I'm not sure that applies for expansion draft.

https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-expansion-draft-rules/c-281010592

i) One defenseman who is a) under contract in 2017-18 and b) played in 40 or more NHL games the prior season OR played in 70 or more NHL games in the prior two seasons.
- Mr Ricochet

If the rules are kept the same for the Seattle expansion draft (dates adjusted), then it would seen the 40 game thing wouldn't apply to Joki because he will certainly have played more than 70 games by the time of the expansion draft.

The only people making up that Keith isnt a good teammate are those he spurned and didnt give an autograph or take a picture with.

The guy is a great pro and hes been helping Joki (Henri had even said sitting by him on planes has been awesome to learn from)...then JC stopped playing them together.

Imagine if Q (3x cup winning HOF coach), sent Joki down. Then the whine would have been "See, Q hates young players"
- PatShart

I agree, it's insane to think that Keith is a bad teammate and a bad leader. He does wear an A.... Players have been stripped of their letter for much less.

I doubt it, they probably will keep him playing on the left to get more comfortable with it
- BetweenTheDots

Why?

Rockford is limited in RHD as well.

You think they want him on the Left vs. Right?

Hope you've been taking notes, researching, networking and gathering info for an in depth blog on the expansion draft, what it means to the Hawks, how they might prepare for it (options) and the concerns of what player may be lost.

Finally the Hawks have top end prospects after 10 yrs and along comes an expansion draft.
- Mr Ricochet

Yep - I will have a nice write up on the expansion draft just not yet.

I agree with you and I think it isn't a bad thing to let him get some AHL minutes. Curious to see just how well he does in Rockford.
- breadbag

Joki should have been getting minutes in the WHL this year. I never liked the idea of bringing up a 19 year old to play defence in the bigs.

EB, check out this link.

https://www.wingingitinmo...n-draft-for-the-red-wings

There's a paragraph in italics about half way through which says for a 18-19 year old, 10 games played constitutes a season.
- boilermaker100

Also, players that have no movement clauses (NMC) must be protected, although they can waive their NMC specifically for the purposes of the expansion draft. That is, after the expansion draft, they will continue to have a NMC. It’s important to note that this is only for NMCs and not for no-trade clauses (NTCs).

If the rules are kept the same for the Seattle expansion draft (dates adjusted), then it would seen the 40 game thing wouldn't apply to Joki because he will certainly have played more than 70 games by the time of the expansion draft.
- EbonyRaptor

Yeah, I don't think it will matter. The 40 and 70 games is just that they need to have at least one player with that much playing time exposed.

The exception to the draft is

* All first- and second-year NHL players, and all unsigned draft choices, will be exempt from selection (and will not be counted toward protection limits.

This year will count as Joki's first. 19-20 will count as second. 20-21 will be third. He will not be exempt.

If the rules are kept the same for the Seattle expansion draft (dates adjusted), then it would seen the 40 game thing wouldn't apply to Joki because he will certainly have played more than 70 games by the time of the expansion draft.
- EbonyRaptor

Yes, the rules are the same. As I read it both this and next yr are the parameters used to determine eligibility as it relates to the expansion draft. But if Joki plays 40 NHL games next yr he's eligible.

Yep - I will have a nice write up on the expansion draft just not yet.
- Justin Lowe

No hurry Justin, very important blog and one that will take a bunch of time to put together. ........ If they keep and sign Gus he's one that would probably be exposed, no? 2 yrs is a lot of time before the expansion draft and so much can and will change but an organIzation has to be playing chess the next 2 yrs to be ready for it.

Yeah, I don't think it will matter. The 40 and 70 games is just that they need to have at least one player with that much playing time exposed.

The exception to the draft is

* All first- and second-year NHL players, and all unsigned draft choices, will be exempt from selection (and will not be counted toward protection limits.

This year will count as Joki's first. 19-20 will count as second. 20-21 will be third. He will not be exempt.
- breadbag

Would Seabs and Keith agree to be exposed to the expansion draft?

No hurry Justin, very important blog and one that will take a bunch of time to put together. ........ If they keep and sign Gus he's one that would probably be exposed, no? 2 yrs is a lot of time before the expansion draft and so much can and will change but an organIzation has to be playing chess the next 2 yrs to be ready for it.
- Mr Ricochet

Biggest thing that may change between now and then is the CBA. Next season might be last under this CBA agreement, so there are a lot of things to consider and that might change between now and then, including possibly another lockout.

Would Seabs and Keith agree to be exposed to the expansion draft?
- Mr Ricochet

Your guess is as good as mine. I think both players wouldn't mind living in that area, but the 21-22 season is a long way out still.

And convince Seabrook to waive his NMC to become Seattle's captain. Hawks would have to add some sweeteners though to talk Seattle into drafting him.
- boilermaker100

Even if Seattle wouldn't take him, it would be advantageous to not have to protect him.

If the rules are kept the same for the Seattle expansion draft (dates adjusted), then it would seen the 40 game thing wouldn't apply to Joki because he will certainly have played more than 70 games by the time of the expansion draft.
- EbonyRaptor

https://www.wingingitinmo...n-draft-for-the-red-wings

Players who have played two or fewer professional seasons as of the summer of 2021 are exempt. An easy way to think about that is that anyone drafted after this season will be exempt. If the Wings end up winning the lottery and selecting Jack Hughes, they WILL NOT have to use a protection slot on him.



If Joki was left in jrs this yr he would have been exempt. As I understand this if Boqvist, Mitchell and Beaudin don't play 10 NHL games this yr but play the next 2 yrs pro, that includes the AHL, they will be exempt.

Even if Seattle wouldn't take him, it would be advantageous to not have to protect him.
- StLBravesFan

Indeed!!!! Ditto Keith............ If both waived, and highly unlikely Seattle would take either, the Hawks could then protect every other Dman should they choose that route or have to expose just 1 other Dman if they chose the other route.

https://www.wingingitinmo...n-draft-for-the-red-wings

Option 1: 7 Forwards, 3 Defensemen, 1 Goalie.
Option 2: 8 skaters (forward or defensemen), 1 goalie.

Biggest thing that may change between now and then is the CBA. Next season might be last under this CBA agreement, so there are a lot of things to consider and that might change between now and then, including possibly another lockout.
- breadbag

Great point, but with the great success Vegas has had I'd think the league would press hard to keep the existing expansion draft rules.

Joki should have been getting minutes in the WHL this year. I never liked the idea of bringing up a 19 year old to play defence in the bigs.
- 67hawks

He was playing 20 minutes a night as the #2 dman on the team when Quenneville was coach. Playing on Keith's right side he was excellent. There is nothing more he could have done in the WHL...if you're good enough to make the Big Leagues, you should play there. It's baffling to me Colliton's usage of Jokiharju....


EDIT: Joki goes down to dominate the AHL and be the #1 Dman on Rockford. Fine, no problem there. I'm viewing this as a tank move bc I think Joki is better than Koekkek and Forsling

Quiz

Name a Blackhawk dman whom had a powerful shot around and during the Doug Wilson era.

Clue He is a GM now. Both him and Wilson are GM"s.

If the groundhog can see his shadow next week, does this mean more crappy weather or crappy Blackhawk trades? Maybe both?
- jhawk59

Bob Murray shot as hard as Duncan Keith.

Keith Brown and Behn Wilson had far harder shots then bob murray

Yep - I will have a nice write up on the expansion draft just not yet.
- Justin Lowe

I'm trying to understand why Las Vegas is given a free pass on the next expansion? Can someone explain why this is happening?


I guess with Joki,, being sent down it appears Chicago isn't making any major trades .

Would Seabs and Keith agree to be exposed to the expansion draft?
- Mr Ricochet

They probably wouldn't mind. However no sane GM building a team will squander their chance with picking a 38 or 37 year old defenseman.

He was playing 20 minutes a night as the #2 dman on the team when Quenneville was coach. Playing on Keith's right side he was excellent. There is nothing more he could have done in the WHL...if you're good enough to make the Big Leagues, you should play there. It's baffling to me Colliton's usage of Jokiharju....


EDIT: Joki goes down to dominate the AHL and be the #1 Dman on Rockford. Fine, no problem there. I'm viewing this as a tank move bc I think Joki is better than Koekkek and Forsling
- EnzoD

This seems like the most logical conclusion. Put the best defender in the minor leagues to play Koekkek. Now, they just need to keep Delia out of net.

Once Seabrook hangs up the skates, retire #7 for him, Chelios, and Sanipass? Don't think Sanipass wore that number long. I think he switched numbers at some point. (To be clear, being sarcastic about Sanipass)

I know there's a mixed bag on how people feel about Chelios but I'm in the camp that if #7 is retired, it should be for him and Seabrook.
- AEL_Fox

If it is to be retired it should be for the guy who played a major part in bringing the organization 3 Cups and is the longest tenured D-man in team history.

Screw Chelios.

Bright side, he will now get 23+ minutes every night on the top pair.
- 35Tony0

I wouldn't bet on that. King has been trotting out Campbell and McArdle as his top pair.

If it is to be retired it should be for the guy who played a major part in bringing the organization 3 Cups and is the longest tenured D-man in team history.

Screw Chelios.
- Elbows15

Totally agree. Chelios is basically a Bob Murray... some good years, no big whoop, but he played more time for the Red Wings than Hawks.
You would not put Dennis Hull on a Patrick Sharp banner, even though he was a nice player as well...