Agree it’s your post above too. Whatever the Hawks try to bring back in trade, should potentially bring back picks and high end prospects...more kicks at the can.

Also think if they did try to sell high on Gus he would bring back better than a third.
- HawkintheD

And the very next question after #1 being to properly evaluate your own system is what is their window to be relevant??? ....... That done they proceed with what kind of returns are they looking for for a Keith, AA, Gus, to fit "the" organIzational plan? If it's 2 yrs they need a top prospect more so than a pick, unless of course the pick is a high 1st rd and you ain't gettin that from any of the 3 I mentioned. 3rd round picks and lower will bring players who can help in 3-4-5 yrs, prospects maybe in 1 or 2.

The TDL should answer a lot of questions for a Hawks fan and the offseason even more as to their plan and window for it.

Just looking at Cap Friendly and man is Toronto in trouble with the cap space they have and having to sign Marner, Mathews, Kapenen, Johansson, a couple more forwards, 5 defenseman, and a backup goalie. They have about 35M to sign these players.

Business could be open in Toronto for the taking. I wish there was a way to get Kadri to the Hawks. There is a very strong 3rd line centre and he is signed for another 3 years at 4.5M.

I doubt Toronto would deal him this year, but something has to give in the off season.
- scott.jackson

Count me a s big Kadri fan, he really took off when he accepted a 2 way role instead of being an offensive dynamo. But to me he's on the edge of being too old at 28 depending on the Hawk plan........... But at 28 and signed for a very team friendly 4.5 thru 21/22 he might provide so much value the Leafs need him. Kinda like how Stan saw Saad and his contract.

Tampa Bay is going to need to clear a bunch of cap space going into the off season as well. If I were Stan I would call them and see what they are willing to give up if the Hawks were to take Callahan and his 5.8M for the remainder of this year and next year.

Just looking at Cap Friendly and man is Toronto in trouble with the cap space they have and having to sign Marner, Mathews, Kapenen, Johansson, a couple more forwards, 5 defenseman, and a backup goalie. They have about 35M to sign these players.

Business could be open in Toronto for the taking. I wish there was a way to get Kadri to the Hawks. There is a very strong 3rd line centre and he is signed for another 3 years at 4.5M.

I doubt Toronto would deal him this year, but something has to give in the off season.
- scott.jackson

28 to old for me, I'm sure they have a bad contract and some nice young prospects in the pipeline, I'm sure that Marleau contract is a hindrance and the prospects and picks we could get for taking on that contract would be outstanding.

Count me a s big Kadri fan, he really took off when he accepted a 2 way role instead of being an offensive dynamo. But to me he's on the edge of being too old at 28 depending on the Hawk plan........... But at 28 and signed for a very team friendly 4.5 thru 21/22 he might provide so much value the Leafs need him. Kinda like how Stan saw Saad and his contract.
- Mr Ricochet

I understand that his is 28 years old, but you also need to bring in guys like him to work with the younger players and so them the correct way to play the game which is the full 200ft.

The Hawks would also be very strong down the middle with Toews, Strome, Kadri, and resign Kampf as your 4th centre.

Just looking at Cap Friendly and man is Toronto in trouble with the cap space they have and having to sign Marner, Mathews, Kapenen, Johansson, a couple more forwards, 5 defenseman, and a backup goalie. They have about 35M to sign these players.

Business could be open in Toronto for the taking. I wish there was a way to get Kadri to the Hawks. There is a very strong 3rd line centre and he is signed for another 3 years at 4.5M.

I doubt Toronto would deal him this year, but something has to give in the off season.
- scott.jackson

Why would you want a rebuilding team, Chicago, to trade for a 28 year old? By the time the Hawks are ready to contend Kadri will be on the downside of his career. If the Hawks make a trade with the Leafs I'd prefer to get their prospestd or younger roster players.

Kucherov goes from 4.7 to 9.5 and Gourde from 1 to 5.1 mil next yr but they can lose 11 mil in Girardi, Stralman, Coburn next yr if they choose. This while they have 4 mil in space right now............. Stevie Y orchestrated their cap like a meastro.
- Mr Ricochet

Yup. Yzerman did a great job there. Rumor is EDM is going to ask him about their GM opening but he still lives with his family in the Detroit area is what I heard. Sounds like it’s Detroit GM or bust possibly

Yup. Yzerman did a great job there. Rumor is EDM is going to ask him about their GM opening but he still lives with his family in the Detroit area is what I heard. Sounds like it’s Detroit GM or bust possibly
- WSCTeton17

Yep just like Nashville, San Jose, unfortunately great cap management has yet to translate to SC winner

I understand that his is 28 years old, but you also need to bring in guys like him to work with the younger players and so them the correct way to play the game which is the full 200ft.

The Hawks would also be very strong down the middle with Toews, Strome, Kadri, and resign Kampf as your 4th centre.
- scott.jackson

Toews at 10.5 can "mentor" forwards, Seabs at 7.8 can "mentor" Dmen. ....... Now Kaponen at 22 yrs old is very interesting. Kapanen and Marleau for a prospect not named Boqvist, Beaudin, Mitchell?

Why would you want a rebuilding team, Chicago, to trade for a 28 year old? By the time the Hawks are ready to contend Kadri will be on the downside of his career. If the Hawks make a trade with the Leafs I'd prefer to get their prospestd or younger roster players.
- paulr

I agree with your comment about Kadri being older, but Toronto can't trade for players without sending salary back. You take Kadri and prospects or young players. The Hawks still need to field a competitive team over the next 2 or 3 years or there will be 10000 empty seats at the UC.

I agree with your comment about Kadri being older, but Toronto can't trade for players without sending salary back. You take Kadri and prospects or young players. The Hawks still need to field a competitive team over the next 2 or 3 years or there will be 10000 empty seats at the UC.
- scott.jackson

Thats why Toews and Kane aren't going anywhere. We're a tough fan base but fair, the fans will still come out if the fo keeps trying

Toews at 10.5 can "mentor" forwards, Seabs at 7.8 can "mentor" Dmen. ....... Now Kaponen at 22 yrs old is very interesting. Kapanen and Marleau for a prospect not named Boqvist, Beaudin, Mitchell?
- Mr Ricochet

If Toronto trades Kapanen it is going to be for a top 4 defenseman. They are going to need to replace Gardiner. Toronto is very high on Kapanen and they don't want to trade him. If push comes to shove and they trade him they want a proven defenseman in return.

I understand that his is 28 years old, but you also need to bring in guys like him to work with the younger players and so them the correct way to play the game which is the full 200ft.

The Hawks would also be very strong down the middle with Toews, Strome, Kadri, and resign Kampf as your 4th centre.
- scott.jackson

I like Kadri's game, too. Tough as nails, agitates the heck out of other teams' stars, 200 foot game, offensive punch with 20+ goal and 40-50 points. Would be a nice option to consider for 3C.

I would be down with that lineup of centers as you stated: Toews, Strome, Kadri, Kampf.

Winger options: Kahun, Sikura, Perlini, Caggiula, Hayden.

Depending on whether the Hawks are able to draft an NHL-ready 1st rounder and nab a top 6 winger, then the forward corps starts to look pretty good. Of course, the blueline needs the most work but if the price is right to upgrade up front, then go for it.

I like Kadri's game, too. Tough as nails, agitates the heck out of other teams' stars, 200 foot game, offensive punch with 20+ goal and 40-50 points. Would be a nice option to consider for 3C.

I would be down with that lineup of centers as you stated: Toews, Strome, Kadri, Kampf.

Winger options: Kahun, Sikura, Perlini, Caggiula, Hayden.

Depending on whether the Hawks are able to draft an NHL-ready 1st rounder and nab a top 6 winger, then the forward corps starts to look pretty good. Of course, the blueline needs the most work but if the price is right to upgrade up front, then go for it.
- AEL_Fox

Can we please stop with kampf he has shown very little to be a regular nhl player. As a center how is he on faceoffs and he doesn't have much offense upside could he be kruger replacement sure but i m not sold on him but time will tell.

Kucherov goes from 4.7 to 9.5 and Gourde from 1 to 5.1 mil next yr but they can lose 11 mil in Girardi, Stralman, Coburn next yr if they choose. This while they have 4 mil in space right now............. Stevie Y orchestrated their cap like a meastro.
- Mr Ricochet

Just being a devil's advocate here. Capfriendly shows TB with 6.376M in cap space next year with 16 players signed. Let's say cap goes up 3.5M next year giving TB about $10M is cap space.

Pointe will have to resign for say 5M, so 5M left for 5-6 roster spots, including 3 d-men if d-men such as Giradi, Stralman, Coburn walk, They will have to rely on a bunch of $1M defensemen to take their places to fit under the cap. A bunch of young or cheap veteran defense is not a good idea for a cup contender (see our Blackhawks).

IMO, TB will have to move somebody and free up salary space to beef up that defense next year.

Maybe Stevie Y got out at a good time.

People. Stop trading Mitchell. He is going to be the best of the bunch of the D-men prospects. I would give up Jokesonyou before Mitchell. And I am a fan of Joki.

Another variable in any trades that could work in the Hawks' favor is the expansion draft coming as teams try and set up their rosters to not expose players they don't wanna lose for nothing. Some I'm guessing are in a pickle that way and might be willing to take less for a player now than nothing in the expansion draft or even when that time comes.

Justin, a look at the Hawks organIzational pipeline and roster as it relates to the expansion draft might be a good topic for a blog.
- Mr Ricochet

Yes, yes it would. It's on the list.

Can we please stop with kampf he has shown very little to be a regular nhl player. As a center how is he on faceoffs and he doesn't have much offense upside could he be kruger replacement sure but i m not sold on him but time will tell.
- Scott1977

Who would you want instead at 4C?

I don't mind upgrading him but wouldn't be upset if he earns the 4C spot next year. Given that Colliton likes to play him a lot, it seems that Kampf is a safe bet to be on the team next year unless Stan takes that toy away by trading him.

Can we please stop with kampf he has shown very little to be a regular nhl player. As a center how is he on faceoffs and he doesn't have much offense upside could he be kruger replacement sure but i m not sold on him but time will tell.
- Scott1977

Then pay attention. Kampf is going to be a vg shutdown center. He is being miscast as a 3C. He won't need offensive upside in that role. He will just need to be able to flip the ice, which he already does quite well.

Just being a devil's advocate here. Capfriendly shows TB with 6.376M in cap space next year with 16 players signed. Let's say cap goes up 3.5M next year giving TB about $10M is cap space.

Pointe will have to resign for say 5M, so 5M left for 5-6 roster spots, including 3 d-men if d-men such as Giradi, Stralman, Coburn walk, They will have to rely on a bunch of $1M defensemen to take their places to fit under the cap. A bunch of young or cheap veteran defense is not a good idea for a cup contender (see our Blackhawks).

IMO, TB will have to move somebody and free up salary space to beef up that defense next year.

Maybe Stevie Y got out at a good time.
- boilermaker100

Great points. Also, Point is >> than Gourde so he is going to earn more than $5.1 and by a wide margin.

Then pay attention. Kampf is going to be a vg shutdown center. He is being miscast as a 3C. He won't need offensive upside in that role. He will just need to be able to flip the ice, which he already does quite well.
- Elbows15

Exactly. Was too lazy to type out those points you laid out nicely.

If Toronto trades Kapanen it is going to be for a top 4 defenseman. They are going to need to replace Gardiner. Toronto is very high on Kapanen and they don't want to trade him. If push comes to shove and they trade him they want a proven defenseman in return.
- scott.jackson

Ok, keep Kapanen and lose either Matthews or Marner to do so?

Just being a devil's advocate here. Capfriendly shows TB with 6.376M in cap space next year with 16 players signed. Let's say cap goes up 3.5M next year giving TB about $10M is cap space.

Pointe will have to resign for say 5M, so 5M left for 5-6 roster spots, including 3 d-men if d-men such as Giradi, Stralman, Coburn walk, They will have to rely on a bunch of $1M defensemen to take their places to fit under the cap. A bunch of young or cheap veteran defense is not a good idea for a cup contender (see our Blackhawks).

IMO, TB will have to move somebody and free up salary space to beef up that defense next year.

Maybe Stevie Y got out at a good time.
- boilermaker100

Yeah, they will have to make some tough decisions and it isn't going to be so easy for them to move Callahan unless they add some vg prospects. Even Killorn and Palat are going to be troublesome for TB. Not to say those two are not useful players that wouldn't be assets for a team to acquire, but the leverage will be with the team in the market for Palat and Killorn.

i don't care to participate in "trading card" speculation...

but its is nice to see other teams (many that have won nothing) up against the cap and required to overpay for 2nd and 3rd contracts for "their guys" and have to sell off assets...for the first time in 10 years stanbow has some leverage and can be the taker instead of the giver...

Ok, keep Kapanen and lose either Matthews or Marner to do so?
- Mr Ricochet

Sounds like the leafs are talking about shorter contracts for Matthews and Marner .Something like 5 or 6 years for a little less money( cap hit ) .I don't know if that a good idea or not .Just what I read .