To Chicago: 2019 3rd (Vegas)

To Vegas: 2019 4th (Boston) + 2020 5th (Chicago)

#blockbuster #plantheparade #doitstan
- DarthKane

I like the creativity, DK.

Very interesting. I do love Mitchell, but Trouba is a bonafide horse. You know you're getting a top pairing guy.

Lowry would be a great addition as a supporting centre.
- Justin Lowe

Me too! But you have to give up to get some.. Oh heck, I would remove Koekkoek and add Gustafsson instead to make it happen if necessary?

I would not trade Beaudin. Should almost be untouchable, to me.

EDIT: I do everything possible, if I were the Hawks, to develop the defense and hope all hit. We could have a solid, high intensity defense with the timely development of:

Jokiharju-Boqvist
Beaudin-Murphy


There's a chance these young D-men can be the next Keith-Seabs in their prime.
- HawksHype

That 's the cirrect approach. But wait. There is more to come. From them and other prospects.

On this board there has been discussion of whom the other prospects are and how soon each might arrivr. What role they migjht be cast has been covered as well

I want to to discuss the here and now - the present moment through the remainder of the season

My objevtive - and if Bowman does not feel it is pushing too fast for advancement - is to allow certain dmen to gain confidance then show/at least hint what they can do.

While i am not totally against what style Samuelson preferred, it is far better to let young dmen keep it simple while also playing to their strength. Other parts to their game could develop once they are comfortable, ie. confidant in their ability at the NHL level

I hope Bowman is smart enough to act on the following....really, though, it is both Bowman and Colliton being on the same page. Something that was not always the case and which proved detrimental to the career of some players Q coached.

I say give dmen prospects 10 games consecutive so that they know a mistake is not meaning they get reduced to very little TOI.

The catch is, some of the.current prospects whom play nhl this season are maybe ready to show they can play here while still developing. Some are not and they by playing here now only stalls their development

Ready now: play Dahlstrom. Until or unless his play deteriorates. Koekkoek has more pro experience than Jokiharju and Forsling. He has looked better after his initial game. He actually had some checks/hits. Oh my! Play him

Forsling conditioning may come around but he is just not likely in game shape. He appears somewhat willing to engage physically but when he plays little or protected TOI you do not get to see his vg shot. Switch him and Carlsson for ten or more gp. Both could stand the opportunity to gain confidance; Carlsson if not rushing him too soon - and Forsling need establish themself at a different playing level right now.

Jokijarju is being jerked like a yo yo and should play regular minutes at his age in Rockford. He has not been lightning in a bottle and like Forsling NHL protected minutes does not serve his advancement to be the player his draft analysis explains.

It may be too early and it would prove difficult to insert other dmen prospects at Röckford. It is enough this.season those i mentioned. However, if Mitchell wants to turn pro i would agree to give him a few games at the end of the season.

Me too! But you have to give up to get some.. Oh heck, I would remove Koekkoek and add Gustafsson instead to make it happen if necessary?
- MjulQvist

Oh I'm with you. I included Beaudin in a couple of scenarios but could easily be Mitchell too. There will be a time whem some of these defencemen get moved.

Stephens, Katchouk, Callahan, 3rd

for

Forsling, Hayden

Gives TB space for a deadline pickup. Callahan expires end of the year

I would like to see the Hawks go the route of taking on bad expiring contracts, draft picks and a grade A pipeline prospect, i don't want the Hawks to go for anyone who is older than 27, 28 years old on a fat or about to receive a fat contract since we are 2 to 4 years away. We are 4 top 4 dmen away from competing for the SC.
- BetweenTheDots

Agree with everything. The only thing is if Keith's minutes are regulated and he isn't on the powerplay he can still be in that top four, but his window is closing fast.

I would like to see the Hawks go the route of taking on bad expiring contracts, draft picks and a grade A pipeline prospect, i don't want the Hawks to go for anyone who is older than 27, 28 years old on a fat or about to receive a fat contract since we are 2 to 4 years away. We are 4 top 4 dmen away from competing for the SC.
- BetweenTheDots

This is the first time I saw anyone propose this other than myself. Indeed the Hawks are a good bit away from being a true contender while they wait for their Bovquist's and Mitchell's to develop, or bust, and find/draft a couple top 6 guys, why not become a CAR or AZ and throw a drowning man (GM in cap hell) a boulder for his 1st and/or top prospect to take on some bad money? ....... Stan has a helluva lot of experience as the drowning man, he may excel being on the other end.

Only problem with this approach is they are closer and closer to losing Toews' and Kane's productive yrs.

Agree with everything. The only thing is if Keith's minutes are regulated and he isn't on the powerplay he can still be in that top four, but his window is closing fast.
- paulr

And as a smallish guy with a couple million miles on him when he starts to slide his production will probably nosedive. ........ If the Hawks ever get any value from Keith it will probably have to be at this TDL or offseason.

This is the first time I saw anyone propose this other than myself. Indeed the Hawks are a good bit away from being a true contender while they wait for their Bovquist's and Mitchell's to develop, or bust, and find/draft a couple top 6 guys, why not become a CAR or AZ and throw a drowning man (GM in cap hell) a boulder for his 1st and/or top prospect to take on some bad money? ....... Stan has a helluva lot of experience as the drowning man, he may excel being on the other end.

Only problem with this approach is they are closer and closer to losing Toews' and Kane's productive yrs.
- Mr Ricochet

The Hawks were shown no mercy when they were in cap hell, I'm looking forward to them getting revenge. The best part is seeing so many teams on the brink of having cap issues and the best thing is some of them aren't even close to being contenders.

Another variable in any trades that could work in the Hawks' favor is the expansion draft coming as teams try and set up their rosters to not expose players they don't wanna lose for nothing. Some I'm guessing are in a pickle that way and might be willing to take less for a player now than nothing in the expansion draft or even when that time comes.

Justin, a look at the Hawks organIzational pipeline and roster as it relates to the expansion draft might be a good topic for a blog.

Stephens, Katchouk, Callahan, 3rd

for

Forsling, Hayden

Gives TB space for a deadline pickup. Callahan expires end of the year
- ikeane

I would do this trade in a heartbeat. I doubt TB will give up Katchouk, but I would love to see him in a Hawks uniform. He was a hell of a player in the OHL. He has great hands, a amazing shot, and loves going into the dirty areas.

And as a smallish guy with a couple million miles on him when he starts to slide his production will probably nosedive. ........ If the Hawks ever get any value from Keith it will probably have to be at this TDL or offseason.
- Mr Ricochet

Don't get me wrong, I think for the future of the team moving Keith makes allot of sense as I think trading him can bring back some good prospect(s). That said as a Hawk fan it will be sad to see the guys who brought us such a great decade of hockey not end their career in the Indian head sweater.

Me too! But you have to give up to get some.. Oh heck, I would remove Koekkoek and add Gustafsson instead to make it happen if necessary?
- MjulQvist

At least worth considering. Some variation may come out of initial discussion. For all the ideas on this board, this has to be one of the better, sensible suggestions.

The Hawks were shown no mercy when they were in cap hell, I'm looking forward to them getting revenge. The best part is seeing so many teams on the brink of having cap issues and the best thing is some of them aren't even close to being contenders.
- paulr

As they should have been. Man this is a granite solid cap and when you are fortunate to have that leverage as a GM you better wield it to its full potential. That 15 yr old GM in AZ has really built a solid foundation with that leverage he had. ...... As you mention it's Stan's turn and couldn't come at a better time now at the TDL and in the near future with the expansion draft coming and clubs like TOR and TB looking at cap problems.

It's a damn near conundrum. Loaded with D prospects, near zero offensive ones, some cap space, probably need a #1 goalie, Crow's 6 mil hit off the books after next yr, Seabs a probably buyout, Kane and Toews in their 30's, Gus and Keith probably brings back the most value......... IMO the most important thing ahead is honestly evaluating your own players. From there they can proceed in developing then executing a plan.

Don't get me wrong, I think for the future of the team moving Keith makes allot of sense as I think trading him can bring back some good prospect(s). That said as a Hawk fan it will be sad to see the guys who brought us such a great decade of hockey not end their career in the Indian head sweater.
- paulr

Sentimental nonsense! Keith needs to be moved yesterday for a 3rd and a box of tape to make room for Boqvist or Beaudin to slot in next year.

The Hawks were shown no mercy when they were in cap hell, I'm looking forward to them getting revenge. The best part is seeing so many teams on the brink of having cap issues and the best thing is some of them aren't even close to being contenders.
- paulr

The projected cap for next season is $83MM, up from $79.5MM. Since the RFAs expire in separate years for a lot of these teams, I don’t think anyone huge is going to be let go. I don’t think it’ll be like when the Hawks let go of Buff. Winnipeg has moveable contracts in Little, Perreault, Kulikov and letting Myers expire. As someone mentioned, the Bolts can move Callahan but they can also move Palat or Tyler Johnson and their RFAs are really tiered. Maybe later when they re-sign Vas then they finally have to walk away from one stud or Killorn, but even then they’re all signed on great deals and will likely bring in large returns. The big prize coming out of TO will be them letting Gardiner walk for nothing. That’s going to be a good get for some lucky team.

I made a proposal for Florida to go after Hamilton earlier but heck, this isn’t their year so maybe they just wait and throw money at Gardiner. We’ll see - should be a heck of a TDL for once and one hell of a draft/offseason

Don't get me wrong, I think for the future of the team moving Keith makes allot of sense as I think trading him can bring back some good prospect(s). That said as a Hawk fan it will be sad to see the guys who brought us such a great decade of hockey not end their career in the Indian head sweater.
- paulr

For sure, but we need Stan to be 100% emotionless. He sure wasn't when he handed out that contract to Seabs and IMO to Kane and Towes.

For me losing Hammer was damn hard and still is. A true blood and guts guy who took less to stay a Hawk.

As they should have been. Man this is a granite solid cap and when you are fortunate to have that leverage as a GM you better wield it to its full potential. That 15 yr old GM in AZ has really built a solid foundation with that leverage he had. ...... As you mention it's Stan's turn and couldn't come at a better time now at the TDL and in the near future with the expansion draft coming and clubs like TOR and TB looking at cap problems.

It's a damn near conundrum. Loaded with D prospects, near zero offensive ones, some cap space, probably need a #1 goalie, Crow's 6 mil hit off the books after next yr, Seabs a probably buyout, Kane and Toews in their 30's, Gus and Keith probably brings back the most value......... IMO the most important thing ahead is honestly evaluating your own players. From there they can proceed in developing then executing a plan.
- Mr Ricochet

Agree it’s your post above too. Whatever the Hawks try to bring back in trade, should potentially bring back picks and high end prospects...more kicks at the can.

Also think if they did try to sell high on Gus he would bring back better than a third.

Don't get me wrong, I think for the future of the team moving Keith makes allot of sense as I think trading him can bring back some good prospect(s). That said as a Hawk fan it will be sad to see the guys who brought us such a great decade of hockey not end their career in the Indian head sweater.
- paulr

Just a personal opinion, but as long as Toews and Kane are here and they try to avoid a full on rebuild I don’t see Keith going anywhere. I think he’s one of those guys who just plays out his career much like Lidstrom. I’m not saying he would, but sometimes these guys threaten retirement when trade rumors come up. That’s what the Patriots are seeing with Gronk and that’s the rumor with Jeff Carter out of LA right now

everyone is grossly over valuing Saad....

For sure, but we need Stan to be 100% emotionless. He sure wasn't when he handed out that contract to Seabs and IMO to Kane and Towes.

For me losing Hammer was damn hard and still is. A true blood and guts guy who took less to stay a Hawk.
- Mr Ricochet

He had a rough start here in the Desert but has really settled in nicely. There are a ton of Chicago fans in the Phoenix area and they get a really good showing whenever the Hawks come to town. He’s appreciated here

everyone is grossly over valuing Saad....
- hales_atin

I agree. Having said that, some GM might do the same. After all, he was traded one for one for Panarin. Seems like we’ve see his general ceiling of ~50 points even playing with top line talent

The projected cap for next season is $83MM, up from $79.5MM. Since the RFAs expire in separate years for a lot of these teams, I don’t think anyone huge is going to be let go. I don’t think it’ll be like when the Hawks let go of Buff. Winnipeg has moveable contracts in Little, Perreault, Kulikov and letting Myers expire. As someone mentioned, the Bolts can move Callahan but they can also move Palat or Tyler Johnson and their RFAs are really tiered. Maybe later when they re-sign Vas then they finally have to walk away from one stud or Killorn, but even then they’re all signed on great deals and will likely bring in large returns. The big prize coming out of TO will be them letting Gardiner walk for nothing. That’s going to be a good get for some lucky team.

I made a proposal for Florida to go after Hamilton earlier but heck, this isn’t their year so maybe they just wait and throw money at Gardiner. We’ll see - should be a heck of a TDL for once and one hell of a draft/offseason
- WSCTeton17

Kucherov goes from 4.7 to 9.5 and Gourde from 1 to 5.1 mil next yr but they can lose 11 mil in Girardi, Stralman, Coburn next yr if they choose. This while they have 4 mil in space right now............. Stevie Y orchestrated their cap like a meastro.

Just looking at Cap Friendly and man is Toronto in trouble with the cap space they have and having to sign Marner, Mathews, Kapenen, Johansson, a couple more forwards, 5 defenseman, and a backup goalie. They have about 35M to sign these players.

Business could be open in Toronto for the taking. I wish there was a way to get Kadri to the Hawks. There is a very strong 3rd line centre and he is signed for another 3 years at 4.5M.

I doubt Toronto would deal him this year, but something has to give in the off season.

Agree with everything. The only thing is if Keith's minutes are regulated and he isn't on the powerplay he can still be in that top four, but his window is closing fast.
- paulr

I agree with Keith, but I'm thinking 2 to 3 years from now, and Keith doesn't have much thread left on his tires, and i don't agree with trading him, i believe if things work out and we have a bunch of developing top 4dmen imho it's important to have that vet who can be a coach on the ice as well, so i would like to see him become that 5th or 6th veteran dman playing 12 to 15 minutes a night with a winning pedigree.

To Ricochet it's unfortunate about Toews and Kane but it is what it is, you can't force a SC team, it's like anything else in life, you have to nurture and grow it, forcing it or band aiding one together never works.