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paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Jan 27 @ 5:58 PM ET
Common knowledge - Dubas will take nothing less than Doughty, Ekblad or Carlson for the great Naz.
- RickJ

Why on earth woukld anyone think a rebuilding club would want a 28 year old guy who shows flashes of being a productive player then goes into a slump then does something stupid and gets suspended?
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Jan 27 @ 6:00 PM ET
Kadri was mentioned a month or so ago about Toronto players willing to trade.
- Taylorst1

What publication? A real one or one Taylor conjured up?
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Jan 27 @ 6:01 PM ET
Here’s a fun trade proposal I just thought of and I’ve already ran it on Capfriendly so I know it works.

Tampa sends Callahan and Miller (no money retained) to Dallas for Janmark and Ritchie. 2 for 2 swap but obviously Tampa clears like $7MM in the swing and they get good, young competitive depth players.

Dallas DESPERATELY needs a 2C to stay competitive. Adding Callahan doesn’t hurt either because their depth really isn’t that great but he’s gritty and defensive so he fits right in, really. Dallas still has a ton of room to re-sign their RFAs and can offer Gardiner $6-6.5MM for 5-6 years and Pirri/Panik 2.5-3MM as a winger for Miller to play with. Dallas would still have a few million in cap space with the following roster

Benn-Seguin-Radulov
Cogs-Miller-Pirri
Pitlick-Faksa-Callahan
Comeau-Richardinson-Nichushkin
Heiskanen, Klingberg, Honka, Gardiner, Johns, Lindell
Bishop and Khudobin

Not bad eh?

- WSCTeton17


Yawn. If you haven't done so yet, maybe you should post this on the Stars and Lightning blogs. Maybe their fans would be more interested.
scottak
Location: I am serious. And don't call me Shirley!
Joined: 08.06.2010

Jan 27 @ 6:01 PM ET
Correct me if I’m wrong: SCF and HDSF are offensive stats and higher numbers are good. So this says that Hjalmarsson is a better offensive player. What about the defensive side of things?

Honestly, I’m not a huge fan of using these sites but I enjoy when others do. It adds a ton of context

- WSCTeton17

Corsi (statistic) Corsi is an advanced statistic used in the National Hockey League to measure shot attempt differential while at even strength play. This includes shots on goal, missed shots on goal, and blocked shot attempts towards the opposition's net minus the same shot attempts directed at your own team's net.
Hawkster
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Quebec , QC
Joined: 06.13.2008

Jan 27 @ 6:06 PM ET
I just find it odd that there is not more rumours about the Hawks making moves. Very quiet. Justin, I read your proposal, interesting. Whats your gut feeling on how this team will move forward. Will they keep the core until the very end or do you feel a shift on moving core? Or might they be buyers?
TrueGrit
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: FL
Joined: 07.19.2011

Jan 27 @ 6:08 PM ET
Rattled.You're making less sense than usual.
- Elbows15


Its the math thing again huh?

I should have made it a little easier. Noted for next time.
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Jan 27 @ 6:12 PM ET
I just find it odd that there is not more rumours about the Hawks making moves. Very quiet. Justin, I read your proposal, interesting. Whats your gut feeling on how this team will move forward. Will they keep the core until the very end or do you feel a shift on moving core? Or might they be buyers?
- Hawkster

Justin is a blogger who writes up some interesting analysis and makes personal observations, he doesn't make up Bullpoop rumours to generate hits. The Blackhawks have always been a team who have managed to prevent leaks. There are lots of other bloggers willing to make up rumours to generate web hits.
Taylorst1
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 07.09.2018

Jan 27 @ 6:17 PM ET
What publication? A real one or one Taylor conjured up?
- paulr



Oh you got me I pulled it outta my bunghole yes a real publicati4on my nhl trade rumors .



william-nylander-jake-gardiner-nazem-kadri/2019/01/22/
Taylorst1
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 07.09.2018

Jan 27 @ 6:21 PM ET
Justin is a blogger who writes up some interesting analysis and makes personal observations, he doesn't make up Bullpoop rumours to generate hits. The Blackhawks have always been a team who have managed to prevent leaks. There are lots of other bloggers willing to make up rumours to generate web hits.
- paulr



That's a fair assessment. However every now and then things are leaked / floated out their.

Hawkster
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Quebec , QC
Joined: 06.13.2008

Jan 27 @ 6:23 PM ET
Justin is a blogger who writes up some interesting analysis and makes personal observations, he doesn't make up Bullpoop rumours to generate hits. The Blackhawks have always been a team who have managed to prevent leaks. There are lots of other bloggers willing to make up rumours to generate web hits.
- paulr


Was wondering about how he saw things happening.

I know he does not float fake rumours.
RickJ
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Burlington, ON
Joined: 01.12.2010

Jan 27 @ 6:41 PM ET
Should get a big haul for Zaitsev also.
- scott.jackson

For sure, Babcock probably has told Dubas to dump Z and get him a Dylan Larkin or Horvat.

And it was Babcock who decided to turn Zaitsev into a shot blocking Dman right after he had a good first season as an point producing blue liner. A lot of pressure on Babs to win in the playoffs this year - he hasn't won a series in a long time.
Taylorst1
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 07.09.2018

Jan 27 @ 6:46 PM ET
For sure, Babcock probably has told Dubas to dump Z and get him a Dylan Larkin or Horvat.

And it was Babcock who decided to turn Zaitsev into a shot blocking Dman right after he had a good first season as an point producing blue liner. A lot of pressure on Babs to win in the playoffs this year - he hasn't won a series in a long time.

- RickJ




From everything I've read lately about Toronto it sounds like they have some doubts and want to bring in some talent but aren't really sure what to do? I think its their future contracts . They are finally realizing their screwed next year.
RickJ
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Burlington, ON
Joined: 01.12.2010

Jan 27 @ 6:54 PM ET
From everything I've read lately about Toronto it sounds like they have some doubts and want to bring in some talent but aren't really sure what to do? I think its their future contracts . They are finally realizing their screwed next year.
- Taylorst1

Bowman would like to have Toronto's problems. They have some salary issues to deal with but that can be fixed by dumping Jake Gardiner and maybe Nylander in the off-season. They have young kids in the minors who will be ready to make the jump soon. The biggest need is to add defenceman with experience who can perform in the playoffs at a high level.
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Jan 27 @ 7:33 PM ET
Bowman would like to have Toronto's problems. They have some salary issues to deal with but that can be fixed by dumping Jake Gardiner and maybe Nylander in the off-season. They have young kids in the minors who will be ready to make the jump soon. The biggest need is to add defenceman with experience who can perform in the playoffs at a high level.
- RickJ

TBF, Bowman has had Dubas' problem. Won two Cups after dealing with it.

Tyler Cameron
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 10.31.2017

Jan 27 @ 7:40 PM ET
Ty, do you see Saad as a fit with the Bruins?
If so, what piece or pieces would you like in return?

- scott.jackson


I could see him as a fit in BOS, yes. They could use some experienced depth up front for the playoffs. They need more than just 1 line.

I will say though, I'm only trading Saad though if it makes sense. He is still young and has a lot to offer the Hawks still.

If it's me trading Saad, I'm getting a top 4 D for him. The most realistic one might be Brandon Carlo and he's a RHD so not sire if I love that.

Maybe John Moore or Matt Grzelcyk make sense if the Hawks like one of those players and envision them as a top 4.

BOS probably doesn't want to give up a D heading into a playoff run though unless they are getting one back, so the Hawks need to give there I would think.

I'll get creative here... a couple scenarios with BOS could be:

* Saad, Gustafsson and Kruger for Brandon Carlo, Jason Studnicka, 3rd rounder

* Saad and Forsling for Grzelcyk, Forsbacka-Karlsson, 2nd rounder


... don't know... spitballing with that. Saad might be a better fit elsewhere.

Like I said I would prefer a top 4 D in return if Saad is going somewhere.
scott.jackson
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Georgian Bluffs, ON
Joined: 06.24.2014

Jan 27 @ 8:06 PM ET
I could see him as a fit in BOS, yes. They could use some experienced depth up front for the playoffs. They need more than just 1 line.

I will say though, I'm only trading Saad though if it makes sense. He is still young and has a lot to offer the Hawks still.

If it's me trading Saad, I'm getting a top 4 D for him. The most realistic one might be Brandon Carlo and he's a RHD so not sire if I love that.

Maybe John Moore or Matt Grzelcyk make sense if the Hawks like one of those players and envision them as a top 4.

BOS probably doesn't want to give up a D heading into a playoff run though unless they are getting one back, so the Hawks need to give there I would think.

I'll get creative here... a couple scenarios with BOS could be:

* Saad, Gustafsson and Kruger for Brandon Carlo, Jason Studnicka, 3rd rounder

* Saad and Forsling for Grzelcyk, Forsbacka-Karlsson, 2nd rounder


... don't know... spitballing with that. Saad might be a better fit elsewhere.

Like I said I would prefer a top 4 D in return if Saad is going somewhere.

- Justin Lowe


Makes sense.

If they are looking to deal Saad maybe they could make something work with Edmonton.

How about Saad, Gus, Forsling for Nurse, Reider, and a 3rd?
RickJ
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Burlington, ON
Joined: 01.12.2010

Jan 27 @ 8:23 PM ET
TBF, Bowman has had Dubas' problem. Won two Cups after dealing with it.
- Elbows15

That's why I said he would like to have Toronto's problem. What Dubas needs to do is find himself a Johnny Oduya and a very good special teams forward.
Scott1977
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Yorkville, IL
Joined: 08.30.2012

Jan 27 @ 8:25 PM ET
I could see him as a fit in BOS, yes. They could use some experienced depth up front for the playoffs. They need more than just 1 line.

I will say though, I'm only trading Saad though if it makes sense. He is still young and has a lot to offer the Hawks still.

If it's me trading Saad, I'm getting a top 4 D for him. The most realistic one might be Brandon Carlo and he's a RHD so not sire if I love that.

Maybe John Moore or Matt Grzelcyk make sense if the Hawks like one of those players and envision them as a top 4.

BOS probably doesn't want to give up a D heading into a playoff run though unless they are getting one back, so the Hawks need to give there I would think.

I'll get creative here... a couple scenarios with BOS could be:

* Saad, Gustafsson and Kruger for Brandon Carlo, Jason Studnicka, 3rd rounder

* Saad and Forsling for Grzelcyk, Forsbacka-Karlsson, 2nd rounder


... don't know... spitballing with that. Saad might be a better fit elsewhere.

Like I said I would prefer a top 4 D in return if Saad is going somewhere.

- Justin Lowe

Boston not giving up defensive going into a playoff run no projected playoff team is if anything they be adding defense. Maybe buffalo or carolina one other if they think they can make the playoffs is islanders.
333inthe3rd
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 02.04.2015

Jan 27 @ 8:27 PM ET
You may recall coach Q storming out of a meeting when the trade happened. He was blindsided from it. We all knew why the trade was made, its just like they said it was a cap move. They also felt Saad would revive Toews and that Kane would produce with anybody. I think just about anyone can be traded and it can work out (see the Karlsson trade) my problem was with the return. Ottawa giving up their 1st rounder in that Duchene deal was HUGE. The original Kessel trade, wow did the Bruins ever collect on that (and then Chiarelli botched the Seguin trade). Then you have Panarin, a bonafide superstar and you get a much worse player, at a similar cap hit, and you don’t even knock the futures out of the park. It was obvious that he was targeting Saad but the return was paltry
- WSCTeton17

I thought that Q stormed out after the Hjalmarsson trade in particular. There have been a few stories bandied about on here as to why Panarin was dealt. The cost control reason does not seem to have a logical basis to it. One would have to believe that Saad was fair value at 6 mill to begin with. I don't remember anybody thinking he was worth it at the time he signed the deal in Columbus.
RickJ
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Burlington, ON
Joined: 01.12.2010

Jan 27 @ 8:34 PM ET
I thought that Q stormed out after the Hjalmarsson trade in particular. There have been a few stories bandied about on here as to why Panarin was dealt. The cost control reason does not seem to have a logical basis to it. One would have to believe that Saad was fair value at 6 mill to begin with. I don't remember anybody thinking he was worth it at the time he signed the deal in Columbus.
- 333inthe3rd

The Panarin trade was made after they were swept by the Predators and he wore out the ass of his hockey pants from rubbing them on the boards and did nothing else in that series. Regular season superstar, packs the equipment away after that when the pay cheques stop.
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Jan 27 @ 8:44 PM ET
That's why I said he would like to have Toronto's problem. What Dubas needs to do is find himself a Johnny Oduya and a very good special teams forward.
- RickJ

I'd argue they need more than a Johnny Oduya type. Their defense is very poor defensively and they are vulnerable to an aggresive forecheck.
holyJumpin_NL
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 10.29.2018

Jan 27 @ 8:55 PM ET
Many times people here GROSSLY overestimate the value of our assets in trades. Read on Sportsnet.ca that in a NHL reporters opinion that Hawks might have to retain salary to move even Saad; that isindeed depressing. ofthat is case, I hope we keep him
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Jan 27 @ 9:05 PM ET
The Panarin trade was made after they were swept by the Predators and he wore out the ass of his hockey pants from rubbing them on the boards and did nothing else in that series. Regular season superstar, packs the equipment away after that when the pay cheques stop.
- RickJ

I'm curious to see if Matthews can up his game in the playoffs or be a regular season superstar playoff bum like Panarin. Last year in the playoffs Matthews looked very ordinary. If he doesn't pick it up he won't be worth the huge contract he wants
EbonyRaptor
Joined: 03.28.2013

Jan 27 @ 9:25 PM ET
The Panarin trade was made after they were swept by the Predators and he wore out the ass of his hockey pants from rubbing them on the boards and did nothing else in that series. Regular season superstar, packs the equipment away after that when the pay cheques stop.
- RickJ


This notion that Panarin doesn't deliver in the playoffs based on the series against the Preds is nonsense. The Preds blew out the Hawks in 4 straight with the Hawks scoring a grand total of 3 goals in the 4 games. If that series defines Panarin as a post season failure than so is Kane and Toews and everyone else who got humiliated in the series. In the previous season playoffs Panarin tied with Kane for the scoring lead with 7 points in the 7-game loss.
Savard2Secord
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Round Lake, IL
Joined: 12.12.2016

Jan 27 @ 9:42 PM ET
* CHICAGO BLACKHAWKS acquire: Wayne Simmonds and Scott Laughton from PHILADELPHIA FLYERS for Duncan Keith, John Hayden and Nicolas Beaudin


C'mon dude..... And you write a Blackhawks blog and you post this nonsense?

Believe me I would love Simmonds on the Hawks, however he's a UFA this summer - why would Bowman trade that package for a pending UFA?? makes ZERO sense... Especially when you include Beaudin..... I could see Keith and Hayden for Simmonds, but the rest makes no sense at all...

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