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BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Jan 27 @ 3:11 AM ET
Except that sports evolve. Something happening in the past is not indicative at all of how things may happen in the future. Forever we didn’t have term limits on contracts and now we do. Until not all that incredibly long ago there were no compliance buyouts and then as you said, there were. Things change and evolve. I have not heard or read from any analysts from NHL, NBCSN, TSN, Sportsnet, or anywhere else about more compliance buyouts in the future. I’ve only ever read it on speculation sites such as this
- WSCTeton17


All I'll say is with a hard cap there is no evolution. No way around it, but I'll be interested in seeing how things shake out.
WSCTeton17
Joined: 07.29.2013

Jan 27 @ 3:43 AM ET
All I'll say is with a hard cap there is no evolution. No way around it, but I'll be interested in seeing how things shake out.
- BetweenTheDots

I have to disagree. We have a hard cap and now we have limits on the length of contracts and there are limits on how much you can pay a player. Teams have learned not to hand out NTCs all over the place. They made the nets smaller. We have video review. There are cameras at the blue lines now for offsides. They’re working on puck and player tracking. They’re looking into smaller goalie pads (the new gloves look funny, it’s unnecessary imo). And now they’re talking about teams looking to give young studs coming out of their ELCs 5-6 year deals (like Tavares signed back in the day) instead of 8-year deals for big money. There’s evolution everywhere whether it’s with the play on the ice, management, team construction. There might even be more buyouts, but I don’t see it. I think the Oilers are stuck with Lucic unless they want to pay a team to take him on or work it into their structure somehow

Honestly, the Oilers can make it work too. They need an experienced backup on the cheap, like McElhinney. They need to spread their scoring out as well. Maroon was a good fit before, no reason to think he won’t be good with McDavid again. Chiasson has been an ok fit. Panik seems like a similar player that has experience playing with high end talent. I think a player like MoJo would be a great player for the Oilers to take a flyer on in the offseason (or even this year with salary retained or if they’ll take back Spooner and maybe a 2nd rounder). The options are there but they’d need to get lucky and creative
Taylorst1
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 07.09.2018

Jan 27 @ 4:40 AM ET
Just like to see the hard cap loosen up tiny bit keep a hard cap parody for the league is good but the nhl needs to do better job at advertising the marketing the league and its players to get more exposure.
- Scott1977




I agree completely with your point. The salary cap and the players salaries do not balance out and IMO your starting to see a watered down league full of players called up to early which hurts their growth and future potential , all because teams are paying 4 to 8 players a salary of 6 to 11 million and having to surround them with to many entry level contracts or guys who should be playing in the beer league.
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Jan 27 @ 6:17 AM ET
Some guy wanted an example of when a team getting rid of cap won the trade: 6/30/13 the Hawks sent Bolland to Toronto for a 2nd and two 4ths. Bolland is obviously done now. Same day you sent Frolik to WPG for a 3rd and a 5th, that 3rd was John Hayden which someone was raving about earlier. Sure, Frolik has had some decent seasons but he’s done nothing in the playoffs since he’s left and he’s in the doghouse in Calgary rn.

I also mentioned earlier that you shipped the rights to Brouwer to the Caps and selected Danault. It’s not my fault you later traded Danault, who’s on pace for over 40 points once again. The Versteeg trade wasn’t a total bust. The Andrew Ladd trade looked fine. You traded the pick after you won the cup - that pick ended up being Brock Nelson. You drafted Kevin Hayes from the Byfuglien trade, again not my fault you traded him later.

The Hawks acquired a lot of picks and young, somewhat highly touted prospects from dealing their players. It just so happened that Stan Bowman and Co. had a hand in picking those players and so many of them didn’t pan out. That has nothing to do with these other teams and other GMs

- WSCTeton17


The Hawks didn't trade Hayes. He finished college, declined to sign with the Hawks became an FA and signed with the NYR instead.
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Jan 27 @ 9:36 AM ET
The Hawks didn't trade Hayes. He finished college, declined to sign with the Hawks became an FA and signed with the NYR instead.
- HawkintheD

That's because they treated his brother and Wayne Pirri poorly ..... stupid Stan!
Scott1977
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Yorkville, IL
Joined: 08.30.2012

Jan 27 @ 10:07 AM ET
IMO I would expect a trade before Friday against buffalo including a defense man being traded. Whether its big or small idk. Justin anything in regards to a possible trade coming soon?
Taylorst1
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 07.09.2018

Jan 27 @ 10:31 AM ET
That's because they treated his brother and Wayne Pirri poorly ..... stupid Stan!
- paulr



I think it's fair to say his brothers should have never been playing in the nhl and Stan made a decsion to cut ties with them and I do recall Hayes had a attitude problem thinking he deserved to be guaranteed a spot in the lineup.

Either way that was really no big loss for Chicago. Sometimes players with attitudes or expectations don't make for sound chemistry.

Taylorst1
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 07.09.2018

Jan 27 @ 10:40 AM ET
IMO I would expect a trade before Friday against buffalo including a defense man being traded. Whether its big or small idk. Justin anything in regards to a possible trade coming soon?
- Scott1977



Stan has 4 weeks left to clean house and get as much cap space, prospects, picks and any key players for the future

I kinda have a feeling Stans moves will end up being small.
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Jan 27 @ 10:44 AM ET
Stan has 4 weeks left to clean house and get as much cap space, prospects, picks and any key players for the future

I kinda have a feeling Stans moves will end up being small.

- Taylorst1


I’ve conservatively estimated Bowman will need to trade at least 6 players at the TDL.

Anything less will be another EPIC FAIL by Stanblow.
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Jan 27 @ 10:50 AM ET
I’ve conservatively estimated Bowman will need to trade at least 6 players at the TDL.

Anything less will be another EPIC FAIL by Stanblow.

- HawkintheD

6 will only get things started. I'm thinking 10 or 11 trades but 26 woukd be nice.
Taylorst1
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 07.09.2018

Jan 27 @ 10:54 AM ET
I’ve conservatively estimated Bowman will need to trade at least 6 players at the TDL.

Anything less will be another EPIC FAIL by Stanblow.

- HawkintheD


That sounds about right. I agree 100% Stan really needs to move either Keith, Seabrook, Saad, anismov in some big move to show he wants change.

I know some people want to keep saad and I hear their point. However saad is to streaky and right now Chicago needs to turn things around by getting solid NHL ready prospects depth.
scott.jackson
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Georgian Bluffs, ON
Joined: 06.24.2014

Jan 27 @ 10:55 AM ET
6 will only get things started. I'm thinking 10 or 11 trades but 26 woukd be nice.
- paulr


Maybe Stan can get Zaitsev but only if Dubas throws in Hyman and Brown in the deal.

That's some good bottom 6 talent. This will then allow Toronto to sign everybody have have an 8 year dynasty.
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Jan 27 @ 10:56 AM ET
That sounds about right. I agree 100% Stan really needs to move either Keith, Seabrook, Saad, anismov in some big move to show he wants change.

I know some people want to keep saad and I hear their point. However saad is to streaky and right now Chicago needs to turn things around by getting solid NHL ready prospects depth.

- Taylorst1

You think only 6? I think most of the roster and some bums in Rockford too.
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Jan 27 @ 10:56 AM ET
Maybe Stan can get Zaitsev but only if Dubas throws in Hyman and Brown in the deal.

That's some good bottom 6 talent. This will then allow Toronto to sign everybody have have an 8 year dynasty.

- scott.jackson



I don't wish to see this!
scott.jackson
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Georgian Bluffs, ON
Joined: 06.24.2014

Jan 27 @ 11:00 AM ET
I don't wish to see this!
- paulr


Lol
Taylorst1
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 07.09.2018

Jan 27 @ 11:01 AM ET
You think only 6? I think most of the roster and some bums in Rockford too.
- paulr



6 would be a good start and I wouldn't disagree with your point


It would be nice to see Keith going to Toronto for kadri.

And forsling to Colorado for Nikita Zadorov

as a start
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Jan 27 @ 11:03 AM ET
6 would be a good start and I wouldn't disagree with your point


It would be nice to see Keith going to Toronto for kadri.

And forsling to Colorado for Nikita Zadorov

as a start

- Taylorst1

2 trades is hardly "housecleaning", think big man! We need lots and lots of trades!
Taylorst1
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 07.09.2018

Jan 27 @ 11:05 AM ET
2 trades is hardly "housecleaning", think big man! We need lots and lots of trades!
- paulr



Lol I'm just mentioning a couple of moves that I'd like to see happen the more the merrier as long as their solid good trades
Scott1977
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Yorkville, IL
Joined: 08.30.2012

Jan 27 @ 11:12 AM ET
Stan has 4 weeks left to clean house and get as much cap space, prospects, picks and any key players for the future

I kinda have a feeling Stans moves will end up being small.

- Taylorst1

Agree what was the last big trade bowman has made as been good. Not every gm is perfect and more often than not gm fail more than they succeed.
Tyler Cameron
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 10.31.2017

Jan 27 @ 11:44 AM ET
IMO I would expect a trade before Friday against buffalo including a defense man being traded. Whether its big or small idk. Justin anything in regards to a possible trade coming soon?
- Scott1977


Haven't heard anything. I would suspect Bowman had quite a few chats this weekend though.

Forsling appears ready really soon so this week could see a trade.
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Jan 27 @ 11:45 AM ET
Agree what was the last big trade bowman has made as been good. Not every gm is perfect and more often than not gm fail more than they succeed.
- Scott1977


Hammer for Murphy. Sorry it just is. For all the guff Bowman gets here for not pulling the trigger at the right time, or waiting too long to give players over to the glue factory, time has so far proven this to be a decent deal.

Strome and Perlini for Schmaltz. Most people seem to think he got this one right and I would agree.
scott.jackson
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Georgian Bluffs, ON
Joined: 06.24.2014

Jan 27 @ 11:47 AM ET
Haven't heard anything. I would suspect Bowman had quite a few chats this weekend though.

Forsling appears ready really soon so this week could see a trade.

- Justin Lowe


Ty, do you see Saad as a fit with the Bruins?
If so, what piece or pieces would you like in return?
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Jan 27 @ 11:54 AM ET
Hammer for Murphy. Sorry it just is. For all the guff Bowman gets here for not pulling the trigger at the right time, or waiting too long to give players over to the glue factory, time has so far proven this to be a decent deal.

Strome and Perlini for Schmaltz. Most people seem to think he got this one right and I would agree.

- HawkintheD


Not me!
Scott1977
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Yorkville, IL
Joined: 08.30.2012

Jan 27 @ 12:06 PM ET
6 would be a good start and I wouldn't disagree with your point


It would be nice to see Keith going to Toronto for kadri.

And forsling to Colorado for Nikita Zadorov

as a start

- Taylorst1

Babcock loves kadri. Keith for 1st 3rd Rosen and grunstrom. Forsling or gust and 7th for zadorov
Scott1977
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Yorkville, IL
Joined: 08.30.2012

Jan 27 @ 12:12 PM ET
Hammer for Murphy. Sorry it just is. For all the guff Bowman gets here for not pulling the trigger at the right time, or waiting too long to give players over to the glue factory, time has so far proven this to be a decent deal.

Strome and Perlini for Schmaltz. Most people seem to think he got this one right and I would agree.

- HawkintheD

Agree on smaltz trade strome looks like a keeper Perlini book still out on him. Bowman needs to think big though keith and saad only 2 pieces could get a big return. What contending teams need a power forward with cup winning experience same with keith. The teams i keep an eye on are Calgary buffalo Toronto Tampa san jose Winnipeg and pitt.
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