Tyler Johnson having a NTC may through a wrench into how easy it will be to move him.

Edit - Same for Killorn. He has a NTC too. Just noticed on cap friendly that Calahan has a modified NTC, NMC.
- boilermaker100

There is that.

Welcome back! Where you been?
- boilermaker100

Thanks boilermaker ,oh no were special .Sometimes good to just read and not reply

I can't take anyone seriously who mentions Pirri as a sought after FA.
- Elbows15

Maybe the Hawks sign him. Third time's the charm.

You aren't getting Zacha for that garbage.
- Elbows15

Lol

Tyler Johnson having a NTC may through a wrench into how easy it will be to move him.

Edit - Same for Killorn. He has a NTC too. Just noticed on cap friendly that Calahan has a modified NTC, NMC.
- boilermaker100

Full NTC for Johnson. Callahan (who is the obvious target when packaged up with futures/prospects) has a 16 team trade list. Killorn’s is full until after next season which is literally perfect timing for a Vasilevskiy extension to kick in. Tampa is in the best spot between them, WPG, and Toronto IMO. Yzerman did an outstanding job constructing this roster. Miller is another moveout candidate. He’s on a 51 point pace which is really good when you consider his ATOI is below 15 minutes a game this season. There’s just not enough ice to go around in Tampa. Tons of teams would jump all over JT in a heartbeat and he doesn’t have trade restrictions

I can't take anyone seriously who mentions Pirri as a sought after FA.
- Elbows15

His career PPG is .47 and he’s never been used as more than a 3rd liner. He’s finally getting a shot in the top 6 and he’s scoring again. With how weak the free agency crop is for mid level scoring you bet your ass he’ll be sought after

You aren't getting Zacha for that garbage.
- Elbows15

Let’s call Zacha what he is: he’s a low-cost, mostly ineffective, high drafted bottom 6 forward that doesn’t really specialize at anything. What evidence do you have otherwise?

Full NTC for Johnson. Callahan (who is the obvious target when packaged up with futures/prospects) has a 16 team trade list. Killorn’s is full until after next season which is literally perfect timing for a Vasilevskiy extension to kick in. Tampa is in the best spot between them, WPG, and Toronto IMO. Yzerman did an outstanding job constructing this roster. Miller is another moveout candidate. He’s on a 51 point pace which is really good when you consider his ATOI is below 15 minutes a game this season. There’s just not enough ice to go around in Tampa. Tons of teams would jump all over JT in a heartbeat and he doesn’t have trade restrictions
- WSCTeton17

Okay. Guess we'll see what shakes out in the upcoming months.

His career PPG is .47 and he’s never been used as more than a 3rd liner. He’s finally getting a shot in the top 6 and he’s scoring again. With how weak the free agency crop is for mid level scoring you bet your ass he’ll be sought after
- WSCTeton17

He has been on the market more than once. He had to sign a PTO to even keep playing hockey. Ever after putting up a 20 goal season. The book is out on him.

Let’s call Zacha what he is: he’s a low-cost, mostly ineffective, high drafted bottom 6 forward that doesn’t really specialize at anything. What evidence do you have otherwise?
- WSCTeton17

So, then, he will be of no help to anyone. Got it

And Zaitsev is an expensive bottom pair D-man. For 5 more years. A late 1st that has a 20% chance of being a NHL player. And Zach Hyman. Who is an expensive bottom 6 player.

Looks like a win for NJ to me.

Full NTC for Johnson. Callahan (who is the obvious target when packaged up with futures/prospects) has a 16 team trade list. Killorn’s is full until after next season which is literally perfect timing for a Vasilevskiy extension to kick in. Tampa is in the best spot between them, WPG, and Toronto IMO. Yzerman did an outstanding job constructing this roster. Miller is another moveout candidate. He’s on a 51 point pace which is really good when you consider his ATOI is below 15 minutes a game this season. There’s just not enough ice to go around in Tampa. Tons of teams would jump all over JT in a heartbeat and he doesn’t have trade restrictions
- WSCTeton17

And after losing all their depth, TB will be a borderline PO team. Cap hell.

Okay. Guess we'll see what shakes out in the upcoming months.
- boilermaker100

Exactly. Cause who really cares about the Jets, Leafs and Lightning around here.

So, then, he will be of no help to anyone. Got it

And Zaitsev is an expensive bottom pair D-man. For 5 more years. A late 1st that has a 20% chance of being a NHL player. And Zach Hyman. Who is an expensive bottom 6 player.

Looks like a win for NJ to me.
- Elbows15

Zach Hyman is on pace for another possible 40 point season, he’s also top 25 in Sellers voting in back to back seasons while still maintaining a physical presence on the ice. He’s also a positive possession player. He’s a bonafide 3rd liner and he gets paid like one. He’s a much better player than Zacha and would be coming over with a decent draft pick along with Zaitsev. I don’t think Toronto would even care if it’s Zacha or a 4th round draft choice that comes back in the deal. I just said Zacha because he’s cost effective and that’s what this whole deal is about, rewarding one team for relieving cap issues from another. Let’s be realistic about what Zaitsev is, he’s an overpaid #4/5 defender who plays a gritty game and had one good offensive season. He’s also only 27, so that doesn’t mean he’ll never produce offense again. His possession stats aren’t great but he also starts more of his shifts in the D zone than the o-zone

Exactly. Cause who really cares about the Jets, Leafs and Lightning around here.
- Elbows15

It sounds like you guys do since a number of these comments are about acquiring one or more of these players. TBH I’m shocked that more people aren’t clamoring “why would we give up assets for studs when we’re the favorite to land Panarin for free?!”

Kane and Toews are only 30. They’re not exactly dinosaurs. You also have Saad and Anisimov locked up for 3 more years at decent cap hits. I hope there’s a lot more to Dylan Strom than what he’s showed so far. Murphy has really rebounded nicely and you have a couple young defenders who may or may not continue to improve as they develop. Delia has looked really solid at times. I don’t think you need to blow it up, I think you just need to bounce back just like how Murphy and Toews are doing. My roommate is a Hawks fan.

How crazy would it be if the Hawks added Panarinand then became the team that revived Zaitsev’s career while taking on a really solid depth player like Hyman who got all we know could develop into a defensive 50-55 point winger if he ever got time with guys like Toews and Saad. Crazier things have happened

It does have to be their own picks. Can't be picks acquire via trade.
- Elbows15

Unless the team reacquires the pick they had previously traded away.

I don't see any reason why this isn't realistic.

https://www.capfriendly.c.../armchair-gm/team/1000193

Maybe the depth cap hits are a bit off but there's plenty of short-term cap space to make adjustments. Personally, I'd like to see the Hawks get away from Caggulia and re-sign Kruger to stay on for another season or 2 as depth. Maybe try and ship him out and Joki - I think a couple seasons of Ben Lovejoy would help. I think he's mostly steady and would be another calming presence on the backend. Like I said, I don't think the window here has closed. Losing Vinnie while ditching the Hossa contract sucked, but he never used that cap space and maybe bringing in Panarin was exactly why

IMO in the next cba talks should be talks of more emphasis on keeping your players that have been drafted and develop and if you drafted by a team you have to play for that team refering to the college and CHL players. Some lee way in the cap rules still have a hard cap but maybe a luxery tax type rule with a predetermined limit.
- Scott1977

I think the owners like the cap the way it is - hard cap, cost certainty....They won’t want to do anything that increase player comp above 50% of HRR.

The players would want to increase that - a softer cap, perhaps - but mostly some way to reduce the escrow give-back. They may try to go after some of Seattle’s $650MM buy-in. But I don’t see them pushing hard on the hard 50% either.

I could be completely wrong - just thinking, not sourcing - but I think there is a quick deal to be made - as long as one or the other (or both) don’t get stupid.

Thanks boilermaker ,oh no were special .Sometimes good to just read and not reply

- oldduffman

I hear ya. You should contribute your ideas about possible Hawk trades. Just don't mention Q. Haha.

I don't see any reason why this isn't realistic.

https://www.capfriendly.c.../armchair-gm/team/1000193

Maybe the depth cap hits are a bit off but there's plenty of short-term cap space to make adjustments. Personally, I'd like to see the Hawks get away from Caggulia and re-sign Kruger to stay on for another season or 2 as depth. Maybe try and ship him out and Joki - I think a couple seasons of Ben Lovejoy would help. I think he's mostly steady and would be another calming presence on the backend. Like I said, I don't think the window here has closed. Losing Vinnie while ditching the Hossa contract sucked, but he never used that cap space and maybe bringing in Panarin was exactly why
- WSCTeton17

Why would the Hawks bring back pretty much the same exact team, aside from Panarin, that is fighting for last place in the league? And have little cap space?

I don't see any reason why this isn't realistic.

https://www.capfriendly.c.../armchair-gm/team/1000193

Maybe the depth cap hits are a bit off but there's plenty of short-term cap space to make adjustments. Personally, I'd like to see the Hawks get away from Caggulia and re-sign Kruger to stay on for another season or 2 as depth. Maybe try and ship him out and Joki - I think a couple seasons of Ben Lovejoy would help. I think he's mostly steady and would be another calming presence on the backend. Like I said, I don't think the window here has closed. Losing Vinnie while ditching the Hossa contract sucked, but he never used that cap space and maybe bringing in Panarin was exactly why
- WSCTeton17

Ship Joki out, you're (frank)ing kidding me! He needs time and yes the window is shut, if you limp along as a franchise then you become what the Red Wings have become. I respect the Red Wings but they tried to band aid that franchise and it cost them dearly. You're kidding your self if you think all these franchises are in the driver's seat when they are pressed against the cap, teams who aren't know this and play hard ball. When has a team pressed against the cap win a trade when they had to ditch salary?

Thinking about this, Caps, Pens and Peg had to trade a solid player, over paid player, in return get a draft pick, Peg really got raked over the coals by the Habs, you're dreaming if this ends well for any cap strapped teams

Why would the Hawks bring back pretty much the same exact team, aside from Panarin, that is fighting for last place in the league? And have little cap space?
- Elbows15

Yeah, but Panarin and Kane will have about 100 points apiece. Also, that goalie lineup has to be reviewed. I wouldn't depend on Crawford for the whole season.

Yeah, but Panarin and Kane will have about 100 points apiece. Also, that goalie lineup has to be reviewed. I wouldn't depend on Crawford for the whole season.
- boilermaker100

I admire the guy's passion for the game. But that team is picking top 5 again

Why would the Hawks bring back pretty much the same exact team, aside from Panarin, that is fighting for last place in the league? And have little cap space?
- Elbows15

The same team? The team has already changed a bunch over the course of season. They brought in Strome, Murphy missed that whole awful start of the season, Crow has been out half the season, oh and by the way you’ve also added a bonafide above PPG superstar. Per capfriendly, even with the inflated salaries I handed out there’s still $5.6MM in cap space and I said I would like to bring in Ben Lovejoy as another defensive defensemen. Most teams are going to look like garbage when you don’t have a starting goalie. Look at Pittsburgh early this season. They didn’t change a ton from last year but they got garbage goaltending early on so yeah, things looked bad. Malkin is still playing terribly and yet the Pens have climbed well into the playoff race. Don’t forget, my roster doesn’t include whoever it is that they draft this year either.

I’m a Strome fan as well. I think a big off season of training and we’ll finally get to see a bit of his ceiling next year

HAWKS should offer sheet Lanie , revenge for them taking the Golden Jet !!!
- oldduffman

Just throwing an idea out there rather matthews

The same team? The team has already changed a bunch over the course of season. They brought in Strome, Murphy missed that whole awful start of the season, Crow has been out half the season, oh and by the way you’ve also added a bonafide above PPG superstar. Per capfriendly, even with the inflated salaries I handed out there’s still $5.6MM in cap space and I said I would like to bring in Ben Lovejoy as another defensive defensemen. Most teams are going to look like garbage when you don’t have a starting goalie. Look at Pittsburgh early this season. They didn’t change a ton from last year but they got garbage goaltending early on so yeah, things looked bad. Malkin is still playing terribly and yet the Pens have climbed well into the playoff race. Don’t forget, my roster doesn’t include whoever it is that they draft this year either.

I’m a Strome fan as well. I think a big off season of training and we’ll finally get to see a bit of his ceiling next year
- WSCTeton17

Strome is the only addition. Koekkoek is a fringe NHL player. Panarin isn't going to make them contenders. Been there, done that. Crawford may be done for all we know. Even if he comes back, its only a matter of time before he out again. Ben Lovejoy? Come on. The guy is 34. He would just be in the way at this point on the Hawks.

The Hawks are rebuilding. They already started.