A bolts fan bringing the leafs, isles, and habs fans together for a nice roasting.
- lonnyBohonos

Well in this case it's just a question of logic.

I can understand a person getting mad about an official's judgement call (ie: penalty) but when it comes to an actual rule of the game, you don't have a leg to stand on.

Bring back the 2 line pass rule.

Bring back the 2 line pass rule.
- BlackhawkMike

ya then we can have reviews on that too!

Bring back the 2 line pass rule.
- BlackhawkMike

Bring back the 2 line pass rule.
- BlackhawkMike

I actually like it the way it is now ... it opens up and makes the game a lot faster.

Defensemen now have to be very good skaters so they can keep up with the opposing forwards.

Again, this dude doesnt watch hockey. If you havent seen a million examples of guys trying to cheat the offside line every single game you dont watch hockey. The game is so much faster and technical than what it used to be and much harder for linesman to make the right call as often. The rule wasnt made because of one goal 10ft offside. That is just the most exaggerated example of the refs making the wromg call. The rule was made because offside goals were being scored too often. Again, if you watched hockey you'd realize how important crossing/defending the other team from crossing the blueline is. Zone entry has become the most difficult thing to do other than score goals, and even that might be easier this year. We want to promote a speed/skill game. Its what is fun to watch. It also makes it very hard to judge when these guys can skate as fast as a pass.
- MMclaughlin88

you sound like a guy that only watches off-sides

Bring back the 2 line pass rule.
- BlackhawkMike

Remove the trapezoids

I actually like it the way it is now ... it opens up and makes the game a lot faster.

Defensemen now have to be very good skaters so they can keep up with the opposing forwards.
- Garfield512

That's how you lose players like John Scott and Hal Gill.

Bring back the 2 line pass rule.
- BlackhawkMike

That rule really destroyed the rythm of the game...

Remove the trapezoids
- WaterBoy

All for this.

That's how you lose players like John Scott and Hal Gill.
- jugkope

Ding Ding Ding ... we have a winner ... a guy who gets it.

Again, this dude doesnt watch hockey. If you havent seen a million examples of guys trying to cheat the offside line every single game you dont watch hockey. The game is so much faster and technical than what it used to be and much harder for linesman to make the right call as often. The rule wasnt made because of one goal 10ft offside. That is just the most exaggerated example of the refs making the wromg call. The rule was made because offside goals were being scored too often. Again, if you watched hockey you'd realize how important crossing/defending the other team from crossing the blueline is. Zone entry has become the most difficult thing to do other than score goals, and even that might be easier this year. We want to promote a speed/skill game. Its what is fun to watch. It also makes it very hard to judge when these guys can skate as fast as a pass.
- MMclaughlin88

just like in Tennis its really hard to see a 200KM serve right every time, I don't see anybody complaining about those replay / challenge, they are actually kinda fun

just like in Tennis its really hard to see a 200KM serve right every time, I don't see anybody complaining about those replay / challenge, they are actually kinda fun
- Xizord

I think the tennis replays are great but they're instant. Adds almost no additional time to the match. Big difference from a 5+ minute video review in hockey.

I think the tennis replays are great but they're instant. Adds almost no additional time to the match. Big difference from a 5+ minute video review in hockey.
- lonnyBohonos

yes, but in hockey you only have 1 per game

Well at least they get the calls right, you say?

Wrong.

Any advantage gained by going offside is lost 30 seconds later.

Except for...ya know...possession in the offensive zone.

just like in Tennis its really hard to see a 200KM serve right every time, I don't see anybody complaining about those replay / challenge, they are actually kinda fun
- Xizord

You make an excellent point (surprising for a Habs fan) about it being fun.

The NHL needs to figure out how to make the presentation of the "evidence" more exciting.

With tennis, they trace the shot, then zoom in and show the mark. It's visually pleasing.

With the NHL, they toggle back and forth on a grainy image.

Computerize it - which would have the added benefit of removing the fans' ability to argue that "it looks onside to me!"

Get 'er done, Gary!

I suspect that fans of any team would be disappointed if the tying goal was disallowed on such a call. But the truth is, the rule is there to eliminate goals scored on offside plays. That's exactly what this call accomplished.
- hscesq

I have no way of proving it, but I swear this is not a team specific thing for me. The NHL wants to get calls right, but thirty seconds later is just dumb. We're at the point where teams employ people to check and tell the coach if he should challange. That kind of takes away the chance they might be wrong (i,e the punishment of a timeout) and we are slowing down the game without adding anything positive.

If the Coyotes score there, we all see a better game. Everyone wins.

But in 100% of the cases, no matter who it goes for or against, I am against video replay especially for micro reviews.

just like in Tennis its really hard to see a 200KM serve right every time, I don't see anybody complaining about those replay / challenge, they are actually kinda fun
- Xizord

The whole point of tennis is to keep it within the lines, that's how the points are earned, so much more goes into a goal than whether the play was offside or not. On pretty much any offside that gets called back I don't see how they play would have been any different if they were that one cm inside the line.

I agree with Tanner, offsides should be left to the linesmen.

You make an excellent point (surprising for a Habs fan) about it being fun.

The NHL needs to figure out how to make the presentation of the "evidence" more exciting.

With tennis, they trace the shot, then zoom in and show the mark. It's visually pleasing.

With the NHL, they toggle back and forth on a grainy image.

Computerize it - which would have the added benefit of removing the fans' ability to argue that "it looks onside to me!"

Get 'er done, Gary!
- Atomic Wedgie

Leave Gary alone, we're busy bribing him with poutine.

So, you are for modern analytics to help teams understand the games and players. But, you are against modern technology to correct officiating mistakes.

Where do you stand on curved sticks, helmets?

It’s 2019, come join us. The technology works. It fixes mistakes.

I suppose you liked it when the Detroit Tiger pitcher lost a perfect game because of a blown call?

How about when the STL Cardinals were robbed of a World Series because of a botched call.

Do I even have to bring up last weekend’s NFC Championship game.

Offsides is not a judgement call. ‘Close enough’ is not good enough.
- scottak

I really can't stand when people appeal to the authority of technology and the date to make their point.

I'm not some old idiot who blindly takes technology, but whenever someone criticizes technology, it's OLD MAN YELLS AT CLOUD.

That's arguably a worse generalization that I would be if I was in fact disparaging all technology, which I'm not.

I like technology.

I just happen to think that sports are fun and enforcing rules microscopically takes away that fun. Everyone wins and loses sometimes on bad calls. I can live with that. I just don't think the cost of always being right is worth absolutely killing the fun and momentum of a great 2-1 game in the third period.

By the way, we all need to do better than assuming the motives and biases of the people we argue with. There is not inherently something wrong with anyone who disagrees without. i.e being anti-video review doesn't make me a Ludite.

I have no way of proving it, but I swear this is not a team specific thing for me. The NHL wants to get calls right, but thirty seconds later is just dumb. We're at the point where teams employ people to check and tell the coach if he should challange. That kind of takes away the chance they might be wrong (i,e the punishment of a timeout) and we are slowing down the game without adding anything positive.

If the Coyotes score there, we all see a better game. Everyone wins.

But in 100% of the cases, no matter who it goes for or against, I am against video replay especially for micro reviews.
- James_Tanner

If teams are employing people to check and tell the coach if he should challenge, taking away the chance they might be wrong, how does that slow down the game without adding anything positive?

Only the calls with a high percentage of being overturned are being challenged, reducing the amount of delay.

If they get a call right, it's a positive.

You make an excellent point (surprising for a Habs fan) about it being fun.

The NHL needs to figure out how to make the presentation of the "evidence" more exciting.

With tennis, they trace the shot, then zoom in and show the mark. It's visually pleasing.

With the NHL, they toggle back and forth on a grainy image.

Computerize it - which would have the added benefit of removing the fans' ability to argue that "it looks onside to me!"

Get 'er done, Gary!
- Atomic Wedgie

That racist !

The whole point of tennis is to keep it within the lines, that's how the points are earned, so much more goes into a goal than whether the play was offside or not. On pretty much any offside that gets called back I don't see how they play would have been any different if they were that one cm inside the line.

I agree with Tanner, offsides should be left to the linesmen.
- 13sundin13

Well one could argue here that if the Yotes had kept in between the lines we would not be discussing this !

I have no way of proving it, but I swear this is not a team specific thing for me. The NHL wants to get calls right, but thirty seconds later is just dumb. We're at the point where teams employ people to check and tell the coach if he should challange. That kind of takes away the chance they might be wrong (i,e the punishment of a timeout) and we are slowing down the game without adding anything positive.

If the Coyotes score there, we all see a better game. Everyone wins.

But in 100% of the cases, no matter who it goes for or against, I am against video replay especially for micro reviews.
- James_Tanner

No we don't as that goal shouldn't have been scored in the first place because the offside hadn't been enforced as per the RULES. It would have been an injustice against the Habs if the goal had been allowed.

Earlier this year, we lost a game because one of our goals was refused at the end of the game due to the puck being touched over shoulder's height. Had this goal been allowed, our opponent would have then suffered an injustice (as per the RULES).

Rules apply to everyone ... sometimes it sucks when it doesn't go our way but that's what fairness is all about.

Again, this dude doesnt watch hockey. If you havent seen a million examples of guys trying to cheat the offside line every single game you dont watch hockey. The game is so much faster and technical than what it used to be and much harder for linesman to make the right call as often. The rule wasnt made because of one goal 10ft offside. That is just the most exaggerated example of the refs making the wromg call. The rule was made because offside goals were being scored too often. Again, if you watched hockey you'd realize how important crossing/defending the other team from crossing the blueline is. Zone entry has become the most difficult thing to do other than score goals, and even that might be easier this year. We want to promote a speed/skill game. Its what is fun to watch. It also makes it very hard to judge when these guys can skate as fast as a pass.
- MMclaughlin88

Ray Ferraro and other commentators have the same views as Tanner on this, I guess they dont watch hockey either.