Can you believe it took this long?
- LeftCoaster

With any other organization, yes.

With the Oilers, I'm surprised it happened this soon

Chia is huffing vhs head cleaner
- Zezel

Is that what gms do when they get gassed?

I like my GMs like I like my superheroes - kinda stealthy.

I’m a huge Dubas fan, have backed him from day one, but he didn’t walk into the role knowing everything about everything.

There’s a learning curve and it doesn’t make me less of a Leafs fan because I think taking the spotlight off these key signings is better for all parties involved. Confidence is one thing, backing yourself into a corner for no specific reason is another.
- Deeps27

And yet still hasn't answered the question asked. Why quote the post with the question and then not answer said question?

How has it turned out horribly?

Edmonton finally comes to their senses and cans chiapet.

The owner or president should have fired him when he tried to trade griffin (frank)ing reinhart for a 1st and some other picks

He's (frank)ed that team up massively.

With any other organization, yes.

With the Oilers, I'm surprised it happened this soon
- lumlums

The right manager can change an organizations fortunes, we'll see if that happens. Leafs were a poor franchise until Shannhan took over, some luck helped but at least the Leafs are competitive now. No defense other than Rielly, but competitive.

Edmonton finally comes to their senses and cans chiapet.

The owner or president should have fired him when he tried to trade griffin (frank)ing reinhart for a 1st and some other picks

He's (frank)ed that team up massively.
- burn

Reminds me of the Brian Burke Leaf era, the Kessel trade, poor drafting, the list goes on, but you recovered right...so will they if they hire the right guy.

chiafired?

Reminds me of the Brian Burke Leaf era, the Kessel trade, poor drafting, the list goes on, but you recovered right...so will they if they hire the right guy.
- LeftCoaster

Difference is the the leafs during Burke era didn't have a mcdavid and tried to win. He didn't do a good job, but after he left they tore it down and rebuilt. You're saying the oilers trade one of the best (probably the best) players right now to restart the rebuild? They won't find a better player so makes little sense.

Difference is the the leafs during Burke era didn't have a mcdavid and tried to win. He didn't do a good job, but after he left they tore it down and rebuilt. You're saying the oilers trade one of the best (probably the best) players right now to restart the rebuild? They won't find a better player so makes little sense.
- burn

No, I'm saying that a dysfunctional franchise can recover, like the Leafs did, how they recover is up to hiring the right person.

There's some great YOUNG pieces there to build upon, they just have to lower expectations and start to build again.

No, I'm saying that a dysfunctional franchise can recover, like the Leafs did, how they recover is up to hiring the right person.

There's some great YOUNG pieces there to build upon, they just have to lower expectations and start to build again.
- LeftCoaster

How are they going to get better players to bring in if they don't bottom out?

Mcdavid is going to put up with more losing?

They'll never get better without getting more players to add to the core, and with mcdavid they're never going to be bad enough to get more impact players. And mcdavid alone isn't enough to win. It's a catch 22.

The leafs were able to do it by striping the core down and starting fresh.

No, I'm saying that a dysfunctional franchise can recover, like the Leafs did, how they recover is up to hiring the right person.

There's some great YOUNG pieces there to build upon, they just have to lower expectations and start to build again.
- LeftCoaster

for some organisations you can have 'lower expectations' but not sure whether the Oilers fit into that category.

for Leafs for example (and same with Montreal, NYR, Boston and a few other teams) the expectation for each year should to be at least make the playoffs. When you run a team that has no financial limitations re caphit (always able to spend up to max) and some other financial advantages over most other teams in league, there is no excuse for not being in playoffs.

With a boatload of top5 picks over the last 10 season, plus one of the best players in league, you can't tell Edmonton fans to have 'lower expectations'.

How are they going to get better players to bring in if they don't bottom out?

Mcdavid is going to put up with more losing?

They'll never get better without getting more players to add to the core, and with mcdavid they're never going to be bad enough to get more impact players. And mcdavid alone isn't enough to win. It's a catch 22.

The leafs were able to do it by striping the core down and starting fresh.
- burn

Sorry but I think that's a crock of poop, there's kids out there outside of the top five picks that can make your franchise better, you've just gotta have the right people in your amateur scouting/drafting department to find them.

Look at Tampa, they found Point in the 3rd round, Kucherov in the 2nd round, the Canucks found Boeser 23rd overall after making the playoffs.

Barzal, Kyle Connor, Chabot taken 16-17-18th overall from playoff teams.

for some organisations you can have 'lower expectations' but not sure whether the Oilers fit into that category.

for Leafs for example (and same with Montreal, NYR, Boston and a few other teams) the expectation for each year should to be at least make the playoffs. When you run a team that has no financial limitations re caphit (always able to spend up to max) and some other financial advantages over most other teams in league, there is no excuse for not being in playoffs.

With a boatload of top5 picks over the last 10 season, plus one of the best players in league, you can't tell Edmonton fans to have 'lower expectations'.
- plantheparade

I know they've suffered, but why not? Joe Sakic endured five years of poop before the Nordiques/Avs got better, his first three years in the league they finished last EVERY year.

They need to get someone in who knows how to build an amateur scouting department and start to draft better.

Sorry but I think that's a crock of poop, there's kids out there outside of the top five picks that can make your franchise better, you've just gotta have the right people in your amateur scouting/drafting department to find them.

Look at Tampa, they found Point in the 3rd round, Kucherov in the 2nd round, the Canucks found Boeser 23rd overall after making the playoffs.

Barzal, Kyle Connor, Chabot taken 16-17-18th overall from playoff teams.
- LeftCoaster

bit simplistic.
that 2015 was a very strong draft - and most of the players that were selected 1-15 in that draft were vey good as well.
if you look at last 15 years of draft, it's obvious that it's more likely to find a top notch player early in the draft, and that a 'gem' found later in the draft (in particular after 1st round) most of the time is more luck than quality scouting.

bit simplistic.
that 2015 was a very strong draft - and most of the players that were selected 1-15 in that draft were vey good as well.
if you look at last 15 years of draft, it's obvious that it's more likely to find a top notch player early in the draft, and that a 'gem' found later in the draft (in particular after 1st round) most of the time is more luck than quality scouting.
- plantheparade

The point is they don't need super-star players, they need second tier players to compliment McDavid and Draisaitl, they don't need to bottom out to find them.

Sorry but I think that's a crock of poop, there's kids out there outside of the top five picks that can make your franchise better, you've just gotta have the right people in your amateur scouting/drafting department to find them.

Look at Tampa, they found Point in the 3rd round, Kucherov in the 2nd round, the Canucks found Boeser 23rd overall after making the playoffs.

Barzal, Kyle Connor, Chabot taken 16-17-18th overall from playoff teams.
- LeftCoaster

Yeah and you have hope that the oilers are going to magically find those guys now? They haven't before, hell they couldn't get 1st picks right.

I know they've suffered, but why not? Joe Sakic endured five years of poop before the Nordiques/Avs got better, his first three years in the league they finished last EVERY year.

They need to get someone in who knows how to build an amateur scouting department and start to draft better.
- LeftCoaster

Yeah I think that's the point. These guys played a key role in turning that franchise around. What does the oilers have to show for all their failures since mcdavid? They have nothing to build off of for all this suffering. There isn't much coming to help.

Yeah and you have hope that the oilers are going to magically find those guys now? They haven't before, hell they couldn't get 1st picks right.
- burn

That's why I said they need to hit the reset button and hire the right guy to start building depth in the organization. They have their superstars, they need to start utilizing the draft instead of trying to trade for them.

McDavid just turned 22 last week he's young, Draisaitl is 23, RNH is 25, Nurse is 23, that's a great core to start to build around....again

(frank) off
- Steven_Seagull

It is a (frank)ing banana factory in here lately. Just full trolltard levels of idiocy.

The point is they don't need super-star players, they need second tier players to compliment McDavid and Draisaitl, they don't need to bottom out to find them.
- LeftCoaster

They need more than 2 guys and a a bunch of second tier guys.

They have "2 guys" but they need more than that before they start filling out the roster with 2nd tier guys.

Yeah I think that's the point. These guys played a key role in turning that franchise around. What does the oilers have to show for all their failures since mcdavid? They have nothing to build off of for all this suffering. There isn't much coming to help.
- burn

IMO people like you need to put what happened before Chia came onboard three and a half years ago out of your mind, that's done. They've got McDavid, Draisaitl, RNH, Nurse, Puljujari, Yamamoto, Klefbom, Bouchard, McLeod to build around.

Edmonton needs to make the next move(s) very carefully.
If they put more bad people in place, its another waste of time.

If they go back to the same old tired well again..its over.

Nonis might be available

They need more than 2 guys and a a bunch of second tier guys.

They have "2 guys" but they need more than that before they start filling out the roster with 2nd tier guys.
- burn

Last year the Leafs had Matthews, Marner and Nylander, it's not much different than the Oilers having McDavid, Draisaitl and RNH. Yes they need more but my whole point is they don't have to bottom out again to fix this.

Edit: Leafs had Kadri as well, forgot about him...

Last year the Leafs had Matthews, Marner and Nylander, it's not much different than the Oilers having McDavid, Draisaitl and RNH. Yes they need more but my whole point is they don't have to bottom out again to fix this.

Edit: Leafs had Kadri as well, forgot about him...
- LeftCoaster

First step is not losing guys like Erik Gustafson and tobias reider for nothing. They have made a few great picks in later rounds and (frank)ed up by not keeping them. And i think kailer yamanato and bouchard will be solid players. Theres still hope for puuljarvi. And i think ryan mcleod will be a solid 3rd line center. So yeah, I agree with you...with the right people in place they can easily get their poop together. The leafs have gotten lucky sure with Matthews and marner...but they have done well with late picks if you ask me. Brown, johnson and sparks are great late picks. Even if Brown and sparks are sucky, anytime you get 2 players from a draft let alone 3 or 4 you are doing things right.

They need more than 2 guys and a a bunch of second tier guys.

They have "2 guys" but they need more than that before they start filling out the roster with 2nd tier guys.
- burn

Rnh makes it 3.