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Hokeeguy9
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bethlehem, PA
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jan 22 @ 2:56 PM ET
What are they going to do with Simmonds who also needs a new contract? If they let Simmonds walk then they essentially traded Nylander to rent Simmonds for a playoff run. Why would they do that?
- MJL


I’m not saying they will, or should do it. However, there are some reasons to. One, they get pushed around, as Boston did last year. They need some beef and toughness to their line up, and second, their window is now. Yes, I know they just signed Nylander, but Kapanennis essentially the same player, and they can’t afford to sign and keep all these big money forwards. They’re getting smacked on the back end. Hagg and Simmons would def help them on a long playoff run, and getting rid of some forwards whom they can’t afford to sign next season. So....the whole idea has merit, however there would have to be multiple pieces in a deal like that. Toronto has never been in a better spot to finally win one with the right complimentary pieces. If they don’t do it this year, their window will close with all those 10mil (give or take)forwards. (Tavares, Mathews, Marner, Nylander)
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Jan 22 @ 2:56 PM ET
I want to know if Simmonds gets traded, will you cry for the day or do we have to hear the tears for multiple seasons?
- Glak18


I'm expecting long term trauma
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jan 22 @ 3:00 PM ET
My guess is the latter. I love the guy, as I'm sure most people that post here do, but would rather not have him being paid 6-7M until he's 36.
- Ftown19125


I know the kid has an unhealthy obsession with favorite players, but give a rest. If the Flyers were actually in a playoff race then I could see the benefit of keeping him, but next year and the year after there is absolutely no need for Simmonds.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jan 22 @ 3:05 PM ET
Kapanen may become available and if he does SIGN ME UP!
- dragonoffrost

Yes please!
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jan 22 @ 3:06 PM ET
Yes please!
- BiggE


I also would be interested in Kapanen or Johnsson if a Toronto trade took place.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jan 22 @ 3:09 PM ET
"And one look at the Flyers’ cap situation would suggest that Simmonds, who is no doubt due a raise, is going to be heading elsewhere sooner or later."

Huh? There are reasons why Simmonds may be moving on rather than being re-signed but the cap isn't one of them. The Flyers are in good shape cap wise. Contract TERM, not cap hit, is the issue with Simmonds.

- bmeltzer


I would say it's just fit with the team. They made their bed with Simmonds when they signed JVR. They're probably not looking to move Jake...there's only so many forwards that you'll pay big money to that have less than ideal speed and less than ideal 200 ft. game in today's NHL.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jan 22 @ 3:11 PM ET
I also would be interested in Kapanen or Johnsson if a Toronto trade took place.
- Glak18

I have a sneaking suspicion that Simmonds is heading to the central division. I think both Colorado and Nashville will have a lot of interest and I doubt Simmonds would oppose a trade to either.

Right now, Toronto needs help on D much more than they need a power forward. If they want grit up front, they could swing a deal for a bottom 6 guy that won’t cost that much to acquire. If they’re looking at the Flyers right now, I would think they’re looking at Gudas
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Jan 22 @ 3:17 PM ET
How bout this trade?

Edm gets

Simmonds
Weise (50% retained)
Folin
Elliot

Flyers get:

Spooner
Kassian
2019 first
Petrovic
Talbot

Edmonton gets their forward and cap relief for a playoff push

Flyers get #3 center a first and some salary dumps.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jan 22 @ 3:20 PM ET
I have a sneaking suspicion that Simmonds is heading to the central division. I think both Colorado and Nashville will have a lot of interest and I doubt Simmonds would oppose a trade to either.

Right now, Toronto needs help on D much more than they need a power forward. If they want grit up front, they could swing a deal for a bottom 6 guy that won’t cost that much to acquire. If they’re looking at the Flyers right now, I would think they’re looking at Gudas

- BiggE


If Toronto wants Gudas then I want Johnsson and a pick. If they want Simmonds and Gudas/Hagg then it starts with Kapanen.

I believe Simmonds has a 12 team no trade list, I would assume Edmonton and Ottawa would be on there, not sure who the other 10 teams would be.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Jan 22 @ 3:23 PM ET
If Toronto wants Gudas then I want Johnsson and a pick. If they want Simmonds and Gudas/Hagg then it starts with Kapanen.

I believe Simmonds has a 12 team no trade list, I would assume Edmonton and Ottawa would be on there, not sure who the other 10 teams would be.

- Glak18


Ottawa for sure but i can see him being open to Edmonton. If he believes he can push them to the playoffs, he likely would agree. They were something like 3 points out i heard
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Jan 22 @ 3:24 PM ET
If Toronto wants Gudas then I want Johnsson and a pick. If they want Simmonds and Gudas/Hagg then it starts with Kapanen.

I believe Simmonds has a 12 team no trade list, I would assume Edmonton and Ottawa would be on there, not sure who the other 10 teams would be.

- Glak18


Why oh why would he have Edmonton on that list? I mean what could be so bad about the Oilers.


If he does get traded to there I definitely could see him walk at the end of the year.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 22 @ 3:24 PM ET
How bout this trade?

Edm gets

Simmonds
Weise (50% retained)
Folin
Elliot

Flyers get:

Spooner
Kassian
2019 first
Petrovic
Talbot

Edmonton gets their forward and cap relief for a playoff push

Flyers get #3 center a first and some salary dumps.

- xShoot4WarAmpsx


I don't see it happening, but Chiarelli.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jan 22 @ 3:24 PM ET
If Toronto wants Gudas then I want Johnsson and a pick. If they want Simmonds and Gudas/Hagg then it starts with Kapanen.

I believe Simmonds has a 12 team no trade list, I would assume Edmonton and Ottawa would be on there, not sure who the other 10 teams would be.

- Glak18


I don't really want to get rid of Gudas....even for a late 1st or this type of compensation
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 22 @ 3:24 PM ET
I’m not saying they will, or should do it. However, there are some reasons to. One, they get pushed around, as Boston did last year. They need some beef and toughness to their line up, and second, their window is now. Yes, I know they just signed Nylander, but Kapanennis essentially the same player, and they can’t afford to sign and keep all these big money forwards. They’re getting smacked on the back end. Hagg and Simmons would def help them on a long playoff run, and getting rid of some forwards whom they can’t afford to sign next season. So....the whole idea has merit, however there would have to be multiple pieces in a deal like that. Toronto has never been in a better spot to finally win one with the right complimentary pieces. If they don’t do it this year, their window will close with all those 10mil (give or take)forwards. (Tavares, Mathews, Marner, Nylander)
- Hokeeguy9



The idea of Toronto being interested in Simmonds as a player has merit. The idea of them including Nylander for Simmonds even of we throw in Hagg doesn't have merit. They wouldn't do it. Nylander has far more value than that.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jan 22 @ 3:26 PM ET
How bout this trade?

Edm gets

Simmonds
Weise (50% retained)
Folin
Elliot

Flyers get:

Spooner
Kassian
2019 first
Petrovic
Talbot

Edmonton gets their forward and cap relief for a playoff push

Flyers get #3 center a first and some salary dumps.

- xShoot4WarAmpsx


Where is the #3 C?

Spooner for Weise (Flyers trade old poop for new poop - Flyers win)
Folin for Petrovic (Same as above)
Elliott for Kassian (Basically helps Edmonton with cap space)

So Simmonds for a 1st and a rented Talbot who won't be re-signed, hopefully.

Meh. That's if Simmonds accepts a trade to Edmonton.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jan 22 @ 3:26 PM ET
Ottawa for sure but i can see him being open to Edmonton. If he believes he can push them to the playoffs, he likely would agree. They were something like 3 points out i heard
- xShoot4WarAmpsx


Who would his 12 team list be?
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jan 22 @ 3:28 PM ET
Who would his 12 team list be?
- Glak18

Perhaps he just wrote: OTTAWA 12 times
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jan 22 @ 3:29 PM ET
Perhaps he just wrote: OTTAWA 12 times
- BiggE


I was gonna say the same joke, but he wrote Flyers 12 times
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Jan 22 @ 3:34 PM ET
I was gonna say the same joke, but he wrote Flyers 12 times
- Glak18


We were probably on some lists going into this year
FlyerFan16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CT
Joined: 09.21.2014

Jan 22 @ 3:38 PM ET
Does Simmonds have an agent because he can take his pick in here.
- SuperSchennBros

FlyerFan16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CT
Joined: 09.21.2014

Jan 22 @ 3:45 PM ET
How bout this trade?

Edm gets

Simmonds
Weise (50% retained)
Folin
Elliot

Flyers get:

Spooner
Kassian
2019 first
Petrovic
Talbot

Edmonton gets their forward and cap relief for a playoff push

Flyers get #3 center a first and some salary dumps.

- xShoot4WarAmpsx


I don't think anyone is taking Elliott at this point and definitely not Neuvirth.
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Jan 22 @ 3:53 PM ET

https://www.nhl.com/flyer...elphia-flyers/c-304134430

It is interesting that the 4 goalies whose contracts are expiring aren’t mentioned. I think it will be something that may partial play out in the next few weeks.

dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Jan 22 @ 4:05 PM ET
Time to get a little crazy.

If Sandstrom comes over next year for camp and blows the front office away do they try to go with Hart/Sandstrom as the goalies?
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Jan 22 @ 4:08 PM ET
Time to get a little crazy.

If Sandstrom comes over next year for camp and blows the front office away do they try to go with Hart/Sandstrom as the goalies?

- dragonoffrost


I think they plan to start him with the Phantoms, just like with Hart this season. The plan was to play a full AHL season.

Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jan 22 @ 4:08 PM ET
Time to get a little crazy.

If Sandstrom comes over next year for camp and blows the front office away do they try to go with Hart/Sandstrom as the goalies?

- dragonoffrost


Nope, in my opinion it is 99% certain when Sandstrom comes over to NA he will no doubt play in the AHL for a year at least to adjust to NA. That 1% is there if he gets traded
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