I mean this makes him the 20th highest paid goalie in the NHL .... so I would say for a starter thats about on par
- Lemmewinks

It is about on par for a starters wage, but the question is: In his 27 NHL games, has Koskinen shown enough to be considered a starter?

I'll admit that I don't know; the sample size is just too (frank)ing small. I might feel differently by the end of the season. At least I hope I do.

Subban for Weber isn't as unbalanced as Hall for Larsson in my opinion, and the Hall/Larsson deal isn't close to Chia's worst. Plus, Bergy's deal for Domi, the big return he got on Patches, and going off the board for Kotkaniemi all look pretty good on him this year. There is only one undisputed champion in the worst GM category.
- Beergu

Yep - after the Seguin trade he should have never had another gm job - That the Oil sought him out speaks volumes about mangmnt... Almost as bad as rehiring Carlyle

Subban for Weber isn't as unbalanced as Hall for Larsson in my opinion, and the Hall/Larsson deal isn't close to Chia's worst. Plus, Bergy's deal for Domi, the big return he got on Patches, and going off the board for Kotkaniemi all look pretty good on him this year. There is only one undisputed champion in the worst GM category.
- Beergu

Curious- u think the reinhart deal his worst?

Ima stick with the hall deal for a few reasons

While there were a lot of good players that went in that 16-32 range, still coulda missed. And rumour is we wouldn’tve went with Barzal anyway. (Imagine Chabot!)

And hall was and is a superstar. And we knew it. That kind of high end depth with Leon, Connor and nuge is nearly impossible to find in a cap world. Even if the defence doesn’t get fixed (it didn’t anyway) we could often outscore our Issues. Think comparable to the leafs. Certainly flawed, but still hella good

It’s the move that set us back multiple years imo

Sad state that there’s multiple deals we can debate that are on that level of incompetence. Crazy actually

bumhole.
- Wildschwein

I deserve that.

I deserve that.
- BINGO!

Yes you did.

But worry not, I love you still.

It was amazing when our team overachieved two years ago... all those players having career years. Perhaps food for thought ?
- Reveen.

Curious- u think the reinhart deal his worst?

Ima stick with the hall deal for a few reasons

While there were a lot of good players that went in that 16-32 range, still coulda missed. And rumour is we wouldn’tve went with Barzal anyway. (Imagine Chabot!)

And hall was and is a superstar. And we knew it. That kind of high end depth with Leon, Connor and nuge is nearly impossible to find in a cap world. Even if the defence doesn’t get fixed (it didn’t anyway) we could often outscore our Issues. Think comparable to the leafs. Certainly flawed, but still hella good

It’s the move that set us back multiple years imo

Sad state that there’s multiple deals we can debate that are on that level of incompetence. Crazy actually
- HB77

Lucic and Russ extensions come to immediate mind. Now those set the Oil back Bigly

Curious- u think the reinhart deal his worst?

Ima stick with the hall deal for a few reasons

While there were a lot of good players that went in that 16-32 range, still coulda missed. And rumour is we wouldn’tve went with Barzal anyway. (Imagine Chabot!)

And hall was and is a superstar. And we knew it. That kind of high end depth with Leon, Connor and nuge is nearly impossible to find in a cap world. Even if the defence doesn’t get fixed (it didn’t anyway) we could often outscore our Issues. Think comparable to the leafs. Certainly flawed, but still hella good

It’s the move that set us back multiple years imo

Sad state that there’s multiple deals we can debate that are on that level of incompetence. Crazy actually
- HB77

Yup, I'll go with the Reinhart deal, mostly because it was obvious at the time that he was already fallen out of favor in NYI, he was known to be slow, and he played the left side. There was nothing redeeming about that transaction, and a lot given up (potentially). Even if the Oiler's sucked at drafting, Chia should have been able to leverage that package of picks for a significantly higher return. Plus, I still think the Hall deal had more to it (in getting Hall out of the dressing room) than just a player for player swap. Pure speculation, and I definitely think a 1st should have been in the return, but I can see some reasoning to that deal.

[quote=HB77]Curious- u think the reinhart deal his worst?

As much as moving Ebs is on a smaller scale that moving Hall, the fact that he downgraded to Strome, then moved Strome for Spooner, and is now waiving Spooner is equally bad. He actually turned Ebs into a negative value, wtf.

Heard a roomer that if (when) Spooner clears, the Oil might deal him to Van. Would have to add a good pic for them to take him off the cap, so that would be more negative to the original deal just to recoup cap space.

It is about on par for a starters wage, but the question is: In his 27 NHL games, has Koskinen shown enough to be considered a starter?

I'll admit that I don't know; the sample size is just too (frank)ing small. I might feel differently by the end of the season. At least I hope I do.
- Wildschwein

I understand the sample size is small and probably a bit of a gamble to consider him a full fledged starter at this point but I would say he has earned that role by outplaying Talbot all season. Plus at this point what else are we going to do? Risk them both walking and go in to free agency with no goalies under contract? Koskinen has been picked as our starter and in the NHL the market dictates he is worth 4-5 mill as such. Now as long as we are around 20th place in the league with him in the pipes we are getting our monies worth lol.

[quote=HB77]Curious- u think the reinhart deal his worst?

As much as moving Ebs is on a smaller scale that moving Hall, the fact that he downgraded to Strome, then moved Strome for Spooner, and is now waiving Spooner is equally bad. He actually turned Ebs into a negative value, wtf.

Heard a roomer that if (when) Spooner clears, the Oil might deal him to Van. Would have to add a good pic for them to take him off the cap, so that would be more negative to the original deal just to recoup cap space.
- Beergu

So wedve actually paid a pick to deal eberle for nothing. Can’t make this up!! Lol

Lucic and Russ extensions come to immediate mind. Now those set the Oil back Bigly
- dozerD10

Brutal

Lucic is crippling

Brutal

Lucic is crippling
- HB77

I couldnt imagine this defense without Russell though... just how much worse could it be...

How is this even a question? Chiarelli has, arguably, the best center depth in the league which includes the most talented player in the world and he can't put together a winning team. Bergevin has done some pretty dumb stuff, but the Habs are currently in a playoff spot.
- eichiefs9

This is part of the problem...people believe the media hype crap. Obviously McDavid is great...the other guys struggle to carry a line.

Best center depth lol

So wedve actually paid a pick to deal eberle for nothing. Can’t make this up!! Lol
- HB77

Chia traded Eberle at more of a discount than what WCS traded relative to WTI a couple months ago

If indeed they’re doing things by committee Chiarelli is pretty much done.
- shack67

the oilers get more done by committee than the House Judiciary Committee

This is part of the problem...people believe the media hype crap. Obviously McDavid is great...the other guys struggle to carry a line.

Best center depth lol
- flashfire

Alot (most) centres would struggle to carry Lucic, puju, Rattie, Khaira etc etc etc

Leon and nuge are quality quality players. No doubt about that.
If there were competent wingers, I can’t think of too many teams with far superior center depth

This is always been a thing with you man. You know ur sh1t, but Ur hate for the oilers clouds your judgement.

Yes, the oilers are bad. A deeply flawed roster. But Connor, Leon and nuge are FAR from the reason why. Or rather it’s certianly not that they’re not good enough to get it done. The oilers predicament isn’t due to any of their deficiencies whatsoever really. (Leon can tend to get abit frustrated and disinterested at times I’ll grant)

It’s literally everywhere else on the roster

Alot (most) centres would struggle to carry Lucic, puju, Rattie, Khaira etc etc etc

Leon and nuge are quality quality players. No doubt about that.
If there were competent wingers, I can’t think of too many teams with far superior center depth

This is always been a thing with you man. You know ur sh1t, but Ur hate for the oilers clouds your judgement.

Yes, the oilers are bad. A deeply flawed roster. But Connor, Leon and nuge are FAR from the reason why. Or rather it’s certianly not that they’re not good enough to get it done. The oilers predicament isn’t due to any of their deficiencies whatsoever really. (Leon can tend to get abit frustrated and disinterested at times I’ll grant)

It’s literally everywhere else on the roster
- HB77

You don't have centre depth. That's a dumb thing to say. Saying that implies your 1-2-3 centres are McDavid, Drai and RNH. So RNH is now your third line centre? So build the lines for me:

blank-McDavid-blank
blank-Draisaitl-blank
blank-RNH-blank

Centre depth implies all your centres play centre. I don't include Sam Bennett in CGYs centre depth, because he plays wing now. Once of either RNH or Draisaitl is the same. To say you have centre depth means you can fill out your top 6 with something other than fringe-ahlers, career-bottom sixers, and whatever the hell lucic is.

You don't have centre depth. That's a dumb thing to say. Saying that implies your 1-2-3 centres are McDavid, Drai and RNH. So RNH is now your third line centre? So build the lines for me:

blank-McDavid-blank
blank-Draisaitl-blank
blank-RNH-blank

Centre depth implies all your centres play centre. I don't include Sam Bennett in CGYs centre depth, because he plays wing now. Once of either RNH or Draisaitl is the same. To say you have centre depth means you can fill out your top 6 with something other than fringe-ahlers, career-bottom sixers, and whatever the hell lucic is.
- roocifer

Those are centers that have been forced to play wing because our wings were gutted.
They should be playing center if the team wasn’t gutted on the wing.
Even been stated explicitly by the organization numerous times.
And they still do play center often enough.
Leon did last night.
Nuge did the game before. And does most nights.

Acquire some wingers or yam/puju etc turn out and they’ll be playing center.
Those wing spots would be filled by the full
Time wingers. But they aren’t good enough, so they try and stack the lines

You’re arguing semantics.

Found this gem of a post on twitter...


- EdmHockeyMan

Reveens imaginary love life.

Reveens imaginary love life.
- RafiDRW

True story

Mikko Koskinen first 17 games as an Oiler (500 shots): .928 %
Anders Nilsson first 16 games as an Oiler (501 shots): .922%

Mikko Koskinen next 10 games (260 shots): .877%
Anders Nilsson next 10 games (244 shots): .857%

Koskinen Age: 30
Nilsson Age: 25

Koskinen: signed for 3 yrs x $4.5M
Nilsson: traded for a 5th

(frank) off, Oilers.

Mikko Koskinen first 17 games as an Oiler (500 shots): .928 %
Anders Nilsson first 16 games as an Oiler (501 shots): .922%

Mikko Koskinen next 10 games (260 shots): .877%
Anders Nilsson next 10 games (244 shots): .857%

Koskinen Age: 30
Nilsson Age: 25

Koskinen: signed for 3 yrs x $4.5M
Nilsson: traded for a 5th

(frank) off, Oilers.
- MaximumBone

Nilson played for a worse team to top it off

Mikko Koskinen first 17 games as an Oiler (500 shots): .928 %
Anders Nilsson first 16 games as an Oiler (501 shots): .922%

Mikko Koskinen next 10 games (260 shots): .877%
Anders Nilsson next 10 games (244 shots): .857%

Koskinen Age: 30
Nilsson Age: 25

Koskinen: signed for 3 yrs x $4.5M
Nilsson: traded for a 5th

(frank) off, Oilers.
- MaximumBone

And this is EXACTLY what concerns me.

Subban for Weber isn't as unbalanced as Hall for Larsson in my opinion, and the Hall/Larsson deal isn't close to Chia's worst. Plus, Bergy's deal for Domi, the big return he got on Patches, and going off the board for Kotkaniemi all look pretty good on him this year. There is only one undisputed champion in the worst GM category.
- Beergu

It’s pretty close tonthe same. And he’s right about Larsson having way more longevity, weber has barely played and is regressing rapidly. Both very bad trades.