- bloatedmosquito

Lets assume Hughes Cozens Byram Kakko and Podzkolzin are gone in first 5 and you end up 7 like last year who then?
- VANTEL

Broberg me some Swedes

u should have dug deep and pulled out a deerhunter meme ,
- onesmallleap

Never understood the "playoff experience" benefit. It's not like these kids have never experienced the joys of playoff hockey. Most NHL players have experienced playoff hockey at every level through their career. Many have experienced the pressure cooker of international tournaments.

I'm on the same page as Lefty, give me another shot at a Boeser or Pettersson any day over the experienced gained by playing 4 to 5 games of NHL playoff hockey.

What are you expecting for a return for middling guys like Goldy, Grandlund, Baertschi, Schaller, Motte, etc.? That equates to shuffling the chairs on the deck of the Titanic. You're not going to get over the hump by doing that and magically turn this team into a contenders, stop fooling yourself.

If they traded Sutter and Tanev for a player, that might get you something, but it in-turn makes the defense worse. Gudbranson is poop, lets be honest, he's not bringing you a great return. Edler doesn't want to go. So I don't see any moves of significance helping Petey, Horvat and Boeser.

Patience for the rest of this year is the way to go IMO. Do the mid Feb Benning tank, trade Sutter for a 2nd rounder, bring up Gaudette, let Demko get the majority of the games and see where the chips fall.
- LeftCoaster

i am saying that changes can be made without trading away all our draft picks , and players have the value that the teams trading for them see. we traded for Higgins , while injured to add to the team when we were contending , i believe it was a second too boot, so a team may see a player on our roster that is worth a second to them. at that point we can call up a younger player to fill the hole

Never understood the "playoff experience" benefit. It's not like these kids have never experienced the joys of playoff hockey. Most NHL players have experienced playoff hockey at every level through their career. Many have experienced the pressure cooker of international tournaments.

I'm on the same page as Lefty, give me another shot at a Boeser or Pettersson any day over the experienced gained by playing 4 to 5 games of NHL playoff hockey.
- bloatedmosquito

SHL playoffs are not even close the Stanley cup playoffs , nor are Calder cup , or Memorial cup.
It will help it just is not a stat that can be quantified, the 2009 Hawks were supposed to lose to the flames in the first round, and for sure wouldn't beat the Nucks in the second round , and just happened to win the cup

If you followed Calgary closer you would know it cost 2 firsts
- VANTEL

Tanev is worth a first so it seems fair.

i am saying that changes can be made without trading away all our draft picks , and players have the value that the teams trading for them see. we traded for Higgins , while injured to add to the team when we were contending , i believe it was a second too boot, so a team may see a player on our roster that is worth a second to them. at that point we can call up a younger player to fill the hole
- onesmallleap

I understand the want to compete, God knows I've been a fan of this team for a long time and I've been both pissed off at times, and extremely happy at others. Personally I just don't see them as currently being anything more than a middling 500 hockey club with three great young players.

To me trading the guys you've suggested is just going to get you more of the same, no one is giving anything of value for Goldobin, he's a project player who is running out of time. They rest of which you mentioned are bottom six guys, there isn't a team out there who are going to give you a top six forward for your gargabe bottom six forwards or 4-5 defensemen, there just isn't.

Sit the veterans again, let the kids play, hopefully they finish around 8-9-10th last and get some lottery luck. That's my hope anyways.

i hate that wiener, but my point is you play the games and have a open idea as to the progression of the team , we are better then thought , so now we have to do things that will help build now and in the future , there is nothing wrong in making moves that help the team
- onesmallleap

Lefty is the self admitted Trump fan.

Never understood the "playoff experience" benefit. It's not like these kids have never experienced the joys of playoff hockey. Most NHL players have experienced playoff hockey at every level through their career. Many have experienced the pressure cooker of international tournaments.

I'm on the same page as Lefty, give me another shot at a Boeser or Pettersson any day over the experienced gained by playing 4 to 5 games of NHL playoff hockey.
- bloatedmosquito

Canucks picked Boeser after making the playoffs, 23rd.

- LeftCoaster

For the life of me I can't understand why folks find it so hard to understand the methodology behind the 'tank'. It's just a way of ensuring a better chance of getting an impact player for tomorrow.

It's not like I'm asking JB to fix the world series. Just position the team so you can build a young core (that can be retained) so you have multiple shots at a championship series. The CBA is set up so teams can keep their drafted players under contract longer. So many benefits to drafting your difference makers.

For the life of me I can't understand why folks find it so hard to understand the methodology behind the 'tank'. It's just a way of ensuring a better chance of getting an impact player for tomorrow.

It's not like I'm asking JB to fix the world series. Just position the team so you can build a young core (that can be retained) so you have multiple shots at a championship series. The CBA is set up so teams can keep their drafted players under contract longer. So many benefits to drafting your difference makers.
- bloatedmosquito

I always get a chuckle out of the "tanking doesn't work" comments, which totally ignores the fact that our best player came from getting a good draft position, to take Pettersson, from the tank.

What matters is the team had a top five pick, not that they picked Pettersson, which allowed them access to the best players before anyone else.

I understand the want to compete, God knows I've been a fan of this team for a long time and I've been both pissed off at times, and extremely happy at others. Personally I just don't see them as currently being anything more than a middling 500 hockey club with three great young players.

To me trading the guys you've suggested is just going to get you more of the same, no one is giving anything of value for Goldobin, he's a project player who is running out of time. They rest of which you mentioned are bottom six guys, there isn't a team out there who are going to give you a top six forward for your gargabe bottom six forwards or 4-5 defensemen, there just isn't.

Sit the veterans again, let the kids play, hopefully they finish around 8-9-10th last and get some lottery luck. That's my hope anyways.
- LeftCoaster

team sports are about middling players playing above their limits due to believing in the great players that drive the team , the sum of the parts can be greater then the prospective whole , this team does not quit and fights when down multiple goals , it will not fall off the cliff and sitting guys like Tanev and Edler to try to influence draft position is unsportsmanlike and shamefull

We are not in a position to go out and acquire the likes of a Dougie Hamilton. Calgary missed the playoffs last year with him and they had Gaudreau, Monahan, Giordano, Tkachuk, Backlund, Ferland, Brodie, Bennett, etc....

The Canucks have Petey, Horvat, Boeser and Elder. It's not "go-time" yet.
- LeftCoaster

Did the flames have The Beag? No, they didn't.
STFU

Canucks picked Boeser after making the playoffs, 23rd.
- boonerbuck

Sure, there are lots of examples of quality picked out of the top ten. All I'm saying is that your chances of getting a quality player (or a desired player) increases with a top ten pick. With a lottery type situation it's all about odds.

Again, I think the math is not hard to grasp.

team sports are about middling players playing above their limits due to believing in the great players that drive the team , the sum of the parts can be greater then the prospective whole , this team does not quit and fights when down multiple goals , it will not fall off the cliff and sitting guys like Tanev and Edler to try to influence draft position is unsportsmanlike and shamefull

- onesmallleap

I guess you weren't watching the past three years when Benning sat veterans with mysterious injuries so the kids could play?

Sure, there are lots of examples of quality picked out of the top ten. All I'm saying is that your chances of getting a quality player (or a desired player) increases with a top ten pick. With a lottery type situation it's all about odds.

Again, I think the math is not hard to grasp.
- bloatedmosquito

well the MATH says if you make the playoffs you have a chance to win the cup , no cups are won on draft day

Did the flames have The Beag? No, they didn't.
STFU
- Pres.cup

Funny, when the Flames traded Hamilton for even MORE depth, they got better and are now at the top of the league....(frank) I hate Calgary!

I guess you weren't watching the past three years when Benning sat veterans with mysterious injuries so the kids could play?
- LeftCoaster

i watch / listen to every game , that is your opinion and i am not in the know either way

For the life of me I can't understand why folks find it so hard to understand the methodology behind the 'tank'. It's just a way of ensuring a better chance of getting an impact player for tomorrow.

It's not like I'm asking JB to fix the world series. Just position the team so you can build a young core (that can be retained) so you have multiple shots at a championship series. The CBA is set up so teams can keep their drafted players under contract longer. So many benefits to drafting your difference makers.
- bloatedmosquito

I'm pretty sure every single person here understands the simple math of what you say you don't understand about them. It's really 1+1=2.... The higher you draft the higher the chances of finding a impact player. Amazing people think they are the wiser for stating such an redundant fact. There's a reason no one else is saying this... no point in it.

well the MATH says if you make the playoffs you have a chance to win the cup , no cups are won on draft day
- onesmallleap

The math says that the Cup winners, 90+% of the time, come from the top three teams in each conference. Again, you are the perfect example of why the Canucks have never won a Cup. Too many impatient managers with your mentality

there is a lottery , sucking does not mean top pick , and when you are middle of the road 10-15 is not a big difference , if at all due to varying opinions of players and development

i watch / listen to every game , that is your opinion and i am not in the know either way
- onesmallleap

Not acknowleging the facts doesn't make them go away, you can stick your head in the sand all you want, it doesn't change the fact Benning sat veterans to allow the kids to play which helped the team slide in the standings.

there is a lottery , sucking does not mean top pick , and when you are middle of the road 10-15 is not a big difference , if at all due to varying opinions of players and development
- onesmallleap

Again, you don't know or you don't acknowlege the facts. Finishing second last a few years ago meant the Canucks would pick no worse than top five, so you're wrong, it does guarantee you access to the top of the draft class.

Top five is a quality top pick imo.

The math says that the Cup winners, 90+% of the time, come from the top three teams in each conference. Again, you are the perfect example of why the Canucks have never won a Cup. Too many impatient managers with your mentality
- LeftCoaster

how many bottom seeds have made the finals ? of coarse the cream will rise , but it's not as simple as you imply

Sure, there are lots of examples of quality picked out of the top ten. All I'm saying is that your chances of getting a quality player (or a desired player) increases with a top ten pick. With a lottery type situation it's all about odds.

Again, I think the math is not hard to grasp.
- bloatedmosquito

The math... lol. Everyone understands this... everyone. It seems weird that you keep pointing out though.


If you stated that 2+2=4 and no one said anything and looked at you in all puzzled... would you assume no one but you knows?