Because stats don't tell the whole story, hell they don't even tell have the story.
- Glak18

beg to differ, especially with significant sample sizes, they tell a pretty good story. Almost a full story!

beg to differ, especially with significant sample sizes, they tell a pretty good story. Almost a full story!
- ClaudeFather

Ok who's the better goal scorer?

81 GP 36 goals
82 GP 29 goals
81 GP 28 goals

Ok who's the better goal scorer?

81 GP 36 goals
82 GP 29 goals
81 GP 28 goals
- Glak18

Is this the only sample size you are giving? You can't throw random stats out. show the whole career.

Is this the only sample size you are giving? You can't throw random stats out. show the whole career.
- ClaudeFather

So a sample size must be the career for it to be objective? 81 games is a pretty damn good sample size for a season to me.

beg to differ, especially with significant sample sizes, they tell a pretty good story. Almost a full story!
- ClaudeFather

So a sample size must be the career for it to be objective? 81 games is a pretty damn good sample size for a season to me.
- Glak18

There are always anomalies. If you have a bigger sample size why wouldn't you use it? Because it paints a better picture and disproves your point? Show the Goals per game for each of those players you tried to hide and i guarantee it will show who the best goal scorer is. Get owned.

Glak currently trying to find stats that fit his point, gonna be tough, we shall see. I know for a fact that 81GP 36 goals is JVR in Toronto last year.

There are always anomalies. If you have a bigger sample size why wouldn't you use it? Because it paints a better picture and disproves your point? Show the Goals per game for each of those players you tried to hide and i guarantee it will show who the best goal scorer is. Get owned.
- ClaudeFather

There are always anomalies. If you have a bigger sample size why wouldn't you use it? Because it paints a better picture and disproves your point? Show the Goals per game for each of those players you tried to hide and i guarantee it will show who the best goal scorer is. Get owned.
- ClaudeFather

Ok...

Here ya go

640 career games with 212 goals (0.331 goals per game)
637 career games with 246 goals (0.386 goals per game)
562 career games with 202 goals (0.359 goals per game)

Glak currently trying to find stats that fit his point, gonna be tough, we shall see. I know for a fact that 81GP 36 goals is JVR in Toronto last year.
- ClaudeFather

Again some clown said stats tell almost the whole story, back it up and own now.

Ok...

Here ya go

640 career games with 212 goals (0.331 goals per game)
637 career games with 246 goals (0.386 goals per game)
562 career games with 202 goals (0.359 goals per game)
- Glak18

I'll take 246 goals, what's behind the doors GLak. Chechoo in there with an anomaly season.

Glak currently trying to find stats that fit his point, gonna be tough, we shall see. I know for a fact that 81GP 36 goals is JVR in Toronto last year.
- ClaudeFather

still don't like him

I'll take 246 goals, what's behind the doors GLak. Chechoo in there with an anomaly season.
- ClaudeFather

640 career games with 212 goals (0.331 goals per game) JvR
637 career games with 246 goals (0.386 goals per game) Seguin
562 career games with 202 goals (0.359 goals per game) Hall

The Avs might be a nice place for Simmer. They are not playing well but they are in the playoff race, they need secondary scoring.

still don't like him
- Scoob

Saying stats isn't one of the most important evaluation methods is asinine.

640 career games with 212 goals (0.331 goals per game) JvR
637 career games with 246 goals (0.386 goals per game) Seguin
562 career games with 202 goals (0.359 goals per game) Hall
- Glak18

Yes, Seguin is the best goal scorer. numbers don't lie.

Saying stats isn't one of the most important evaluation methods is asinine.
- ClaudeFather

This is why your player evaluation are always off because you look at a stat page and determine it that way.

Not anyone can just read career stats......

This is why your player evaluation are always off because you look at a stat page and determine it that way.

Not anyone can just read career stats......
- Glak18

We just proved it with Seguin....

Yes, Seguin is the best goal scorer. numbers don't lie.
- ClaudeFather

Many will disagree and say Hall is....whole story bro, whole story.

Saying stats isn't one of the most important evaluation methods is asinine.
- ClaudeFather

Stats are part of the analysis picture, yes. Ignoring them is foolish. Relying solely on them is also foolish.

640 career games with 212 goals (0.331 goals per game) JvR
637 career games with 246 goals (0.386 goals per game) Seguin
562 career games with 202 goals (0.359 goals per game) Hall
- Glak18

My preference:

Hall
Seguin
JvR

- Glak18

When you do it points/game JvR looks even worse, and Hall is clearly the best of the three. Then factor in how he plays the game and Hall is my clear choice.

When you do it points/game JvR looks even worse, and Hall is clearly the best of the three. Then factor in how he plays the game and Hall is my clear choice.
- Scoob

And that was the whole point of the discussion.

I tend to look at player attributes, age, contract, viewing experience, situations they were placed in then finally look at stats and numbers.
- Glak18

I totally understand the whole picture view but you need to look at stats and numbers first.
- ClaudeFather

He said it himself, anomalies happen...they happen ALL the time. The big years by the Clarksons, Max Talbots, Cheechoos and many more.

Stats are a statement how they performed in the situation they were in. How good was the team, the linemates, situations they were put in. Many players are considered better than others with less stats. Stats play a part only after the other factors are looked at.

Some people like to do things ass backwards.

There’s lots of opinions on the internet of both Lyon and Stolarz. Most are positive and hopeful. My own has a lot to do with watching Lyon play against Charlotte in the AHL playoffs last season. He was nothing short of spectacular. If that is his top game, he has a lot of potential. Charlotte people around me said they thought Lyon would be the Flyers starter this season. I said I don’t know...can’t forget about Carter Hart. Who? was their reply. Lol

Here is some of the write ups out there:

Lyon: Very technique-oriented goalie that combines quick reflexes with sound positional play. Superior core and lower-body strength exhibited through quick cross-crease pushes and smooth lateral movement. Quick glove hand that doesn't get beat very often. Isn't very scrambly and accurately predicts where the puck is going to hit him and where it will be redirected to if he doesn't hold onto it. Analyzes odd-man situations well and is always a step ahead. -Elite Prospects

Stolarz has the pure raw ability that could see him develop into a starting goalie at the NHL level. But he’s very injury prone and it’s hurting his chances. June 2018 – Stolarz was moving up the depth chart and looked to take advantage of what could be a quickly closing window of opportunity last fall when disaster struck. He underwent knee surgery that wiped out nearly his entire season. In late-season games after his return, he struggled to find his form. Meanwhile, Alex Lyon acquitted himself well and Carter Hart creeps ever closer to readiness. Running out of time. - Dobber

Blessed with a calm demeanor and fluid mobility, Lyon carries the potential to one day become a starting goaltender in the NHL. - Dobber

Stolarz: Has a huge frame (he covers a lot of net) and plenty of presence when he's in the crease area. Plays with loads of confidence, including in terms of handling the puck. Has a tendency to let bad goals affect him a little too much, so he needs to continue to work on the mental side of the game. Must generally work on his consistency. - sportsforcaster.com

Lyon: Powerfully built, his strong lower base allows him to quickly move side to side in the crease area. Is a proven puck-stopping talent at lower levels. Needs to learn shooters' tendencies at the National Hockey League level. Can be beaten upstairs from time to time, so he needs to shore that up. -sportsforcaster.com

I think I broke it...too long