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Flamin_Irishmin
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Location: Victoria B.C., BC Joined: 09.15.2015
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Reveen.
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Location: BC Joined: 09.05.2016
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“Being an Oiler fan is a rough gig. The highs and lows of a season are as tall as Everest and go as deep as the Mariana's Trench.”
How dare you talk about Wildschweins wife like that!! - Flamin_Irishmin
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Flamin_Irishmin
Calgary Flames |
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Location: Victoria B.C., BC Joined: 09.15.2015
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You guys will understand lows when your goaltending implodes in the playoffs - Reveen.
How bout you let us worry about our goaltending in the playoffs, and you just worry about getting a sniff of playoff action in period. |
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Flamin_Irishmin
Calgary Flames |
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Location: Victoria B.C., BC Joined: 09.15.2015
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4-1 Oilers. Your welcome. 😁 |
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ruttager17
Edmonton Oilers |
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Location: "Don't worry about me, worry about yourself". -EKLB DNZ supreme , AB Joined: 10.21.2011
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Post of the century!!!!
LittleRicky would approve! - smellmyfinger
More importantly, would Mr. Bobby approve? |
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RatedR80
Edmonton Oilers |
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Joined: 10.17.2013
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Yamamoto will play tonight with RNH & Lucic. Cave makes Oiler debut; Petrovic not quite ready.
So looks like there is a slight change to the line ups....I can only assume that Chiasson plays on the top line and Rattie will be the scratch |
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More importantly, would Mr. Bobby approve? - ruttager17
Mr. Bobby always sides with LittleRicky. |
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LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks |
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Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla! Joined: 08.15.2014
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Reveen.
Edmonton Oilers |
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Location: BC Joined: 09.05.2016
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How bout you let us worry about our goaltending in the playoffs, and you just worry about getting a sniff of playoff action in period. - Flamin_Irishmin
Meh we went two years ago and won a round... what have you guys done lately. |
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Mr. Bobby always sides with LittleRicky. - smellmyfinger
Yeah you do |
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4-0 Canucks because Horvat. |
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CakeEater
Edmonton Oilers |
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Location: Toronto, ON Joined: 01.10.2016
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Frustrating that Gravel sits while Manning/Benning play. Just nonsense. |
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Frustrating that Gravel sits while Manning/Benning play. Just nonsense. - CakeEater
showcasing for a trade |
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RatedR80
Edmonton Oilers |
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Joined: 10.17.2013
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showcasing for a trade - LittleRickyV2
You think they would play Gravel with Benning so Benning could look half decent
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ruttager17
Edmonton Oilers |
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Location: "Don't worry about me, worry about yourself". -EKLB DNZ supreme , AB Joined: 10.21.2011
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Flamin_Irishmin
Calgary Flames |
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Location: Victoria B.C., BC Joined: 09.15.2015
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Meh we went two years ago and won a round... what have you guys done lately. - Reveen.
Yup |
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EdmHockeyMan
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Location: Lumbridge, AB Joined: 06.24.2013
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4-0 Canucks because Horvat. - MaximumBone
So... Simmonds...
How about that 5v5 PDO trend as of the last few (3 years)? 2-3% below 100 (.97-.98ish) each year.
Might suggest that there is more than meets the eye?
Kind of more than just a coincidence this is also when we see a significant drop in CF% & FF% relative during this timeframe. Possibly?
Not to mention during the 2015-2016 season where Simmonds posted career highs in all metrics, he had a "perfect" PDO of 100. Interesting...
As for 5v5 CF% numbers when away from teammates (without based metrics), it seems to be that a few notable teammates see their CF% go down when Simmonds is away from them, while Simmonds CF% goes up away from the respective teammate (this year). This includes Nolan Patrick (100 minutes), Ivan Provorov (238 minutes), & JVR (155 minutes). All see a fluctuation in CF% from 1-5%.
So maybe it may be due to lineups? This could lead to why he is playing with Weal for the majority of his 5v5 ice time (237) as they "seem" to have a positive +CF% contribution (53+% with metrics). Interesting enough, Weal posts a high CF% without Simmonds either. So how do we go with this?
Regardless (and kind of my point here), throughout his career, he has had a relatively subpar CF% rel compared to his teammates, even when his PDO was high (-6! CF% in 2010/2011 when his PDO was 101.0). Even then, we would have all dreamed of having the 4-5 year younger version of Simmonds on this team in a heartbeat! So maybe CF% rel would be an inaccurate way at looking at Simmonds Case or should I say, maybe we shouldn't put much weight on it for his case?
All in all, Wayne Simmonds brings in a lot of things for any team, even now. Tenacity, speed, strength, size, and skill. His effectiveness on the PP and PK. Sure his 5v5 numbers may be skeptical, but if you look past that and take into consideration PDO metrics, along with his historical 5vv5 metrics, he is a player that at the right price, any team would want right now. However, due to his injury history and style of play, on top of price complications, he isn't in the Oilers best interests atm.
All stats are taken from the 5v5 metrics on hockeyreference and naturalstattrick. |
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So... Simmonds...
How about that 5v5 PDO trend as of the last few (3 years)? 2-3% below 100 (.97-.98ish) each year.
Might suggest that there is more than meets the eye?
Kind of more than just a coincidence this is also when we see a significant drop in CF% & FF% relative during this timeframe. Possibly?
Not to mention during the 2015-2016 season where Simmonds posted career highs in all metrics, he had a "perfect" PDO of 100. Interesting...
As for 5v5 CF% numbers when away from teammates (without based metrics), it seems to be that a few notable teammates see their CF% go down when Simmonds is away from them, while Simmonds CF% goes up away from the respective teammate (this year). This includes Nolan Patrick (100 minutes), Ivan Provorov (238 minutes), & JVR (155 minutes). All see a fluctuation in CF% from 1-5%.
So maybe it may be due to lineups? This could lead to why he is playing with Weal for the majority of his 5v5 ice time (237) as they "seem" to have a positive +CF% contribution (53+% with metrics). Interesting enough, Weal posts a high CF% without Simmonds either. So how do we go with this?
Regardless (and kind of my point here), throughout his career, he has had a relatively subpar CF% rel compared to his teammates, even when his PDO was high (-6! CF% in 2010/2011 when his PDO was 101.0). Even then, we would have all dreamed of having the 4-5 year younger version of Simmonds on this team in a heartbeat! So maybe CF% rel would be an inaccurate way at looking at Simmonds Case or should I say, maybe we shouldn't put much weight on it for his case?
All in all, Wayne Simmonds brings in a lot of things for any team, even now. Tenacity, speed, strength, size, and skill. His effectiveness on the PP and PK. Sure his 5v5 numbers may be skeptical, but if you look past that and take into consideration PDO metrics, along with his historical 5vv5 metrics, he is a player that at the right price, any team would want right now. However, due to his injury history and style of play, on top of price complications, he isn't in the Oilers best interests atm.
All stats are taken from the 5v5 metrics on hockeyreference and naturalstattrick. - EdmHockeyMan
Well someone has another crush I see.
At least this one makes more statistical/organizational sense than Marchenko. |
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EdmHockeyMan
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Location: Lumbridge, AB Joined: 06.24.2013
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EdmHockeyMan
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Location: Lumbridge, AB Joined: 06.24.2013
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So... Simmonds...
How about that 5v5 PDO trend as of the last few (3 years)? 2-3% below 100 (.97-.98ish) each year.
Might suggest that there is more than meets the eye?
Kind of more than just a coincidence this is also when we see a significant drop in CF% & FF% relative during this timeframe. Possibly?
Not to mention during the 2015-2016 season where Simmonds posted career highs in all metrics, he had a "perfect" PDO of 100. Interesting...
As for 5v5 CF% numbers when away from teammates (without based metrics), it seems to be that a few notable teammates see their CF% go down when Simmonds is away from them, while Simmonds CF% goes up away from the respective teammate (this year). This includes Nolan Patrick (100 minutes), Ivan Provorov (238 minutes), & JVR (155 minutes). All see a fluctuation in CF% from 1-5%.
So maybe it may be due to lineups? This could lead to why he is playing with Weal for the majority of his 5v5 ice time (237) as they "seem" to have a positive +CF% contribution (53+% with metrics). Interesting enough, Weal posts a high CF% without Simmonds either. So how do we go with this?
Regardless (and kind of my point here), throughout his career, he has had a relatively subpar CF% rel compared to his teammates, even when his PDO was high (-6! CF% in 2010/2011 when his PDO was 101.0). Even then, we would have all dreamed of having the 4-5 year younger version of Simmonds on this team in a heartbeat! So maybe CF% rel would be an inaccurate way at looking at Simmonds Case or should I say, maybe we shouldn't put much weight on it for his case?
All in all, Wayne Simmonds brings in a lot of things for any team, even now. Tenacity, speed, strength, size, and skill. His effectiveness on the PP and PK. Sure his 5v5 numbers may be skeptical, but if you look past that and take into consideration PDO metrics, along with his historical 5vv5 metrics, he is a player that at the right price, any team would want right now. However, due to his injury history and style of play, on top of price complications, he isn't in the Oilers best interests atm.
All stats are taken from the 5v5 metrics on hockeyreference and naturalstattrick. - EdmHockeyMan
In this case, I think his consistently sub-average PDO should be more of a sign that he's doing something wrong or that his line doesn't score well along with his goalies being bad. However, since the goalies are the same for the rest of the team, then that sub-average sv% should be consistent unless either a.) Simmonds is a detriment to his team defensively at 5-on-5 or b.) his linemates are dragging him down defensively. Given the variety of linemates, we have samples to determine which is true.
The consistency in which he's outscored or negatively impacts linemates GF is a big factor for me. I'm away from home so I can't dive too heavily into this, but another time. |
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Ah well though, Marchenko didn't pan out in the NHL. You learn from your mistakes/judgment and move on. Best way to look at that scenario. - EdmHockeyMan
I just like busting your balls sir. I'm expecting the exact same treatment if Nurse doesn't hit 40 this year. |
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Mr.Bobby
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Location: If you don't chew Big Red, then **** you. Joined: 05.26.2016
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