Says it all...working awesome for Vancouver and Arizona eh.

2017-18
Record: Buffalo, Ottawa, Arizona
Actual: Buffalo, Carolina, Montreal

2016-17
Record: Colorado, Vancouver, Arizona
Actual: New Jersey, Philadelphia, Dallas

2015-16
Record: Toronto, Edmonton, Vancouver
Actual: Toronto, Winnipeg, Columbus

2014-15
Record: Buffalo, Arizona, Edmonton
Actual: Edmonton, Buffalo, Arizona
- Glak18

How'd Edmonton and Toronto do? you do know what 1 in 5 means right? 1 out of every 5, hence teams not getting the first pick.....

I don’t like the five man unit idea against Boston.
- SuperSchennBros

Weise cleared.

They will get burned soon enough. Jake at the top of any of 5 forward pp unit is hilarious

There are 11 points separating the bottom 16 teams and 6 points separating the bottom 10 teams. It would speak volumes about the team’s pride if they finished bottom 10.
- Sinisalo4vr

To continue to flounder like they have and finish 5th worst would be infuriating IMO.

Best odds of getting the #1 pick are about 18.5% - not worth "racing" for
- Scoob

It’s also about getting in the top 3. Finish last overall you have a 49% chance at it

It’s also about getting in the top 3. Finish last overall you have a 49% chance at it
- Just5

Someone is using their brain.

Ok please list reasons why....
- Glak18

Because 18.5% rules!!!!!

How'd Edmonton and Toronto do? you do know what 1 in 5 means right? 1 out of every 5, hence teams not getting the first pick.....
- ClaudeFather

Again you are not getting the point, I get that 18.5% is better than 2.2%....

Flyers finish dead last but end up picking 4th overall, what's the benefit?

Unless finishing last is GUARANTEED to pick #1, the benefit is very SMALL and risky. Like you said 1 out of 5, so that means tanking 5 seasons just to get the #1 pick once.

It’s also about getting in the top 3. Finish last overall you have a 49% chance at it
- Just5

To get there you have to intentionally tank which, imho, is a horrible thing to do. It is good for nobody and could still backfire.

Somewhere along the line, Ghost just stopped being a shooting threat. Guy has to get into the mentality of just ripping it when it's on his stick, shot-blockers be damned.
- Tomahawk

In my opinion the best PP quarterback we had was Kimmo Timonem who rarely scored as he got older but still collected points regularly.

Timonen knee exactly when to shoot hard, wrist the puck towards the net and had vision to get pucks through if need be. Timonen was a smart player who looked for the tape of Simmonds and Hartnell blade. I don’t think we’ve had this element for a very long time.

It doesn’t help if Couturier is gonna play more like a river, rather then a double screen.

Lose for 18.5% Frick yea!

To continue to flounder like they have and finish 5th worst would be infuriating IMO.
- ClaudeFather

I honestly don’t think it’s possible that this team plays that poorly for an additional two months. Although I have been wrong many many times

Again you are not getting the point, I get that 18.5% is better than 2.2%....

Flyers finish dead last but end up picking 4th overall, what's the benefit?

Unless finishing last is GUARANTEED to pick #1, the benefit is very SMALL and risky. Like you said 1 out of 5, so that means tanking 5 seasons just to get the #1 pick once.
- Glak18

Because you get an 18.5% chance of getting the top pick..... last to 5th worst might be like 4 points dude, this is my point. We didn't finish strong coming in 5th worst.....

[quote=Sinisalo4vr]
I've been saying this for months now, we will turn it around....

So Weise clearing waivers means he will be on the top line next week?

Sometimes when you are losing and you’re playing as though you have nothing to lose, you do better. However if you play to lose, you will lose. I can’t support trying to lose, there is nothing to be gained from it. Play to win and let the lottery balls fall where they may.

I always want to win. Let’s go Flyers!

I believe the thinking with ghost on the second unit was to help them out and have his skills with the puck help create chances for the second unit.
Ghost hasn’t done much on the 1st PP when he’s been on it. I attribute that to it’s either G or Ghost with the puck and they both play the same side of the ice so pressure them and watch that unit struggle. Simmonds and to some extent Jake are prone to turnovers when pressed in tight.
Coots IMO should be high slot and help work the mid boards and get himself open for one timers.
Even having Nopa in the slot and able to work from behind the net would take pressure off of G and Ghost.
I would still rather have Ghost PP1.
- bird_dog_pa

I’m going Giroux on the left half wall, Voracek on the right, Ghost at the top of the umbrella, Simmonds in the crease and JvR taking over for Coots. Screening goalies is natural to Simmonds and JvR.

I actually believe Patrick on the left wall, Provorov on the right wall, Sanheim at the top of the umbrella, Couturier in the crease and Konecny in the slot could be interesting.

[quote=ClaudeFather]
In other words, picking anywhere between 10-15.

To get there you have to intentionally tank which, imho, is a horrible thing to do. It is good for nobody and could still backfire.
- Scoob

I’m not too worried about it. With This 5 forward pp unit, might as well throw another ball with the flyer logo in there

they are putting Jake at the point on the PP to raise his defensive awareness.

Because you get an 18.5% chance of getting the top pick..... last to 5th worst might be like 4 points dude, this is my point. We didn't finish strong coming in 5th worst.....
- ClaudeFather

Then you have the discussion of what the difference of hoping the Flyers get good odds to win the first overall pick and actually what tanking is. Neither is the same.

Tanking refers to selling off assets to ensure a better chance just to get better odds. So doing all that at the expense of hurting the team in other ways so the team has a chance to pick 4th so a team that just missed the playoffs by 1 point picks 1st, it may not happen, but the odds are still there.

I want Hughes or Kakko...picking #3 or lower will make me extremely disappointed, but what would be more disappointing would be finishing dead last and still not getting either.

Sometimes when you are losing and you’re playing as though you have nothing to lose, you do better. However if you play to lose, you will lose. I can’t support trying to lose, there is nothing to be gained from it. Play to win and let the lottery balls fall where they may.

I always want to win. Let’s go Flyers!
- NC Flyers Fan

yup

Then you have the discussion of what the difference of hoping the Flyers get good odds to win the first overall pick and actually what tanking is. Neither is the same.

Tanking refers to selling off assets to ensure a better chance just to get better odds. So doing all that at the expense of hurting the team in other ways so the team has a chance to pick 4th so a team that just missed the playoffs by 1 point picks 1st, it may not happen, but the odds are still there.

I want Hughes or Kakko...picking #3 or lower will make me extremely disappointed, but what would be more disappointing would be finishing dead last and still not getting either.
- Glak18

Umm are we tanking right now? No, but we are second to last in the entire NHL....Obviously it would be disappointing finishing 1-2 worst and missing the top 2 picks but this is the reality we are in.

At the end of the day these guys are all professionals and should try and get better everyday. The young guys need to continue to improve.
Now if that happens and the young guys learn what it’s like to lose and they become ok with it then send them packing.
If playing your best and giving maximum effort every day results in a lottery pick then so be it.
The truth is nothing the real world your not going to have IT every game but the effort can still be there.
It would be hard to see these guys go on a big run and drop out of the top ten after suffering through just over half a season of a mess. On the other hand I want to see Hart, Nopa, Provy, Sanheim, TK etc end the year on a positive note.

https://nhl.nbcsports.com...cratch-struggling-backes/

Interesting quotes from backes who is having problems staying in the lineup. Talking about the speed of the young players and the game today

I don't think people understand a bad season verse a losing culture. This season however it ends, dead last or 10th worst in the league will not define the guys in our locker room nor will it cripple the development of the young guys. A losing culture would be the Edmonton Oilers of years past where they continue to pick at the top and nothing ever go right, no one enjoys playing, guys don't reach their potential. Taylor Hall leaves and ha s a career year, wins MVP.