FLYERS UPDATE

UFA UPDATE
Lehtera ->
Simmonds ->
Raffl ->
Weal -> Arizona - 2019 6th (Arizona) and Jacob Graves
Varone ->
Knight ->
Carey ->
Folin ->
Elliott ->
Neuvirth ->
McKenna ->

SIGNED TRADE BAIT
Weise -> Has absolutely ZERO value (confirmed)
Gudas ->
MacDonald ->
- Glak18

Hmm
Pretty much every UFA on this list barring the minor league vets and perhaps Raffl won’t be here next season. Personally I don’t think Gudas is going anywhere as the Flyers probably want more than one RH shot in their D group next year and there is no one they’re gonna get in FA that will be enough of an upgrade to likely be worth what it will cost to sign them.

As far as AMac and Mr Ed go, both will likely be offered to every team in the NHL with the Flyers offering to retain 50%. Odds are they might get a taker on AMac. If not, he’s probably either the 7th D or playing in the minors next season. Weise is likely looking at being a spare forward at best, or enjoying some bus rides for most of the upcoming season.

Hmm
Pretty much every UFA on this list barring the minor league vets and perhaps Raffl won’t be here next season. Personally I don’t think Gudas is going anywhere as the Flyers probably want more than one RH shot in their D group next year and there is no one they’re gonna get in FA that will be enough of an upgrade to likely be worth what it will cost to sign them.

As far as AMac and Mr Ed go, both will likely be offered to every team in the NHL with the Flyers offering to retain 50%. Odds are they might get a taker on AMac. If not, he’s probably either the 7th D or playing in the minors next season. Weise is likely looking at being a spare forward at best, or enjoying some bus rides for most of the upcoming season.
- BiggE

Oh Wilbur

I'm expecting Weise to be traded now with salary retained.
- FlyerFan16

Someone was willing to trade for Weal AND give up something. Weise makes 600K more with a year left, you really can't get any more negative value than that.

What other teams want:
Weise (50% retained) and 2019 1st for conditions

Could we not pry Jake Muzzin out of LA. One more year at 4K and just a few years ago he played on the World Cup Team. Has he fallen that far, seems like a good physical stay at home guy that could be in the top 4.

Kudos to the Flower. Should have been a penalty but funny as hell.



That convo on the bench had to be fun
- dragonoffrost

He is building a wall and has Jets paying for it.

Kudos to the Flower. Should have been a penalty but funny as hell.



That convo on the bench had to be fun
- dragonoffrost

That's good hustle by Flower there.

Could we not pry Jake Muzzin out of LA. One more year at 4K and just a few years ago he played on the World Cup Team. Has he fallen that far, seems like a good physical stay at home guy that could be in the top 4.
- Daceroni

Muzzin really isn't a physical stay at home defenseman. Two way puck mover type.

Muzzin really isn't a physical stay at home defenseman. Two way puck mover type.
- MJL

Even Better!

Even Better!
- Daceroni

I haven't seen enough of him the last few years to know if his play has dropped off or not. Hs been a really solid player in the past.

"Lose for Hughes" doesn't just mean being a seller. Finishing 31st would mean that Provorov and Ghost probably struggle the rest of the season, Patrick's big game on Monday was an aberration and he struggles, Hart either goes back to the Phantoms or hits a wall and struggles. If those players do well, there will be still be enough vets remaining (Giroux especially, but also Couturier and others) to not finish last in the NHL.

The Flyers are going to be a lottery team, and the lottery luck will be whatever it will be. But if the purpose is to get better as a team and have the outlook for next season and beyond be considerably brighter than it is for this season, it is short-sighted (IMO) to think that the implications of finishing last -- as pertains to the second-half performances of the aforementioned players, and perhaps also to someone like Konecny -- would be magically cured by an 18.5 percent of drafting first and taking Hughes.

A best-case scenario for the Flyers is that Provorov and Ghost get back on track, Hart continues to play well, Patrick surges in the second half, and the Flyers still fare decently in the lottery. Add that to collecting assets (which can then be packaged pre-draft for NHL-level help) and having a lot of cap space this summer, and that's a brighter outlook both for next year and beyond. At least that's how I see it.
- bmeltzer

May be this is too early, and a summer topic for you... But, there's a lot of talk of Hughes... Bill, briefly, how does the draft look overall, and more specifically the top 15.

Dear Lord,
Please let Weise be on his way to LHV

Thanks
- BiggE

its a 1 horse race now

its a 1 horse race now
- wcorvette

He fell coming out of the gates.

He fell coming out of the gates.
- dragonoffrost

he is glued to the bench

I haven't seen enough of him the last few years to know if his play has dropped off or not. Hs been a really solid player in the past.
- MJL

For 4 mill I think it is worth it to researc is it not?

I have to admit, looking at Boston’s record, I expected it to be better. The way NHL highlights Boston, you would think they would front runners for the Cup.

With this said, if we reach OT, that would be a victory in itself. I’m expecting a loss. I’m expecting to get scored on shorthanded by this new look five forward Power Play. It’s just fact that Marchand and Bergeron are dangerous shorthanded (No idea if either are playing tonight).

I don’t understand the mindset of Hakstol or Gordon. What good is Gostisbehere without top unit PP time? He has passing ability, vision and the best point shot on the team. Voracek is getting shots through but his shot isn’t very hard, he isn’t defensively responsible, nor does he have wheels like Ghost to catch up to a guy looking to create an offensive chance shorthanded.

Now, I know many of you are going to accuse me of pooping on Coots but I would argue that Giroux, Voracek, Ghost, JvR And Simmonds are masters at their draft on the PP. I think Couturier has the ability to make the second unit better. Coots just doesn’t play the slot as good as Hartnell or Schenn. I also don’t think having him on the left half wall is the answer.

I think the five man forward unit hurts us tonight.

I have to admit, looking at Boston’s record, I expected it to be better. The way NHL highlights Boston, you would think they would front runners for the Cup.

With this said, if we reach OT, that would be a victory in itself. I’m expecting a loss. I’m expecting to get scored on shorthanded by this new look five forward Power Play. It’s just fact that Marchand and Bergeron are dangerous shorthanded (No idea if either are playing tonight).

I don’t understand the mindset of Hakstol or Gordon. What good is Gostisbehere without top unit PP time? He has passing ability, vision and the best point shot on the team. Voracek is getting shots through but his shot isn’t very hard, he isn’t defensively responsible, nor does he have wheels like Ghost to catch up to a guy looking to create an offensive chance shorthanded.

Now, I know many of you are going to accuse me of pooping on Coots but I would argue that Giroux, Voracek, Ghost, JvR And Simmonds are masters at their draft on the PP. I think Couturier has the ability to make the second unit better. Coots just doesn’t play the slot as good as Hartnell or Schenn. I also don’t think having him on the left half wall is the answer.

I think the five man forward unit hurts us tonight.
- SuperSchennBros

not sure I am good with the 5 O PP but I am curious to see what Ghost can do on the 2nd unit with the kids.

I have to admit, looking at Boston’s record, I expected it to be better. The way NHL highlights Boston, you would think they would front runners for the Cup.

With this said, if we reach OT, that would be a victory in itself. I’m expecting a loss. I’m expecting to get scored on shorthanded by this new look five forward Power Play. It’s just fact that Marchand and Bergeron are dangerous shorthanded (No idea if either are playing tonight).

I don’t understand the mindset of Hakstol or Gordon. What good is Gostisbehere without top unit PP time? He has passing ability, vision and the best point shot on the team. Voracek is getting shots through but his shot isn’t very hard, he isn’t defensively responsible, nor does he have wheels like Ghost to catch up to a guy looking to create an offensive chance shorthanded.

Now, I know many of you are going to accuse me of pooping on Coots but I would argue that Giroux, Voracek, Ghost, JvR And Simmonds are masters at their draft on the PP. I think Couturier has the ability to make the second unit better. Coots just doesn’t play the slot as good as Hartnell or Schenn. I also don’t think having him on the left half wall is the answer.

I think the five man forward unit hurts us tonight.
- SuperSchennBros

I doubt Ghost will be off PP1 for long. I suspect the 5F PP formation is just Gordon and Knoblauch trying something, anything, different.

WHERE DA TRADES AT

I doubt Ghost will be off PP1 for long. I suspect the 5F PP formation is just Gordon and Knoblauch trying something, anything, different.
- johndewar

I don’t like the five man unit idea against Boston.

I have to admit, looking at Boston’s record, I expected it to be better. The way NHL highlights Boston, you would think they would front runners for the Cup.

With this said, if we reach OT, that would be a victory in itself. I’m expecting a loss. I’m expecting to get scored on shorthanded by this new look five forward Power Play. It’s just fact that Marchand and Bergeron are dangerous shorthanded (No idea if either are playing tonight).

I don’t understand the mindset of Hakstol or Gordon. What good is Gostisbehere without top unit PP time? He has passing ability, vision and the best point shot on the team. Voracek is getting shots through but his shot isn’t very hard, he isn’t defensively responsible, nor does he have wheels like Ghost to catch up to a guy looking to create an offensive chance shorthanded.

Now, I know many of you are going to accuse me of pooping on Coots but I would argue that Giroux, Voracek, Ghost, JvR And Simmonds are masters at their draft on the PP. I think Couturier has the ability to make the second unit better. Coots just doesn’t play the slot as good as Hartnell or Schenn. I also don’t think having him on the left half wall is the answer.

I think the five man forward unit hurts us tonight.
- SuperSchennBros

maybe the flyers are trying to showcase someone else

I doubt Ghost will be off PP1 for long. I suspect the 5F PP formation is just Gordon and Knoblauch trying something, anything, different.
- johndewar

I actually think Couturier would be a good player around the net on a unit of Patrick, Konecny, Provorov and Sanheim.

Kudos to the Flower. Should have been a penalty but funny as hell.



That convo on the bench had to be fun
- dragonoffrost

Every time I try to dislike that guy he does something to thwart me

I doubt Ghost will be off PP1 for long. I suspect the 5F PP formation is just Gordon and Knoblauch trying something, anything, different.
- johndewar

One, two max, goals against that formation and it'll be shelved for good.

Every time I try to dislike that guy he does something to thwart me
- Scoob

He was on Spittin Chiclets recently, funny guy.

I understand both sides of the coin when dealing with a prospect drafted out of the USNP, but as a business/life decision it's a no brainer.

Prospects tend to have two reasons to stay in school, which normally are connected to each other:
1) Parents want them to get a degree
2) The parents/prospect want something to fall back on if sports doesn't work out

Both are extremely understandable, but if you want a pro career the sooner the better will always win out. Many players get their degrees while playing and in my opinion is a hell of a lot easier to get it that way, especially in the offseason. Ok you don't get the "college experience", but I would rather have the "making money and being comfortable later in life experience". Again it also depends on the prospect and their likelihood of a pro career is...1st round talent compared to a 5th rounder is much much different.

First year of school is probably the toughest for adjustment so going for one year isn't that big of a deal and can be useful for development. Now if the player plans on going for the full 4 years now they risk injury which could jeopardize their scholarship and risks them from actually getting a pro contract to begin with. Then even if you do make it through all 4 years, get that degree, they are now starting behind others at 22-23 years old and then factor in their performance/progression during those years.

Now you look at top prospects that get their first pro salary (750-900K) and that's enough to have a paid off house, car and zero debt. As a starting point in life it makes life as easy as it can get, not many people start like that. I mean I was in school, got my first software job at 19 and started at 55K and that made life so much easier, now imagine everything paid off too. If a person can have very little expense to start and somehow is hurting later in life, they screwed up big time along the way.

Again if you are a top prospect with a good shot at playing in the NHL, to me it makes little sense to go for more than one year to school.
- Glak18

Schooling is by far the smartest thing a player can do. Yea Becoming a pro is the main goal but all it takes is on hit to end your career. If the injury impacts your ability to work at all you are f'd your entire life. Whats a guy like him going to do if he gets crippled within the first year of his pro career?