Prospective teams are taking him out for tryout trots this morning.
- BiggE

your Weise performance since him being waived has been good, but I expect more...

"Lose for Hughes" doesn't just mean being a seller. Finishing 31st would mean that Provorov and Ghost probably struggle the rest of the season, Patrick's big game on Monday was an aberration and he struggles, Hart either goes back to the Phantoms or hits a wall and struggles. If those players do well, there will be still be enough vets remaining (Giroux especially, but also Couturier and others) to not finish last in the NHL.

The Flyers are going to be a lottery team, and the lottery luck will be whatever it will be. But if the purpose is to get better as a team and have the outlook for next season and beyond be considerably brighter than it is for this season, it is short-sighted (IMO) to think that the implications of finishing last -- as pertains to the second-half performances of the aforementioned players, and perhaps also to someone like Konecny -- would be magically cured by an 18.5 percent of drafting first and taking Hughes.

A best-case scenario for the Flyers is that Provorov and Ghost get back on track, Hart continues to play well, Patrick surges in the second half, and the Flyers still fare decently in the lottery. Add that to collecting assets (which can then be packaged pre-draft for NHL-level help) and having a lot of cap space this summer, and that's a brighter outlook both for next year and beyond. At least that's how I see it.
- bmeltzer

Have to see what happens. If he is not claimed, he could remain with the team.
- MJL

Absolutely a possibility.

Only thing I think about this is that, when Weise was put on waivers earlier this year, it was by Hextall, who had signed Weise and might have felt an attachment to him.

Fletcher has no such attachments to Weise.

But with that said, you might be right.

"Lose for Hughes" doesn't just mean being a seller. Finishing 31st would mean that Provorov and Ghost probably struggle the rest of the season, Patrick's big game on Monday was an aberration and he struggles, Hart either goes back to the Phantoms or hits a wall and struggles. If those players do well, there will be still be enough vets remaining (Giroux especially, but also Couturier and others) to not finish last in the NHL.

The Flyers are going to be a lottery team, and the lottery luck will be whatever it will be. But if the purpose is to get better as a team and have the outlook for next season and beyond be considerably brighter than it is for this season, it is short-sighted (IMO) to think that the implications of finishing last -- as pertains to the second-half performances of the aforementioned players, and perhaps also to someone like Konecny -- would be magically cured by an 18.5 percent of drafting first and taking Hughes.

A best-case scenario for the Flyers is that Provorov and Ghost get back on track, Hart continues to play well, Patrick surges in the second half, and the Flyers still fare decently in the lottery. Add that to collecting assets (which can then be packaged pre-draft for NHL-level help) and having a lot of cap space this summer, and that's a brighter outlook both for next year and beyond. At least that's how I see it.
- bmeltzer

/micdrop

Thanks Bill

Absolutely a possibility.

Only thing I think about this is that, when Weise was put on waivers earlier this year, it was by Hextall, who had signed Weise and might have felt an attachment to him.

Fletcher has no such attachments to Weise.

But with that said, you might be right.
- johndewar

More of the feel this go around, as Bill and myself said, players sure seemed to react as he's gone. We shall see.

He could, yes. However, that wasn't the vibe yesterday. It is also not the norm to put out a press release to announce a player is on waivers. Only the subsequent roster move of AHL assignment if a player is unclaimed usually brings about an official announcement.
- bmeltzer

PR move. Waived Weise to sell more tickets?

Weise played in 42 straight games before being healthy scratched and then put on waivers.

If the plan is to replace him with Lehtera and go with only 12 forwards on the roster that would be inexplicable.

PR move. Waived Weise to sell more tickets?
- MJL

Lowest price on Stubhub for tonight is $14.

There are Scoob preferred seats (200 level, first couple rows, between the blue lines) for $29. That's about $20 cheaper than the last time I checked (vs Calgary) but being a week night may be factoring in.

I bought tickets solely to grab a Gritty doll tonight. Wish me luck; they sold old before puck drop the night of Hart’s debut.
- arichardson22

grab me one too

"Lose for Hughes" doesn't just mean being a seller. Finishing 31st would mean that Provorov and Ghost probably struggle the rest of the season, Patrick's big game on Monday was an aberration and he struggles, Hart either goes back to the Phantoms or hits a wall and struggles. If those players do well, there will be still be enough vets remaining (Giroux especially, but also Couturier and others) to not finish last in the NHL.

The Flyers are going to be a lottery team, and the lottery luck will be whatever it will be. But if the purpose is to get better as a team and have the outlook for next season and beyond be considerably brighter than it is for this season, it is short-sighted (IMO) to think that the implications of finishing last -- as pertains to the second-half performances of the aforementioned players, and perhaps also to someone like Konecny -- would be magically cured by an 18.5 percent of drafting first and taking Hughes.

A best-case scenario for the Flyers is that Provorov and Ghost get back on track, Hart continues to play well, Patrick surges in the second half, and the Flyers still fare decently in the lottery. Add that to collecting assets (which can then be packaged pre-draft for NHL-level help) and having a lot of cap space this summer, and that's a brighter outlook both for next year and beyond. At least that's how I see it.
- bmeltzer

Those things could still happen and we could still be a bottom 5 team. There is no better way to acquire affordable elite talent than the draft. Hughes or kakko would provide a huge lift to this team for next season and future seasons. Panarin Bob or any of those free agents what incentive do they have to sign into this mess unless we over pay? Saying flexibility is good and all but only if you can use it on something worthwhile. I dont see this sunshine and Rose's scenario. We need to do something to get better. Hughes or kakko could be an obvious route.

Those things could still happen and we could still be a bottom 5 team. There is no better way to acquire affordable elite talent than the draft. Hughes or kakko would provide a huge lift to this team for next season and future seasons. Panarin Bob or any of those free agents what incentive do they have to sign into this mess unless we over pay? Saying flexibility is good and all but only if you can use it on something worthwhile. I dont see this sunshine and Rose's scenario. We need to do something to get better. Hughes or kakko could be an obvious route.
- Tfaehner

In essence, in hoping to race to the bottom, you are more or less saying you don't care how the younger core of the team (Provorov, Ghost, Konecny, Patrick, Lindblom, Hart) fares from here on out.

The Flyers are already done like dinner. They aren't going to the playoffs.

But hoping for the tank just means you're kinda hoping those guys still struggle, which I don't think is good for the long term health of the franchise.

The Flyers are already gonna get a talented player where they draft.

I doubt most people throwing those names out (Hughes or Kakko) could pick out either in a police lineup if their lives depended on it, forget ever having seen them actually play.

Those things could still happen and we could still be a bottom 5 team. There is no better way to acquire affordable elite talent than the draft. Hughes or kakko would provide a huge lift to this team for next season and future seasons. Panarin Bob or any of those free agents what incentive do they have to sign into this mess unless we over pay? Saying flexibility is good and all but only if you can use it on something worthwhile. I dont see this sunshine and Rose's scenario. We need to do something to get better. Hughes or kakko could be an obvious route.
- Tfaehner

Have a new coach like Q signed on before July 1 and free agents may look differently at here.

Those things could still happen and we could still be a bottom 5 team. There is no better way to acquire affordable elite talent than the draft. Hughes or kakko would provide a huge lift to this team for next season and future seasons. Panarin Bob or any of those free agents what incentive do they have to sign into this mess unless we over pay? Saying flexibility is good and all but only if you can use it on something worthwhile. I dont see this sunshine and Rose's scenario. We need to do something to get better. Hughes or kakko could be an obvious route.
- Tfaehner

👍

In essence, in hoping to race to the bottom, you are more or less saying you don't care how the younger core of the team (Provorov, Ghost, Konecny, Patrick, Lindblom, Hart) fares from here on out.

The Flyers are already done like dinner. They aren't going to the playoffs.

But hoping for the tank just means you're kinda hoping those guys still struggle, which I don't think is good for the long term health of the franchise.

The Flyers are already gonna get a talented player where they draft.

I doubt most people throwing those names out (Hughes or Kakko) could pick out either in a police lineup if their lives depended on it, forget ever having seen them actually play.
- johndewar

I'm not one of those guys and the talent level falls off significantly after those 2. The rest are long term projects. Hart hasn't struggled. Sanheim hagg have shown signs of improvement. But trading away some our free agents we wont be re signing we are likely going to take a step back. Even if the young guys play better. Nobody is hoping we suck the rest the year. I want to see competitive hockey. But to desire Hughes or kakko imo is absolutely worth hoping for.

Our organization is embarassing beyond just the team on the ice. I dont see anyone wanting to come here.

In essence, in hoping to race to the bottom, you are more or less saying you don't care how the younger core of the team (Provorov, Ghost, Konecny, Patrick, Lindblom, Hart) fares from here on out.

The Flyers are already done like dinner. They aren't going to the playoffs.

But hoping for the tank just means you're kinda hoping those guys still struggle, which I don't think is good for the long term health of the franchise.

The Flyers are already gonna get a talented player where they draft.

I doubt most people throwing those names out (Hughes or Kakko) could pick out either in a police lineup if their lives depended on it, forget ever having seen them actually play.
- johndewar

Having seen them play shouldn't be rare - they were both at the WJC.

The fact is Fletcher has already started tanking by replacing Weal and Weise in the lineup with the inferior versions of them, Varone and Lehtera, and by playing Folin instead of calling up Myers when MacDonald was hurt. The media would be better served writing about that, than attacking fans who simply hope that the Flyers will get an elite talent in the draft. Unlike the actions of the GM, what fans want or feel has no impact on what the team actually does on the ice.

"Lose for Hughes" doesn't just mean being a seller. Finishing 31st would mean that Provorov and Ghost probably struggle the rest of the season, Patrick's big game on Monday was an aberration and he struggles, Hart either goes back to the Phantoms or hits a wall and struggles. If those players do well, there will be still be enough vets remaining (Giroux especially, but also Couturier and others) to not finish last in the NHL.

The Flyers are going to be a lottery team, and the lottery luck will be whatever it will be. But if the purpose is to get better as a team and have the outlook for next season and beyond be considerably brighter than it is for this season, it is short-sighted (IMO) to think that the implications of finishing last -- as pertains to the second-half performances of the aforementioned players, and perhaps also to someone like Konecny -- would be magically cured by an 18.5 percent of drafting first and taking Hughes.

A best-case scenario for the Flyers is that Provorov and Ghost get back on track, Hart continues to play well, Patrick surges in the second half, and the Flyers still fare decently in the lottery. Add that to collecting assets (which can then be packaged pre-draft for NHL-level help) and having a lot of cap space this summer, and that's a brighter outlook both for next year and beyond. At least that's how I see it.
- bmeltzer

Well said, Bill. Your level-headed voice of reason is always appreciated.

In essence, in hoping to race to the bottom, you are more or less saying you don't care how the younger core of the team (Provorov, Ghost, Konecny, Patrick, Lindblom, Hart) fares from here on out.

The Flyers are already done like dinner. They aren't going to the playoffs.

But hoping for the tank just means you're kinda hoping those guys still struggle, which I don't think is good for the long term health of the franchise.

The Flyers are already gonna get a talented player where they draft.

I doubt most people throwing those names out (Hughes or Kakko) could pick out either in a police lineup if their lives depended on it, forget ever having seen them actually play.
- johndewar

yup

As for the bold: boom! lol!!

Again, Hughes and Kakko were both on TV a lot just a few weeks ago at the WJC. You don't need to have watched streams of Liiga or USDP games to have seen them play hockey.

"Lose for Hughes" doesn't just mean being a seller. Finishing 31st would mean that Provorov and Ghost probably struggle the rest of the season, Patrick's big game on Monday was an aberration and he struggles, Hart either goes back to the Phantoms or hits a wall and struggles. If those players do well, there will be still be enough vets remaining (Giroux especially, but also Couturier and others) to not finish last in the NHL.

The Flyers are going to be a lottery team, and the lottery luck will be whatever it will be. But if the purpose is to get better as a team and have the outlook for next season and beyond be considerably brighter than it is for this season, it is short-sighted (IMO) to think that the implications of finishing last -- as pertains to the second-half performances of the aforementioned players, and perhaps also to someone like Konecny -- would be magically cured by an 18.5 percent of drafting first and taking Hughes.

A best-case scenario for the Flyers is that Provorov and Ghost get back on track, Hart continues to play well, Patrick surges in the second half, and the Flyers still fare decently in the lottery. Add that to collecting assets (which can then be packaged pre-draft for NHL-level help) and having a lot of cap space this summer, and that's a brighter outlook both for next year and beyond. At least that's how I see it.
- bmeltzer

If they move on from Simmonds, Raffl, and say there's a long term injury to a player like coots, Giroux, or ghost/provorov that would be all it would take. Aside from the goalies this team has been remarkably healthy. If their luck can run out in that department, some nhl players get traded off from the team (there aren't nhl caliber forwards on the phantoms) , they are likely looking at a bottom 3 scenario no matter how well the rest of them play.

Also tonight is a game that could be a loss even without tanking. Boston is a top team in the league. Heck with the 1A/1B tandem of Rask and Halak it's a tough go either way.

Also tonight is a game that could be a loss even without tanking. Boston is a top team in the league. Heck with the 1A/1B tandem of Rask and Halak it's a tough go either way.
- dragonoffrost

Every game could be a loss without tanking. But they are already tanking by Fletcher deliberately weakening the roster.

Every game could be a loss without tanking. But they are already tanking.
- Feanor

If this team was playing to their full potential and they were in a playoff spot. Beating Boston would not be a given.

Every game could be a loss without tanking. But they are already tanking by Fletcher deliberately weakening the roster.
- Feanor

Meyers > Amac and Folin, we get it.

Meyers > Amac and Folin, we get it.
- ClaudeFather

Not just that. There's also Varone and Lehtera on the 4th line. Two guys who will most likely never play another NHL game after this season.

Again, Hughes and Kakko were both on TV a lot just a few weeks ago at the WJC. You don't need to have watched streams of Liiga or USDP games to have seen them play hockey.
- Feanor

thanks

Not just that. There's also Varone and Lehtera on the 4th line. Two guys who will most likely never play another NHL game after this season.
- Feanor

Varone has not been bad and played well enough for a callup, obviously turnover last game but sh!t happens. I'd like to see NAK over Lehtera, but i don't want to hear anything about Vorobyev. He's warranted nothing to be called up, he had a good camp and that was it.