'at least 8-10 games according to the medical staff' .. that's what they said about Big Willy, right?
- plantheparade

That's what Kypreos said then it became gospel. I haven't got back into my working regimen yet since Christmas break can't imagine being off since May last year or whenever it was.

I keep hearing about Hamilton and how the Leafs should target him. Is this the same Hamilton that is behind Faulk and Pesce on the Canes right side? The same Hamilton that has been traded twice already in his young career? The same Hamilton who has persistent rumours that he's a weird dude?

Something tells me he's not be the droid we're looking for...

although he does say corsi..so I am not sure

doesnt matter. just watch the game
- senstroll

It's not hard to see the top 16 CF% aren't in the playoffs....no need to cry.

I was hoping you'd know since you reposted it and are a big graph guy.

I keep hearing about Hamilton and how the Leafs should target him. Is this the same Hamilton that is behind Faulk and Pesce on the Canes right side? The same Hamilton that has been traded twice already in his young career? The same Hamilton who has persistent rumours that he's a weird dude?

Something tells me he's not be the droid we're looking for...
- mjones242

After Slavin, Pesce and Faulk... Truth is, Hamilton is still a top 4 D-man, and we can use an upgrade to our top 4.

After Slavin, Pesce and Faulk... Truth is, Hamilton is still a top 4 D-man, and we can use an upgrade to our top 4.
- PatC80

I wouldnt pay a premium for him. Im not a fan of his however.

After Slavin, Pesce and Faulk... Truth is, Hamilton is still a top 4 D-man, and we can use an upgrade to our top 4.
- PatC80

No doubt Hamilton is better than anything we have on the right side. But there's red flags everywhere with Dougie.

Tbh, I'd much rather have Faulk or Pesce. It's a little telling that Hamilton is on the Canes' third pairing, no?

After Slavin, Pesce and Faulk... Truth is, Hamilton is still a top 4 D-man, and we can use an upgrade to our top 4.
- PatC80

5v5

Slavin TOI avg 17:17
de Haan 16:45
Faulk 16:15
Hamilton 16:10
Pesce 15:34

Faulk gets most pp mins with Hamilton and Slavin next 2

Some how Hamilton has the most shots on net for the whole team fw's and D

Doesn't seem like TO is interested, so maybe they know something too.

I wouldnt pay a premium for him. Im not a fan of his however.
- Archaic

I would rather go after Pesce and Ferland in a package deal.

Difference is with Jake you can say "makes too many boneheaded plays" and you could be right.
Not the same with Doughty. It happens but it's obviously much more rare.
Nobody has ever said good players never make mistakes.
Gardiner is CONSISTENT with his boneheadedness and that's what the point of all this is.
He's useful and has a lot of positives in his game, but still.. I can't wait til July so we don't have to do this poop every year. He'll be gone and hopefully replaced by someone better. That's up to Dubas.
- UsernameUnknown

I subscribe to the Athletic and read every game's report, where they diligently take notes so if I miss something, I'm sure they will have caught it. Same with MLHS: they do a Game Review after every game.

In no way shape or form is Gardiner making "boneheaded" plays on a regular basis; it's far less than you think it is.

Why O why, do we pretend that we can compete for the cup, and as such, lose out on acquiring assists? The Leafs have a very good team but let’s be honest, we are not ready to compete in the war that the playoffs become, to the point that we can win the cup. Last year we should have acquired assets and traded Bozak, JVR, and Leo. This year Gardiner should be used to acquire assets at the deadline. Then we bring up some Marlie D and give them some play time. With those assets from what should have happened last year and this year, we would be in a much better position to make a serious run. The window for winning the cup is short and u need to go all in for a particular year or two. All the Leafs are doing is setting themselves up to be competitive for 4 to 6 years, but never really a serious contender.
- Bullot

You made a good point but then blew it out the window.

To compete for the cup a team requires experience and players to... compete
You don't watch your team grind through 6 months, play hard, make the playoffs then trade useful or important players that helped you get there or that can help you in the playoffs which is... experience.

You people that are obsessed with moving players off a playoff team for 2nd round draft picks are complete (frank)ing insane.

I subscribe to the Athletic and read every game's report, where they diligently take notes so if I miss something, I'm sure they will have caught it. Same with MLHS: they do a Game Review after every game.

In no way shape or form is Gardiner making "boneheaded" plays on a regular basis; it's far less than you think it is.
- gravyface

Past two games, two big bonehead plays of his cost the leafs a goal each time.

I subscribe to the Athletic and read every game's report, where they diligently take notes so if I miss something, I'm sure they will have caught it. Same with MLHS: they do a Game Review after every game.

In no way shape or form is Gardiner making "boneheaded" plays on a regular basis; it's far less than you think it is.
- gravyface

I think it's just that when he does make a boneheaded play it usually ends up very badly.

5v5

Slavin TOI avg 17:17
de Haan 16:45
Faulk 16:15
Hamilton 16:10
Pesce 15:34

Faulk gets most pp mins with Hamilton and Slavin next 2

Some how Hamilton has the most shots on net for the whole team fw's and D

Doesn't seem like TO is interested, so maybe they know something too.
- Garnie

Hamilton is damaged goods. His on-ice skills are there, but his off-ice performance has always been criticized. He seems to be cancer in the locker room, which would explain why he's been traded so many times. No thanks.

That's what Kypreos said then it became gospel. I haven't got back into my working regimen yet since Christmas break can't imagine being off since May last year or whenever it was.
- Drapz

He was training apparently the whole time with another team.
So he got a training camp per say but the 3 or 4 preseason games. Which is why most gave him two weeks to get up to speed....ish.

Hamilton is damaged goods. His on-ice skills are there, but his off-ice performance has always been criticized. He seems to be cancer in the locker room, which would explain why he's been traded so many times. No thanks.
- TrashPanda

Meh, not much of the above has been backed up by examples. Other than he didnt want to go to one dinner.
Nowhere have i seen that hes a cancer in the locker room.
Have you got a link, are you referring to something reported?

The rumours seem to heavily push towards the Leafs interest in Pesce. Carolina has interest in Kapanen.

Pesce is probably the most likely candidate. Parayko is a silent one as well I think. Both guys with lots of term left. I’ll throw Manson in there as well.

If those two players fail they probably look at Muzzin, Faulk, Martinez, ect. Guys that have two years left which would buy them some time.

Meh, not much of the above has been backed up by examples. Other than he didnt want to go to one dinner.
Nowhere have i seen that hes a cancer in the locker room.
Have you got a link, are you referring to something reported?
- Fakepartofme

Just a feeling. He's a good defenceman, so why was he traded so much? I don't think he fits in with the culture in the locker room. It's a lot more than not wanting to go to one dinner.

Past two games, two big bonehead plays of his cost the leafs a goal each time.
- Fakepartofme

Yup, and that's not regularly, is it? Justin Holl scored two games and a row... is he the next Bobby Orr? Naw, he's sitting in the press box actually.

Small sample sets <> "regularly"

I think it's just that when he does make a boneheaded play it usually ends up very badly.
- TrashPanda

I agree, and some of his (frank) ups have been colossal too. But that fits the I'm-drunk-on-the-couch-and-barely-watching Leafs "fan" narrative right?

It's hard work analyzing players, especially on TV as you don't always see everything.

There's a reason why there are people doing this for a living calling the shots.

Just a feeling. He's a good defenceman, so why was he traded so much? I don't think he fits in with the culture in the locker room. It's a lot more than not wanting to go to one dinner.
- TrashPanda

Paul coffey was traded 7 times

that proves nothing..sometimes it happens

Paul coffey was traded 7 times

that proves nothing..sometimes it happens
- senstroll

Yeah, I think all the GMs have a pretty good idea what’s up with him. It’s up to them to evaluate if his personality fits in with a group. Us fans have no (frank)ing clue.

You made a good point but then blew it out the window.

To compete for the cup a team requires experience and players to... compete
You don't watch your team grind through 6 months, play hard, make the playoffs then trade useful or important players that helped you get there or that can help you in the playoffs which is... experience.

You people that are obsessed with moving players off a playoff team for 2nd round draft picks are complete (frank)ing insane.
- Mr_Smokey

Komarov would have gotten a second, JVR and Bozak would have gotten a lot more, which in turn you could have flipped for roster players.

Paul coffey was traded 7 times

that proves nothing..sometimes it happens
- senstroll

Coffey was traded from the Oilers as a result of a contract dispute. The next time he was traded was when he was 30. I don't ever remember reading any issues with Coffey's behaviour.

Can you name another high ceiling RHD who was traded multiple times and is persistently trade bait like Hamilton at the tender age of 25?

Paul coffey was traded 7 times

that proves nothing..sometimes it happens
- senstroll

The kids may not remember this, but up until the 1984 Canada Cup, everyone said that Coffey couldn't play defence, and they needed to make him a forward.

One dive to stop a cross-ice pass changed all that.

He was training apparently the whole time with another team.
So he got a training camp per say but the 3 or 4 preseason games. Which is why most gave him two weeks to get up to speed....ish.
- Fakepartofme

Yeah but if he did training camp and started the season with everyone else he would have gotten up to speed with everyone else.