Chiarelli and Doiron have to trade with each other. Would be epic.

I like demelo... but he's not untouchable and if that's what it takes to make EDM give up the 1st or make it a 1st in 2019 unprotected then you jump on that!

Gotta look at the long term picture for Ottawa... And, that's acquiring as many high picks (and taking D men in the draft) as possible
- riceroni

you don't trade Dzingel AND Demelo (that's a young top six forward and top 4 dman)

for a prospect that seems to be trending towards bust, and a 1st that (with the addition of those 2 players) is likely somewhere in the 20s

that deal makes ZERO sense for Ottawa

To Edmonton:
- Dzingel
- Pit 3rd 2019
- Demelo

To Ottawa:
- Poolparty
- 1st 2019 (protected)
- Spooner
- riceroni

Now this I can live with, though in fairness I'd argue the 1st should be conditional (turns unprotected if Dzingel extends).

Everything I look at basically says they are where they should be.
The 2017 Season and playoffs is the outlier here not the past 2 seasons.

That said, why wouldnt the Sens just trade Dzingle, Stone, Duchense and Ceci (Anderson also if possible) for the best prospect/draft pick return they can. All of those players are going to be on the downward side of their production when the Sens are looking to trend up again.

forget the 1st they traded its gone, nothing can be done about it.

Being a Leafs fan, I saw what you can do when you blow it up. It doesnt take long to get very good pieces back in place.

Only issue is the wrong GM is in place and the owner is a POS
- senstroll

I don't typically agree with Senstroll but he's right... The team isn't winning with it's current veterans. I'd like to keep Stone out of this group but I'm also happy to get a 1st PLUS an A level prospect. The Sens organization needs to recognize that there's a big divide between themselves and the fans. The think that they can do though is sell hope. Hope in terms of a proper rebuild that's done transparently. Acknowledge that we F'ed up by giving away our 2019 1st and move on. Build on the return for those players along with the 2020, 2021 and 2022 1sts which should all be top 5 with or without Duchene or Stone in the lineup. Who knows by then maybe the organization is under new ownership/management and has the ability to attract good UFAs and has all the kids hitting their stride at the same time.

Now this I can live with, though in fairness I'd argue the 1st should be conditional (turns unprotected if Dzingel extends).
- Wildschwein

that's a bad deal for Ottawa even if the first is completely unprotected.

you're getting a young top six winger, and young top 4 D and it costs you a mid to late 1st, what's looking like a bust prospect, and a cap dump.

Now this I can live with, though in fairness I'd argue the 1st should be conditional (turns unprotected if Dzingel extends).
- Wildschwein

Whatever... that's fine... the pick will likely be in the 18-22 range.. Sens can live with that... As I said, I like Demelo but he's far from untouchable, he was a salary/contract dump from SJ and for the most part he's fit well with Ottawa but he's a top 4 D man for maybe 2 more season and after that he's likely a 6th/7th guy. Trade at his peak value which is now.

I don't typically agree with Senstroll but he's right... The team isn't winning with it's current veterans. I'd like to keep Stone out of this group but I'm also happy to get a 1st PLUS an A level prospect. The Sens organization needs to recognize that there's a big divide between themselves and the fans. The think that they can do though is sell hope. Hope in terms of a proper rebuild that's done transparently. Acknowledge that we F'ed up by giving away our 2019 1st and move on. Build on the return for those players along with the 2020, 2021 and 2022 1sts which should all be top 5 with or without Duchene or Stone in the lineup. Who knows by then maybe the organization is under new ownership/management and has the ability to attract good UFAs and has all the kids hitting their stride at the same time.
- riceroni

obviously hold onto the good young player liks Chabot and white, the leafs Kept Kadri. Rielly and Gardiner through thier rebuilds.

i have a terrible tast in my mouth from the Leafs "retool" years of Burke/Nonis where they spun wheels and killed the team.

The tank years were much more enjoyable for me since you can see a way out of it.
Leafs were last but I was fine with it. Teams have to give fans more credit for living through a full tear down. They will stick around and come back

that's a bad deal for Ottawa even if the first is completely unprotected.

you're getting a young top six winger, and young top 4 D and it costs you a mid to late 1st, what's looking like a bust prospect, and a cap dump.
- sensarmy_11

Well to be fair, I never once said it was a good deal for the Sens.

Well to be fair, I never once said it was a good deal for the Sens.
- Wildschwein

haha, fair enough

obviously hold onto the good young player liks Chabot and white, the leafs Kept Kadri. Rielly and Gardiner through thier rebuilds.

i have a terrible tast in my mouth from the Leafs "retool" years of Burke/Nonis where they spun wheels and killed the team.

The tank years were much more enjoyable for me since you can see a way out of it.
Leafs were last but I was fine with it. Teams have to give fans more credit for living through a full tear down. They will stick around and come back
- senstroll

you still have to keep some quality vets too. you guys also kept JVR (although ended up losing him for nothing), and gardiner was pretty much a vet when you decided to rebuild.

I agree that they need to sell off a lot.....no issues with dealing Anderson, Ceci, Dzingel, Ryan (if possible), basically anyone in the bottom six.

the 2 guys that are a bit older (like 24+) that I would keep are Stone (future captain) and DeMelo (ideal partner for Chabot).

Whatever... that's fine... the pick will likely be in the 18-22 range.. Sens can live with that... As I said, I like Demelo but he's far from untouchable, he was a salary/contract dump from SJ and for the most part he's fit well with Ottawa but he's a top 4 D man for maybe 2 more season and after that he's likely a 6th/7th guy. Trade at his peak value which is now.
- riceroni

how on earth do you figure Demelo was a cap dump? the guy was a top 4 dman in SJ, he's a top pairing guy in Ottawa, and the kid only makes 900K

I'm not trying to be a Richard, but are you sure you even know who Demelo is?

how on earth do you figure Demelo was a cap dump? the guy was a top 4 dman in SJ, he's a top pairing guy in Ottawa, and the kid only makes 900K

I'm not trying to be a Richard, but are you sure you even know who Demelo is?
- sensarmy_11

They had him unprotected in the VGN draft (although lots of decent players were available also) and he was a UFA this past summer and they re-signed him after July 1st... from Wikipedia...

"After completing his second full season with San Jose in the 2017–18 campaign, DeMelo as an impending restricted free agent, was initially not tendered an qualifying offer by the Sharks on June 25, 2018.[6] Despite being exposed to free agency, DeMelo opted to re-sign with the Sharks to a two-year contract on July 7, 2018.[7]"

He wasn't a priority for the Sharks... he was filler when they signed him for the bottom pairing and was included in the Karlsson deal as a contract to move... He's played well in Ottawa don't get me wrong but he'll never be a top 2 D man and his career span will be short...

They had him unprotected in the VGN draft (although lots of decent players were available also) and he was a UFA this past summer and they re-signed him after July 1st... from Wikipedia...

"After completing his second full season with San Jose in the 2017–18 campaign, DeMelo as an impending restricted free agent, was initially not tendered an qualifying offer by the Sharks on June 25, 2018.
- riceroni[6] Despite being exposed to free agency, DeMelo opted to re-sign with the Sharks to a two-year contract on July 7, 2018.[7]"

He wasn't a priority for the Sharks... he was filler when they signed him for the bottom pairing and was included in the Karlsson deal as a contract to move... He's played well in Ottawa don't get me wrong but he'll never be a top 2 D man and his career span will be short...

he wasn't a priority because they already have burns and vlasic, and were obviously going after Karlsson.

there is a BIG difference between not being a priority and being a cap dump.

dzingel isn't a priority to re-sign, but he certainly wouldn't be a cap dump in any trade.

I guarantee you if DeMelo was offered up at the TDL, Ottawa would get a VERY good return for him.

obviously hold onto the good young player liks Chabot and white, the leafs Kept Kadri. Rielly and Gardiner through thier rebuilds.

i have a terrible tast in my mouth from the Leafs "retool" years of Burke/Nonis where they spun wheels and killed the team.

The tank years were much more enjoyable for me since you can see a way out of it.
Leafs were last but I was fine with it. Teams have to give fans more credit for living through a full tear down. They will stick around and come back
- senstroll

I mean in theory thats a great idea, except for a couple issues.

Ottawa would have to get a ton of draft picks that are high end, and you don't get a Mathews and Marner come up that often.

I mean even look an Eichel, he doesn't even compare to Matthews and Marner right now. Jack Huges might turn out to be great, but tanking doesn't guaranty you get those generational talents.

I think there are two ways to really build a contender.
#1. Tank and get very lucky on how prospects turn out - like the Pens, Leafs etc
#2. Build through vets, draft well, prospects and trades - like the Hawks, Kings, etc

Right now Ottawa has a very solid core with Duchene, Stone, Chabot, etc and we have some top notch prospects in the works.

IMO, where Ottawa has always lacked, is their GM, we have never been aggressive with signing or trades or really get anything done. We have been in a state of rebuilding since we went to the finals against the Ducks.

I mean in theory thats a great idea, except for a couple issues.

Ottawa would have to get a ton of draft picks that are high end, and you don't get a Mathews and Marner come up that often.

I mean even look an Eichel, he doesn't even compare to Matthews and Marner right now. Jack Huges might turn out to be great, but tanking doesn't guaranty you get those generational talents.

I think there are two ways to really build a contender.
#1. Tank and get very lucky on how prospects turn out - like the Pens, Leafs etc
#2. Build through vets, draft well, prospects and trades - like the Hawks, Kings, etc

Right now Ottawa has a very solid core with Duchene, Stone, Chabot, etc and we have some top notch prospects in the works.

IMO, where Ottawa has always lacked, is their GM, we have never been aggressive with signing or trades or really get anything done. We have been in a state of rebuilding since we went to the finals against the Ducks.
- Maverick1818

thats true, you have to have luck along the way. But you can do things to help put you in a much better position. The Leafs got Matthews yes, but they had the best odds to get him.

Its a good time to go all in for Lafrenière. He looks like another player around that level.

you just have to be awful so you are guaranteed to be in the lottery, thats the only way.

no guarantees, but imo going the full tank route has a higher chances of coming out a contender than the half assed retool method...unless you have a GM who is miles ahead of the curve and can build a team properly (not PD)

thats true, you have to have luck along the way. But you can do things to help put you in a much better position. The Leafs got Matthews yes, but they had the best odds to get him.

Its a good time to go all in for Lafrenière. He looks like another player around that level.

you just have to be awful so you are guaranteed to be in the lottery, thats the only way.

no guarantees, but imo going the full tank route has a higher chances of coming out a contender than the half assed retool method...unless you have a GM who is miles ahead of the curve and can build a team properly (not PD)
- senstroll

that's a big reason why I'm not so bummed about not having a 1st this year.

is Hughes going to be good....sure....but he's not being touted as a generational type player. I see him as being much more of a Hischier/Nolan Patrick type player than in the Matthews/McKinnon territory (McDavid is just a freak and has a category all his own)......I think Lafreniere is likely to be in the Matthews/MacKinnon territory, that kid looks dynamite.

I'm stoked with Tkachuk (he's a rare type of player) and if we add lafreniere.....then who gives a (frank) about Hughes.

obviously hold onto the good young player liks Chabot and white, the leafs Kept Kadri. Rielly and Gardiner through thier rebuilds.

i have a terrible tast in my mouth from the Leafs "retool" years of Burke/Nonis where they spun wheels and killed the team.

The tank years were much more enjoyable for me since you can see a way out of it.
Leafs were last but I was fine with it. Teams have to give fans more credit for living through a full tear down. They will stick around and come back
- senstroll

Yes, I think this wise advice. You can go all in and try to win. Or, you can go all in and try to rebuild. Hard to do both at the same time.

that's a big reason why I'm not so bummed about not having a 1st this year.

is Hughes going to be good....sure....but he's not being touted as a generational type player. I see him as being much more of a Hischier/Nolan Patrick type player than in the Matthews/McKinnon territory (McDavid is just a freak and has a category all his own)......I think Lafreniere is likely to be in the Matthews/MacKinnon territory, that kid looks dynamite.

I'm stoked with Tkachuk (he's a rare type of player) and if we add lafreniere.....then who gives a (frank) about Hughes.
- sensarmy_11

I agree, but having them and keeping Duchene, Stone etc as well. our team would be sick.

I'm really excited for Gus, I think he's going to be an awesome goalie. But I worry about our D.

Chabot is great and Demelo is showing some chemistry with him. But other than that, Ceci... It's time to trade and see what we can get. Harpur is amazing when he's pissed off... So we just need to piss him off all the time lol.

that's a big reason why I'm not so bummed about not having a 1st this year.

is Hughes going to be good....sure....but he's not being touted as a generational type player. I see him as being much more of a Hischier/Nolan Patrick type player than in the Matthews/McKinnon territory (McDavid is just a freak and has a category all his own)......I think Lafreniere is likely to be in the Matthews/MacKinnon territory, that kid looks dynamite.

I'm stoked with Tkachuk (he's a rare type of player) and if we add lafreniere.....then who gives a (frank) about Hughes.
- sensarmy_11

I forget who it was but I saw someone ask one of the Prospect peeps (maybe Pronman) how this draft top 2 Hughes/Kako compares to MAtthews/Laine and he said they are not in that category. So you are probably right

sure, and Ottawa got 2 good roster players, 2 really good prospects, and 1 potentially 2 1st rd picks for him. I also saw Taylor Hall win the Hart Trophy and you got an average 2nd pairing dman for him.

as for the Duchene deal, Ottawa got the best player in the deal.........and if he doesn't want to re-sign, they get whatever assets they trade him for. the ONLY way that's less of a disaster than basically every move Chiarelli has made is if Duchene walks for nothing.
- sensarmy_11

sure, and Ottawa got 2 good roster players, 2 really good prospects, and 1 potentially 2 1st rd picks for him. I also saw Taylor Hall win the Hart Trophy and you got an average 2nd pairing dman for him.

as for the Duchene deal, Ottawa got the best player in the deal.........and if he doesn't want to re-sign, they get whatever assets they trade him for. the ONLY way that's less of a disaster than basically every move Chiarelli has made is if Duchene walks for nothing.
- sensarmy_11

Duchene plus possibly hughes makes u sleep at night and your gm should have known last was a possibility this year. Duchesne we all know is gone so there is that. The prospects you got r just filler mostly ahl guys. Hall for larsson well anyone who knows hockey knows top pairing dmen like larsson are not had for a winger. Hall always puts up points but his teams never win. Guess it depends on how low u set the bar for success.

Duchene plus possibly hughes makes u sleep at night and your gm should have known last was a possibility this year. Duchesne we all know is gone so there is that. The prospects you got r just filler mostly ahl guys. Hall for larsson well anyone who knows hockey knows top pairing dmen like larsson are not had for a winger. Hall always puts up points but his teams never win. Guess it depends on how low u set the bar for success.
- oil90

On what planet is Larson a top pairing dman. Haha haha

He’s not even top pairing in your team, both klefbom and nurse play more minutes per game. Lmao

Suck it Coga! You fat (frank)

I forget who it was but I saw someone ask one of the Prospect peeps (maybe Pronman) how this draft top 2 Hughes/Kako compares to MAtthews/Laine and he said they are not in that category. So you are probably right
- senstroll

I heard Patrick Kane comparisons to Hughes.

I heard Patrick Kane comparisons to Hughes.
- david22

Hughes is a bust, it's been too long since a 1st overall has busted. It's due.

Kaako is pretty much a Zacha clone.

The real winners will be late round gems this year.