5 on 5 points this year

Oreilly - 23
Couturier - 22

This after Oreilly has the best 10 games of his career to start the year

But hey, he’s good on the PP. won’t deny that

If you are a GM and could pick

28 year old Oreilly at 7.5 mil
25 year old RNH at 6 mil
26 year old Coots at 4.3 mil


It’s not even remotely a debate
- sbroads24

And Philadelphia is 100% NOT trading him precisely because of that contract

It's not even an option

As he should considering he’s almost double the price
- sbroads24

It's hilarious how often you change the parameters on this. One minute he's a Selke finalist, and then next it's fine that he's not as good as ROR because he makes less.

It's hilarious how often you change the parameters on this. One minute he's a Selke finalist, and then next it's fine that he's not as good as ROR because he makes less.
- jcragcrumple

Oh I’m not wavering that Coots is better.

He is

And Philadelphia is 100% NOT trading him precisely because of that contract

It's not even an option
- BeadyEyedDouche

Tell that to the other dude in this room

Tell that to the other dude in this room
- sbroads24

He's been told numerous times, not my problem if he still thinks unicorns are real

He's been told numerous times, not my problem if he still thinks unicorns are real
- BeadyEyedDouche

Narwhals are pretty close, and everything is for sale for the right price.

Enjoy your evening, gents. Broads, I always love debating with you

Narwhals are pretty close, and everything is for sale for the right price.

Enjoy your evening, gents. Broads, I always love debating with you
- jcragcrumple

TIL: Narwhals and ungulates are "pretty close" to each other.

If Philadelphia is rebuilding, Couturier is a part of the team going forward no matter how you spin it. Simmonds is gone as a rental, JVR is gone if they have any chance of moving him, Giroux and Vorachek absolutely have to be unloaded if they plan on a rebuild of any kind.

If they aren't rebuilding, there is no reason to move on of the better contracts they signed a player to in the last several years.

We have nothing to offer them, IMO, unless it's Ristolainen for Couturier straight up, and I'm not sure I would do that, let alone Philly.

Sabres need a 2c, shocking news I know.

While I want JBotts to "stay the course" and not sell the house, car, cottage and boat to get a single player, he does need to make this a focus before the start of next season.
Tampa and Toronto have 1A and 1B centers , Buffalo needs to invest to offset that key strengtb, IMO. Mittsy might get there eventually, but he needs sheltering for a year or two while he matures and developes his NHL game.

I'd say that is their biggest need, someone who can drive play and make those on his line produce better....maybe that way the team can get some production and therefore derive some value from Okposso who is likely here for a long time. It also serves to push Mittsy down a line where the pressure is less, allowi g him to develop...maybe find that chemistry with Tage or CJ or Nylander or, or, or.

Ok, time to reload that Dirty Martini with Green Olives!

TIL: Narwhals and ungulates are "pretty close" to each other.

If Philadelphia is rebuilding, Couturier is a part of the team going forward no matter how you spin it. Simmonds is gone as a rental, JVR is gone if they have any chance of moving him, Giroux and Vorachek absolutely have to be unloaded if they plan on a rebuild of any kind.

If they aren't rebuilding, there is no reason to move on of the better contracts they signed a player to in the last several years.

We have nothing to offer them, IMO, unless it's Ristolainen for Couturier straight up, and I'm not sure I would do that, let alone Philly.
- BeadyEyedDouche

Crypto-ungulates

No offense dude, but you literally did a 180 to arguing against Couturier and calling him a one year wonder basically, the second 365 said he was the better player.

There’s no reasoning after that.
- sbroads24

I suggested the couturier trade a month or so ago.

He would definitely fit what we are looking for .

2c under reasonable contract.

Not sure if they would trade him though

Crypto-ungulates
- jcragcrumple

I suggested the couturier trade a month or so ago.

He would definitely fit what we are looking for .

2c under reasonable contract.

Not sure if they would trade him though
- Boss34

I’d love it too. But if they were to consider trading him, it’s a hockey trade, and one that’s probably a lateral move for us.

I’d love it too. But if they were to consider trading him, it’s a hockey trade, and one that’s probably a lateral move for us.
- sbroads24

Yeah I don't like lateral moves, I prefer horizontal ones

Finally a good playoff game...

Then you up the offer. You are also assuming it isn't the best offer or the offer can't be changed. Its a message board, why do you take the trade so literally? Ottawa will trade a UFA in the division if it is the best offer. I have seen what people are saying Duchene is worth and what I offered is very similar to the best but of course it is up to Ottawa not me.

Its like you want misery so you look for reasons to fail.
- sabresfan69

The Sens refused to trade Hoffman within the division, traded him for less to San Jose. I think it's safe to say they wouldn't want to trade Duchene within the division unless it was for a massive overpayment. Why would you overpay? You overpay for 1C and top pair D, maybe a top shelf scoring winger like Panarin. Other than that no.

I’d love it too. But if they were to consider trading him, it’s a hockey trade, and one that’s probably a lateral move for us.
- sbroads24

I agree with the "why would phili trade cout"

These 1st round picks are probably more important to phili then us. Total rebuilding may be on their horizon.

I wonder what real value guhle and nylander have?
To lesser degree
Cj smith
Oloffson
Malone
Asplund

We have assets...

Or maybe I'm being a homer????

You - Other teams aren't making moves so Botts gets a pass? lol. Sad.

You base whether or not Botts is doing a good job or gets to keep his job based on the other 2/3s of the league?
- sabresfan69

What makes you think Botts isn't burning up the phone lines trying to make a deal? With all due respect to 89's source(I don't know who Homie's is), but I do know 89's, and he almost certainly hears things second hand, and while it's solid info, he probably doesn't hear the ins and outs of what's going on in the front office.

I agree with the "why would phili trade cout"

These 1st round picks are probably more important to phili then us. Total rebuilding may be on their horizon.

I wonder what real value guhle and nylander have?
To lesser degree
Cj smith
Oloffson
Malone
Asplund

We have assets...

Or maybe I'm being a homer????
- Boss34

Bottcoin got Skinner for Pu, so yes those are assets

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Police were called to the business about 2:15 a.m. for a report of a robbery and while en route, officers were notified that the suspect had ran from the store and was heading south on S. Transit Street.

An employee told officers that he and another man were working in the store when the suspect came in dressed all in black with a black mask over his face and windbreaker hood pulled low over his forehead. The employees also noted that the man wasn’t wearing any shoes.
- jcragcrumple

Goddamn, it was (frank)ing cold last night/this morning.

I agree with the "why would phili trade cout"

These 1st round picks are probably more important to phili then us. Total rebuilding may be on their horizon.

I wonder what real value guhle and nylander have?
To lesser degree
Cj smith
Oloffson
Malone
Asplund

We have assets...

Or maybe I'm being a homer????
- Boss34

Philly may have the best prospect pool in the NHL. Why is anyone talking about a total rebuild?

Goddamn, it was (frank)ing cold last night/this morning.
- Wetbandit1

There’s no reason they can’t try and do both.

A solid 2nd-3rd line tweener could be (theoretically) had for something other than a 1st rounder, which could help the playoff push, plus not give up one of our firsts.

Minnesota could use a D man.

One of our million LD + a decent asset could net us Coyle possibly.

Anaheim is looking to deal a forward.

They could add a guy who could make us marginally better to push for the playoffs
- sbroads24

I would do a 1st for Rakell straight up. Exactly the player the Sabres need. He's like Evander Kane, but better and not a douchebag, and has a good shooting percentage.

He's having a down year. I wonder why? He's been money EV goal scoring the last 3 years. 16, 28, 26. A bit of a gamble maybe, but he's only 25, and the Ducks are behind last year's pace.

Crosby, Malkin. Staal (for the first cup), Fluery (first cup and assisted in the other two). Without those guys you don’t win cups.

Washington had Ovi, Backstrom, Vrana, Wilson, Kuznetsov (would have been a top 10 pick if it wasn’t for Russian factor) and Carlson.

LA drafted Doughty 2nd overall, Anne Kopitar was a 11th overall pick. Dustin brown was top 12. Brayden Schenn was picked 5th overall and was the key piece in the trade to bring in Mike Richards. To acquire Jeff Carter the kings used a first round pick and former 3rd overall pick Jack Johnson who as acquired by LA a couple years earlier as he didn’t want to sign in Carolina. Kings don’t make those trades without those highly drafted players.

I see a recurring theme here. I see a recurring theme also with the so called cup contenders Nashville, Tampa, Winnipeg, Toronto.

Draft top 15, develop prospects, hit on a few picks outside of the first round, make a trade for the final piece, plug the holes in the roster in free agency if you have to.
- Pegullaville

Easy, do better and draft a poop ton of Russians.

BOOM.

Alright so in order of bolded

1.I carried the conversation by offering an opinion, the foundation of basically any message board. Everything you said up until this was good, you undid yourself there.

2. Will they? Is there a history of teams trading within the division because they got the best value? Especially for high end players? Historically it's been the opposite. Not saying this is a good idea, just that in practice they opt not to

3. I happen to be happy with where the team is at, you're not. The sabres making or not making moves will not be my failure.
- Sabresfan-365

Don't forget we know that this management in Ottawa traded a good player for less than they could've got from a divisional opponent so that he was out of the division.