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Forums :: Blog World :: Michael Pachla: Life without Jack Eichel, for at least two games. Curse or blessing?
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Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Toronto
Joined: 03.16.2011

Jan 3 @ 10:01 PM ET
So, which of you twats were relentlessly posting about how skinner wouldnt be half the player he is without eichel? Time to step up and admit you're a twat.
- seedy


You're going to base your assumption off one game and Luongo gifting him a game winner ? I'm a huge Skinner fan but when a guy goes from historically putting up 1.1 points per 60 minutes in his career to 1.9 points per 60 minutes thats pretty crazy. His career high was 37 goals, he's always been a great goal scorer but the guy his gonna hit 45 this year with ease. The only difference between E.Kane and Skinner (who had nearly identical offensive PPG numbers prior to this year) is that one meshed with Eichel and the other one didn't.
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jan 3 @ 10:01 PM ET
L pilut 1 assist +3

The future is bright.

- Boss34



POTD
Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Toronto
Joined: 03.16.2011

Jan 3 @ 10:03 PM ET
"Skinner can't score without Eichel"
- BeadyEyedDouche


Skinner can score 25-30 without Eichel, can score 45-55 with him. There is a difference. Nobody said the guy was useless.
ieetbred
Buffalo Sabres
Location: NY
Joined: 06.30.2011

Jan 3 @ 10:03 PM ET
Paul hamilton is such a gurgling idiot

On the flip side i want to see ullmark start getting more time
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Jan 3 @ 10:04 PM ET
You're going to base your assumption off one game and Luongo gifting him a game winner ? I'm a huge Skinner fan but when a guy goes from historically putting up 1.1 points per 60 minutes in his career to 1.9 points per 60 minutes thats pretty crazy. His career high was 37 goals, he's always been a great goal scorer but the guy his gonna hit 45 this year with ease. The only difference between E.Kane and Skinner (who had nearly identical offensive PPG numbers prior to this year) is that one meshed with Eichel and the other one didn't.
- Pegullaville

Nah. Skinner is much better. Kane is a good player. Skinner is a top 5 LW.

Hot take- I'd take Skinner over Laine
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Hail Satan
Joined: 10.07.2010

Jan 3 @ 10:04 PM ET
Skinner can score 25-30 without Eichel, can score 45-55 with him. There is a difference. Nobody said the guy was useless.
- Pegullaville


A couple said he couldn't even after I said he was a 30 goal guy without talent.
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Hail Satan
Joined: 10.07.2010

Jan 3 @ 10:05 PM ET
Nah. Skinner is much better. Kane is a good player. Skinner is a top 5 LW.

Drunk take- I'd take Skinner over Laine

- sbroads24



FIFY.
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jan 3 @ 10:05 PM ET
I'm an erod fan.

Need more though.

2 goals in the first half of the season.....

- Boss34


Reasonable post
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Jan 3 @ 10:06 PM ET
You're going to base your assumption off one game and Luongo gifting him a game winner ? I'm a huge Skinner fan but when a guy goes from historically putting up 1.1 points per 60 minutes in his career to 1.9 points per 60 minutes thats pretty crazy. His career high was 37 goals, he's always been a great goal scorer but the guy his gonna hit 45 this year with ease. The only difference between E.Kane and Skinner (who had nearly identical offensive PPG numbers prior to this year) is that one meshed with Eichel and the other one didn't.
- Pegullaville



Did you not see the first goal?

Skinner for the last 3 years I believe is in the top 5 for goals 5 on 5

Evander Kane is not.
Der Kaiser
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I Know Nothink ... NOTHINK!
Joined: 07.27.2007

Jan 3 @ 10:07 PM ET
Paul hamilton is such a gurgling idiot

On the flip side i want to see ullmark start getting more time

- ieetbred


I’m willing to experiment with this but both Ullmark and Hutton have looked very mortal lately.
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jan 3 @ 10:08 PM ET
When Eichel gets back:

Sheary-Eichel-Thompson
Skinner-Erod-Reinhart
Smith-Mitts-Okposo
joevthree
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Buffalo, NY
Joined: 02.27.2011

Jan 3 @ 10:08 PM ET
Did you not see the first goal?

Skinner for the last 3 years I believe is in the top 5 for goals 5 on 5

Evander Kane is not.

- Stripes77


Kane cleans up around the crease/garbage goals.

Skinner is a flat out finisher from anywhere around 20 feet and in
Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Toronto
Joined: 03.16.2011

Jan 3 @ 10:12 PM ET
Nah. Skinner is much better. Kane is a good player. Skinner is a top 5 LW.

Hot take- I'd take Skinner over Laine

- sbroads24


They had almost identical advanced statistics prior to this season. Even Ryan Stinson wrote in an article in the athletic this morning if you don't believe me. Goals have always been there for Skinner but the assist totals are lacking. Skinner is also shooting at 23.4% before tonight and he has never done that before, I'd attribute some of that to Eichel and Reinhart's playmaking ability.

Skinner is an elite finisher no doubt. I think only Ovi, Matthews and McDavid are better goal scorers in the league.
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Jan 3 @ 10:12 PM ET
FIFY.
- Wetbandit1



😀
ieetbred
Buffalo Sabres
Location: NY
Joined: 06.30.2011

Jan 3 @ 10:14 PM ET
I’m willing to experiment with this but both Ullmark and Hutton have looked very mortal lately.
- Der Kaiser


Hutton for sure, ullmark had a rough stretch the first half of december but has bounced back the last 3 games.

The teams point percentage is staggering with him in net
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Jan 3 @ 10:14 PM ET
They had almost identical advanced statistics prior to this season. Even Ryan Stinson wrote in an article in the athletic this morning if you don't believe me. Goals have always been there for Skinner but the assist totals are lacking. Skinner is also shooting at 23.4% before tonight and he has never done that before, I'd attribute some of that to Eichel and Reinhart's playmaking ability.

Skinner is an elite finisher no doubt. I think only Ovi, Matthews and McDavid are better goal scorers in the league.

- Pegullaville

No doubt, it won't stay that high.

But Kane used to just shoot from everywhere, and was a north/south player. Skinner is a north/south and can play cycle, and can fore check.

His passing leaves a lot to be desired, but Kane is statistically one of the worst passing top 6 FWD's in the league
Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Toronto
Joined: 03.16.2011

Jan 3 @ 10:15 PM ET
Did you not see the first goal?

Skinner for the last 3 years I believe is in the top 5 for goals 5 on 5

Evander Kane is not.

- Stripes77


So I guess we are going back to the whole "assists don't matter" faze. I stated a fact, never said E.Kane was as good as Skinner but math doesn't lie. Prior to this year Skinner was ahead of E.Kane but not by much points wise. He is an elite finisher though, never disagreed with you on that.
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Jan 3 @ 10:15 PM ET
They had almost identical advanced statistics prior to this season. Even Ryan Stinson wrote in an article in the athletic this morning if you don't believe me. Goals have always been there for Skinner but the assist totals are lacking. Skinner is also shooting at 23.4% before tonight and he has never done that before, I'd attribute some of that to Eichel and Reinhart's playmaking ability.

Skinner is an elite finisher no doubt. I think only Ovi, Matthews and McDavid are better goal scorers in the league.

- Pegullaville



I think you have everything covered.
If skinner plays good or bad, with or without eichel
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Jan 3 @ 10:15 PM ET
They had almost identical advanced statistics prior to this season. Even Ryan Stinson wrote in an article in the athletic this morning if you don't believe me. Goals have always been there for Skinner but the assist totals are lacking. Skinner is also shooting at 23.4% before tonight and he has never done that before, I'd attribute some of that to Eichel and Reinhart's playmaking ability.

Skinner is an elite finisher no doubt. I think only Ovi, Matthews and McDavid are better goal scorers in the league.

- Pegullaville


A lot of the advanced stats are based on shot attempts instead of where the shot attempts are for.

Evander Kane would shoot from anywhere on the ice and while it looks like in analytical minds that he’s creating chances in actuality his high danger chances are awful.

Again advanced stats doesn’t tell the entire story.

Evander Kane has never been an elite finisher, he’s not even a good passer.

Skinner is an elite scorer and he’s not the best passer either.

Evander Kane racked up his points on the PP

Skinner scored a lot 5 on 5.
jochfr
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Nashville , TN
Joined: 07.11.2009

Jan 3 @ 10:16 PM ET
When Eichel gets back:

Sheary-Eichel-Thompson
Skinner-Erod-Reinhart
Smith-Mitts-Okposo

- jcragcrumple

Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Jan 3 @ 10:16 PM ET
No doubt, it won't stay that high.

But Kane used to just shoot from everywhere, and was a north/south player. Skinner is a north/south and can play cycle, and can fore check.

His passing leaves a lot to be desired, but Kane is statistically one of the worst passing top 6 FWD's in the league

- sbroads24



Exactly.

You beat me to it by a minute!
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Jan 3 @ 10:17 PM ET
A lot of the advanced stats are based on shot attempts instead of where the shot attempts are for.

Evander Kane would shoot from anywhere on the ice and while it looks like in analytical minds that he’s creating chances in actuality his high danger chances are awful.

Again advanced stats doesn’t tell the entire story.

Evander Kane has never been an elite finisher, he’s not even a good passer.

Skinner is an elite scorer and he’s not the best passer either.

Evander Kane racked up his points on the PP

Skinner scored a lot 5 on 5.

- Stripes77




Skinner draws penalties
Kane takes penalties
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jan 3 @ 10:20 PM ET

- jochfr


I'm...

Not smart.

You'll have to be more literal
Der Kaiser
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I Know Nothink ... NOTHINK!
Joined: 07.27.2007

Jan 3 @ 10:20 PM ET
Hutton for sure, ullmark had a rough stretch the first half of december but has bounced back the last 3 games.

The teams point percentage is staggering with him in net

- ieetbred


Ullmark wasn’t all that incredible tonight.

I’ll grant you he wins, and he has had more wins that looked great, but I wonder if that comes from facing lesser opponents.

As I said both goalies have shown flashes of brilliance and both have looked pedestrian
Mentalorgasm5
Buffalo Sabres
Location: "F-" Robert, NY
Joined: 06.29.2007

Jan 3 @ 10:25 PM ET
Skunk stinks
- homiedclown

He is probably the worse 20 goal scorer pacing for 80 point player I've ever seen.....
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